[Chongo]

No dancing. Almost all men ordained to the Permanant Diaconate in the Latin Rite AKA the Roman Catholic Church are married. Very few are single and those are widowed. I attended the ordination of a married former Episcopal Priest who is now the Parochial Vicar of my Parish. (Saint Thomas The Apostle Roman Catholic Parish - Phoenix, AZ) Father Vietor has four daughters and one son. Father Lorig (Saint Maria Goretti - Praying, Serving and Giving is also another married Priest in the Diocese of Phoenix. Father Lorig was also an Episcopalian.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

They aren't Roman Catholic priests.

[Chongo]

The Pope says otherwise.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

The Pope says otherwise.

Awesome! So Roman Catholic priests can get married now, and married men can become priests in the Roman church? That's fantastic, it's about time they ditched that ignorant celibacy garbage. I wonder why I never heard about that in the news? I'll have to call the local vicar and find out the details tomorrow, I know of several ladies I can set him up with.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

Awesome! So Roman Catholic priests can get married now, and married men can become priests in the Roman church? That's fantastic, it's about time they ditched that ignorant celibacy garbage. I wonder why I never heard about that in the news? I'll have to call the local vicar and find out the details tomorrow, I know of several ladies I can set him up with.

No. The Latin Rite still requires those who are baptized into the Latin Rite to be single in order to be ordainded Priests. Married men can be ordained to the Permanant Diaconate. The Latin Rite has provisions for former Episcopal clergy who are married to be ordianed after applying under provisions put in place by Saint John Paul II and Pope Benidict XVI.
Married Priests and Deacons who's wife dies, and unmarried Priests and Permanant Deacons can not marry
Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum coetibus providing for Personal Ordinariates for Anglicans Entering into Full Communion with the Catholic Church

The Pastoral Provision | Anglicans Becoming Catholic | Former Anglicans | Anglican Provision - Established in 1980 by Saint Pope John Paul II.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

No. The Latin Rite still requires those who are baptized into the Latin Rite to be single in order to be ordainded Priests.

Oh well, that's a bummer. But then my point stands; they can't get married, they can't have sex, thus talking with them about sex makes very little, if any, sense.

[subego]

Maybe priests should watch people have sex.

Like, a whole lot.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

Oh well, that's a bummer. But then my point stands; they can't get married, they can't have sex, thus talking with them about sex makes very little, if any, sense.

Ah, but almost all Permanant Deacons are married.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by subego 

Maybe priests should watch people have sex.

Like, a whole lot.

They probably do. (pornhub, redtube, Brazzers, etc.)

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Ah, but almost all Permanant Deacons are married.

But, they aren't priests, and that was my point.

[andi*pandi]

Originally Posted by subego 

I bought my ex, who's a drunk, a wine refrigerator which had a Sabbath mode. I found that funny.

Though I guess nothing says you can't get hammered on the Sabbath.

I don't think you could PAY me to drink that much Manechevitz.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by subego 

Maybe priests should watch people have sex.

Like, a whole lot.

Being a virgin in not a requirement for Ordination. nor is it is a reqirement to enter consecrated life. Some men are ordianed after the wife dies. We have a seminarian from our Parish who is OH MY G**, divorced!! He did have to wait until after his child turned 18.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Might as well drink MD 20/20.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

But, they aren't priests, and that was my point.

Deacons (permanant and transitional) are Ordained Ministers of the Church.
What Can (and Can’t) a Deacon Do? | Canon Law Made Easy

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Deacons (permanant and transitional) are Ordained Ministers of the Church.
What Can (and Can’t) a Deacon Do? | Canon Law Made Easy

They can't hear confessions, which is where talk about sex would most likely come up, so again, it brings up the whole point of celibate people not being the most qualified individuals to talk with about sex. (Duh?)

[Chongo]

Like I said, there are Latin Rite Priests who are and were married.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

So what? They aren't the people I'm talking about.

[Chongo]

Coming soon
Humanum-home

The Complementarity of Man and Woman: An International Colloquium is a gathering of leaders and scholars from many religions across the globe, to examine and propose anew the beauty of the relationship between the man and the woman, in order to support and reinvigorate marriage and family life for the flourishing of human society.

Witnesses will draw from
 the wisdom of their religious tradition and cultural experience as they attest to the power and vitality of the complementary union of man and woman. It is hoped that the colloquium be a catalyst for creative language and projects, as well as for global solidarity, in the work
 of strengthening the nuptial relationship, both for the good of the spouses themselves and for the good of all who depend upon them.

The Colloquium is sponsored by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith and co-sponsored by the Pontifical Council for the Family, the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, and
 the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian Unity.

[subego]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

Being a virgin in not a requirement for Ordination. nor is it is a reqirement to enter consecrated life. Some men are ordianed after the wife dies. We have a seminarian from our Parish who is OH MY G**, divorced!! He did have to wait until after his child turned 18.

It has to be more than just divorced, right?

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by subego 

It has to be more than just divorced, right?

I'm not sure. I don't remember if he said he received an annulment. It makes sense that a decree of nullity would also be needed. I'll ask after this Sunday's Mass. There are many men who become Priests after becoming widowers.

[subego]

No need to pry. I just know that my dad is still married to my mom in the eyes of the lord, which means my mom is living in sin with her legal husband, God considers my half-brother a bastard, etc.

[The Final Dakar]

Pope Francis Demotes Cardinal Raymond Burke

Pope Francis has demoted a conservative American cardinal who has criticized his leadership of the Catholic Church.

The pontiff removed Cardinal Raymond Burke as the leader of the Vatican’s highest court and appointed him to a ceremonial position as chaplain of the Knights of Malta, a charity group, according to a press bulletin issued Saturday.

That is a significant demotion, according to the National Catholic Reporter. “The position of Patron of the the Order of Malta is usually given to a retired cardinal, or as a second task to an active cardinal,” Michael Sean Winters writes. “It has almost no responsibilities.”

The move was not a surprise, as Burke, the Vatican’s highest ranking American, had said last month that he was going to have a new post.

The outspoken, conservative bishop — who pushed for the Vatican to revise and water-down its recent, tentative step toward greater acceptance of LGBT people — has butted heads with the pope since the Argentine was elected last year. Last month, he compared Pope Francis’ leadership to “a ship without a rudder” during an interview with a Spanish magazine.

Aw yeah

[Cap'n Tightpants]

You don't butt heads with the ram with the largest rack, you will lose.

[subego]

Since everyone is saying Pope Francis isn't saying anything different than the previous Popes, does that mean this Burke guy is more hardcore than the Vatican?

Is that what the problem is between the American dioceses and Rome? Rome isn't ****ing hardass enough?

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by subego 

Since everyone is saying Pope Francis isn't saying anything different than the previous Popes, does that mean this Burke guy is more hardcore than the Vatican?

Is that what the problem is between the American dioceses and Rome? Rome isn't ****ing hardass enough?

Doesn't that essentially sum up the difference between American Christians and European ones?

[Cap'n Tightpants]

I think demoting someone from the top 5 in the RCC to what is essentially the church pooper-scooper means he's quite a hardass.

[Waragainstsleep]

Originally Posted by subego 

Since everyone is saying Pope Francis isn't saying anything different than the previous Popes, does that mean this Burke guy is more hardcore than the Vatican?

Is that what the problem is between the American dioceses and Rome? Rome isn't ****ing hardass enough?

In terms of (lets call them) traditional values, isn't that already the usual case when you compare Western Europe and the US?

[subego]

For Catholics?

[subego]

I think for the non-religious, Catholics get lumped in with all the other sects.

Catholics are their own unique thing.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Pope Francis Demotes Cardinal Raymond Burke

Aw yeah

A better perspective from a reputable source.

Other Church observers question that assessment, noting that Cardinal Burke has now completed the standard five-year term for leadership of the Apostolic Signatura. Whatever the reason, the transition provides an opportunity to examine Cardinal Burke’s legacy as a top canon lawyer who has held two high-profile positions in the Holy See and who, before going to Rome, served as the archbishop of St. Louis and earlier as the bishop of La Crosse, Wis.


Read more: Cardinal Burke Officially Transferred From Apostolic Signatura | Daily News | NCRegister.com

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

A better perspective from a reputable source.

Or a different perspective from a biased source.

[Chongo]

Time quoting the the Reporter NOT! The Reporter is a dissident publication.

more clarity from Catholic Culture
Pope names new ‘foreign minister,’ prefect of Apostolic Signatura; Cardinal Burke given new position : News Headlines - Catholic Culture

Archbishop Mamberti replaces Cardinal Raymond Burke, who has served as prefect since 2008. No prelate has served in the position for longer than six years since Cardinal Dino Staffa, who was prefect from 1967 to 1977.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

He was sent to the ecclesiastical equivalent of Siberia, only worse than actual Siberia.

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

He was sent to the ecclesiastical equivalent of Siberia, only worse than actual Siberia.

The post is in Rome

His position as patron of the Knights of Malta is Rome-based and mostly ceremonial. He is nevertheless likely to continue and perhaps even step up his defense of the Church’s teaching in the face of continued efforts to radically alter pastoral practice in the run-up to next year’s second synod on the family.
Archbishop Mamberti will be replaced by Archbishop Paul Gallagher, a native of Liverpool, England, who is currently the apostolic nuncio to Australia. Gallagher notably succeeded Archbishop Michael Courtney as apostolic nuncio to Burundi after Courtney was murdered in the country in December 2003.


Read more: Cardinal Burke to Malta, Mamberti to Apostolic Signatura |Blogs | NCRegister.com

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

The post is in Rome

Obviously I wasn't talking about the physical location, just how terrible the job is.

[Chongo]

More free time for the Cardinal.

[Cap'n Tightpants]

[The Final Dakar]

[Chongo]

Not even close.
Speaking of Baghdad.
The World's Most Persecuted Minority: Christians - YouTube

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

The World's Most Persecuted Minority: Christians - YouTube

Christians in a nutshell. Largest religious population, persecution complex.

[Chongo]

More from "Bob"

Cardinal Burke
Cardinal Raymond Leo Burke, 66, has been made the patron of the Order of Malta, an honorific charge which is usually assigned to cardinals who are at the end of their ecclesiastical career.
Over the course of the first year-and-a-half of this pontificate, Cardinal Burke has voiced his concern with some of the choices being made in Church governance. Nevertheless, as an active cardinal living in Rome, his capacity to communicate his opinions will remain the same if not greater — since no significant office will be attached to him.
Right after the conclusion of October’s Synod of Bishops, he granted an interview to the Spanish Catholic weekly Vida Nueva, reportedly saying that during the synod “many have expressed their concerns to me. At this very critical moment, there is a strong sense that the Church is like a ship without a rudder.”
Cardinal Burke responded that Vida Nueva, a left-of-center media outlet, had “gravely distorted” his statements.
His appointment to the Order of Malta is not a surprise. The cardinal himself publicly stated he had been informed of it. His appointment to the Order of Malta is the latest in a gradual distancing from the life of the curia.
Pope Francis is looking for a softer approach to applying Church law from the Apostolic Signatura, and he thinks he’s found that in Archbishop Mamberti.
Another round of appointments are expected soon in the Vatican, all intended to reshape the Church’s “top management” to fit with Pope Francis’ vision for a mission to the world with more emphasis on attraction to the Gospel.


Read more: Latest Vatican Reshuffle Reinforces the ‘Francis Effect’ | Daily News | NCRegister.com

[Chongo]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Christians in a nutshell. Largest religious population, persecution complex.

You don't belive the Chaldean, Maronite and Syriac Catholics in the ME are being persecuted?

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

You don't belive the Chaldean, Maronite and Syriac Catholics in the ME are being persecuted?

I don't believe they're the world's most persecuted "minority". The mid-east being hostile to christians goes without saying.

[Chongo]

They are a minority in the Middle East.

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Chongo 

They are a minority in the Middle East.

Semantic gymnastics.

[Chongo]

How so?

[Cap'n Tightpants]

Originally Posted by The Final Dakar 

Semantic gymnastics.

Umm, no, not really. Most western Christians don't even realize that Orthodox churches in those countries even exist, they just think of everyone over there as "Muslims". When in reality, they're considerably older than the Islamic factions who enjoy killing them off for sport. To the Western world, they might as well be another religion entirely, despite the obvious doctrinal similarities. The really are on islands, on their own, surrounded by enemies.

[The Final Dakar]

Semantic gymnastics to justify the title "World's most persecuted minority."

[Cap'n Tightpants]

I would revise that to say, "Christians in the M.E. are the world's most persecuted minority".

[The Final Dakar]

Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants 

I would revise that to say, "Christians in the M.E. are the world's most persecuted minority".

Are Muslims in the M.E. the world's most persecuted majority?

[Chongo]

Now who's sounding like Baghdad Bob.

How many Muslims have been beheaded or crucufied in the last month?