[keekeeree]

Just got back from seeing it, and I must say it was a great flick. All-in-all though, I think I prefer The Matrix.

My bitches about the movie? First one is that the big fight scene between Neo and that herd of Smiths was kinda lame. The action and choreography was great, but the animation sucked! When I saw the scene in the previews I thought the same thing, but thought maybe they hadn't put the finishing touches on before the final release. Wrong...it looked animated...which sort of took away from the ooh's and aah's.

Second bitch is that the action/fight scenes seemed almost too long. Yeah, I know...how can an aciton scene be too long. Still seemed that way to me.

Some favorite parts? Neo flying at mach 3 to save Trinity! Sweet!!! Neo stopping all those bullets ("He's got skill." ) The twins were pretty cool and deadly adversaries.

Oh yeah, one other bitch. What the hell was up with that cave rave? Seemed kinda silly to me. Actually, that whole cave/Neo's love scene could have been cut. I honestly expected to see a nuclear bomb towering behind Morpheus (Planet of the Apes reference for those who don't get it )

And I thought Master Blaster might make a cameo appearance in the engineering level

Okay, so it sounds like all I'm doing is bitching. All in all, these are all pretty small things in the whole scheme of the movie.

I really did enjoy it and will be seeing it again, most likely Friday night.

[IceEnclosure]

yea, rave not necessary.. but how else are we to know that they're happy people in Zion unless we see their nipples and bare feet?





I'm down with the 'father' of the Matrix, tho.. what a guy, eh?

I had to see it twice to follow his large-ass words


drew

[funkboy]

You've seen it twice? Wow.

It was a fun ride - definitely fits in the Matrix style. I too agreed the Zion dance scene could be cut - overall the movie started out somewhat disappointingly, maybe even to tone down our expectations a bit. But it finished strong... except for the ending... because you said spoilers in the thread, I'm saying...

what sort of bullpuckey is "To be concluded"?!!!

[Jansar]

It was so cool! Way better than the first!

[Stogieman]

Originally posted by keekeeree:

Some favorite parts? Neo flying at mach 3 to save Trinity! Sweet!!! Neo stopping all those bullets ("He's got skill." ) The twins were pretty cool and deadly adversaries.

Nah, Neo saving Morpheous and the Key Keeper from atop the big rig was better.
The twins were cool, but they didn't kill anybody. I wouldn't call them deadly adversaries.

Ok my quick review of the movie before I go to bed. (Hey it's 1:00am and I have to go to work bright and early tommorrow.)

I loved every minute of it. Well except the whole rave in a cave scene. And that horrid speach Morpheus gave to the people of Zion. Ok... basically anything that happened in Zion. What a waste of time that was. Things didn't pickup in the movie until Neo met with the Oracle. From that point on, the movie was great. The whole car chase scene alone was well worth the $8.50 I paid for admission. I'm going to see this movie again on Friday for 2 reasons.
1. The scene where Neo meets the architect of the Matrix. I had a hard time following what he was saying. He covered a lot of shlt in just 5 minutes.
2. Sitting 3 rows back from the screen caused me to miss a lot of the action. And here I thought getting there an hour and a half before the movie started would entitle me to good seats.

Minus the Zion scenes in the begining, I would have to say this movie deserves the big

[Developer]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
I think I prefer The Matrix.

The Matrix is just a cheap rip off of Fassbinder's "Welt am Draht"/Galouye's "Simulacron 3" (and half a dozen action movies).

[yakkiebah]

Originally posted by Developer:
The Matrix is just a cheap rip off of Fassbinder's "Welt am Draht"/Galouye's "Simulacron 3" (and half a dozen action movies).

very true, they basically borrowed tons of stuff from other movies and mixed it all together. nothing wrong with it and i still enjoyed it though but it annoys the hell out of me when i hear people say how revolutionary the matrix was.

and all this hype, whatever. i think i'll wait a few weeks.

[klinux]

Baaaad movie. Notice all the product placements? Audi, Cadillac, Ducati, Armani, Rayban, and Samsung? All they need is a Taco Bell inside Zion to make it complete.

[Mark Tungston]

Originally posted by Developer:
The Matrix is just a cheap rip off of Fassbinder's "Welt am Draht"/Galouye's "Simulacron 3" (and half a dozen action movies).

those movies you listed are so good that i never heard of them in my entire life. so good they have never been mentioned in all the matrix threads i've been in.

tell t he truth. if we saw those movies right now - they would probably pale in comparison with Matrix 1.

No offense intended, but stop being a ass. Action movies are not intended to be fine art. The overall production imo determines how "original" it really is.

[RGB]

The rave seen was fine for the first minute or two; no need to make it go on for as long as it did. That was kinda a theme of the movie: scenes taking too long. The Neo / Agent Smiths fight scene was too long, but looked nicely done until he picked up the pole at which point it seemed very animated. Granted, I've never seen a CGI person move so fluently and look so good, but he still looked animated nonetheless. The chase down the highway was too long too, but also very cool especially how it ends.

Overall, I really enjoyed the movie though. Plenty of philosophical twists and turns to keep the gears between my ears churning, along with a very involving storyline.

I think the first Matrix was probably better, but I also didn't have high expectations for it. And they could have done this sequal a hell of a lot worse.

[PJW]

I had some problems with the movie.

Number one, the whole idea of Zion has been ruined for me. Zion used to be like some mythical city and it sounded cool. Last stronghold of humanity and all that. There was a certain mystery about it because you never saw it.

Now, they've turned it into a Star Trek episode. Docking Bay 7, Engineering Deck, the Council? It was so cheesy. It's probably just me, but I HATED the Zion scenes. Especially the Matrix porno/rave. I didn't pay $8.25 to see Neo and Trinity get it on and a bunch of half-naked people jump up and down.

Another problem: too preachy. There were times when the movie just slows to a stop so we can hear some bizarre philosophical explanation of the nature of the Matrix. The scene with the French guy and the chocolate cake, for example. It was weird and I could have done without it. I did like the stuff with the Architect, however. I thought that was an awesome twist.

Other than that, I think the movie makes up for those bad parts with some kick ass action scenese. The fight with the Agent Smiths was awesome, way better than I expected, and all because they just added in a metal pole. And the highway scene...my God. That blew my mind. The movie did a great job of raising the level of each fight scene.

So, good movie. Not as good as the Matrix was, and I probably won't be seeing it again, but still a good movie.

[yakkiebah]

Originally posted by Mark Tungston:
those movies you listed are so good that i never heard of them in my entire life. so good they have never been mentioned in all the matrix threads i've been in.

tell t he truth. if we saw those movies right now - they would probably pale in comparison with Matrix 1.

No offense intended, but stop being a ass. Action movies are not intended to be fine art. The overall production imo determines how "original" it really is.

that says more about you then about anything else.

[fxbezak]

Originally posted by PJW:
I had some problems with the movie.

Number one, the whole idea of Zion has been ruined for me. Zion used to be like some mythical city and it sounded cool. Last stronghold of humanity and all that. There was a certain mystery about it because you never saw it.

Now, they've turned it into a Star Trek episode. Docking Bay 7, Engineering Deck, the Council? It was so cheesy. It's probably just me, but I HATED the Zion scenes. Especially the Matrix porno/rave. I didn't pay $8.25 to see Neo and Trinity get it on and a bunch of half-naked people jump up and down.

I agree. It was stupid.. There was an odd silence inthe theatre and you just knew everyone was thinking how un needed and stupid that scene was.

The Architect was a GREAT scene. It Explained a lot.

They Probably could have cut out everything about Zion. It was definitly a let down from when they docked that ship until it left.

Un needed screnes: Annoying kid giving neo the spoon, Zion Stupid dance orgy, woman having orgasm in the resturant, Neo revivng Trinity (could have been done bettter)

Edit: I loved it. Great movie, gotta see it again

[solitere]

Oboy... why did I click on this Topic!

[MrNo]

I was kinda disapointed. They put way to much in that movie. Some of the scenes were animated so bad, like when Trinity is falling out of the window. You can tell that this was done only to make money and not for the sake of art. So I'd give it a 3 out of 5.

[keekeeree]

Originally posted by Stogieman:
And that horrid speach Morpheus gave to the people of Zion.

Good god...how could I forget that horrible bit? I think I subconciously blocked it from memory. Yeah, that was probably the low-point of the movie.

But the movie has so many high-points (and some that go off the scale), that it's easy to forgive the low points we're mentioning here.

[Saul Goode]

"I can do things that break the rules of the artificial reality of the matrix like fly or stop bullets, yet I must continue to fight everyone kung fu style."

I had little desire to see this movie beyond the special effects. Thanks to this thread, that desire is gone. I'll wait for the DVD, or maybe even HBO.

[keekeeree]

Speculations?

Is that Agent Smith (one of him at least) in human form at the end of the movie on the other operating table? If not, who is this guy that obviously plays a pivitol role in the movie. If it is, I don't think he's followed Smith's M.O. so far: self-mutilation before a failed attempt at assassinating Neo in Zion; Trigging an EMP that could have easily resulted in his own death. Neither seem very Smith-like.

And what's up with Neo's super powers outside of the matrix? Cool and I'm sure the third movie will have a reasonable explanation, but what's your theory?

Since Neo revived Trinity from death, will she now have the same "powers" at Neo? Instead of just the One, are there now the Two?

I did appreciate the fact that agents are no longer unbeatable. The old standing "run"-rule doesn't necessarily apply anymore. Now if you confront one agent in the matrix, you now have a fighting chance. It shows that the characters are developing and learning from Neo.

[MrNo]

I think that we will see Matrix in the Martix. Remember when Neo stopped the centiels after they destroyed the ship. That should be the clue right there ...

[Evangellydonut]

Originally posted by PJW:
I had some problems with the movie.

Number one, the whole idea of Zion has been ruined for me. Zion used to be like some mythical city and it sounded cool. Last stronghold of humanity and all that. There was a certain mystery about it because you never saw it.

Now, they've turned it into a Star Trek episode. Docking Bay 7, Engineering Deck, the Council? It was so cheesy. It's probably just me, but I HATED the Zion scenes. Especially the Matrix porno/rave. I didn't pay $8.25 to see Neo and Trinity get it on and a bunch of half-naked people jump up and down.

Another problem: too preachy. There were times when the movie just slows to a stop so we can hear some bizarre philosophical explanation of the nature of the Matrix. The scene with the French guy and the chocolate cake, for example. It was weird and I could have done without it. I did like the stuff with the Architect, however. I thought that was an awesome twist.

Other than that, I think the movie makes up for those bad parts with some kick ass action scenese. The fight with the Agent Smiths was awesome, way better than I expected, and all because they just added in a metal pole. And the highway scene...my God. That blew my mind. The movie did a great job of raising the level of each fight scene.

So, good movie. Not as good as the Matrix was, and I probably won't be seeing it again, but still a good movie.

Agreed for the most part...
The rave was just an excuse to show boobs or something...not sure what that was...and it killed Zion's mythical status...
As for the docking thing, u figure that the ships will dock just outside of the city so it can be used for combat if necessary...i mean having those things take off 'n big-ass doors open takes way too long in an emergency...As for the council idea, it's inevitable...only other form of government remotely possible is a human-machine-hybrid kinda thing in charge, but that's not gonna cut it.
The French guy's scene was a little too long, but had some good points in there...Unless there's some symbolism involved with the French language, why even bother with a monologue regarding why he liked it so much? The orgasm part and the implied bathroom sex was funny though :-p
Architect was a nice touch. Hacking the powerplant part was just like "okay, that was too easy"...and the key-maker, he was around for a little too long...Take the fighting scene on the truck for example, the Agent had plenty of opportunity to swiftly kick the key-maker off of the truck then deal with Morpheus, but never did...
Agent Smith fight deserves A LOT more credit than most people give it. From the get-go, the scene was planned to be 100% CGI with motion capture of course, and it's one of the better ones I've seen.
Oh, and since Agents got upgraded, they still maintained if not even gained an edge over others from Zion, instead of the other way around, Keekeeree...

Now, here's the part I'm confused 'bout, maybe someone can help answer.
So the whole idea of rogue program...has there been an example of that in the movie yet? ie those obsolete programs that did not wish to return to mainframe decided to live inside the matrix...is Agent Smith one of them?
I missed the part as to why the Architect even bothered to give Neo a chance to rebuild Zion...is it that else they'd lose control over the One's existence? Also, I thought u needed quite a bit of people to provide enough genetic variations to sustain a population...but then again, I've recently read an article regarding new research finding that cousin marriage will only have 1% or so of increased chance of child abnormality or something along that line...
If everything was created by design, as a containment of the problem the Architect mentioned, then most of the containment programs are in circular time just like Zion? ie the key-maker, 'n the messed up Smith, 'n the French guy + wife? Doesn't seem right since the French guy and his wife seems to live in a linear time, unless their memory is artifical as well...or they are just programmed to do only so much so that Neo would get to his destination? There's a lot of "circular" thinking that I can't quite get straight at this point...

[bleuvixen]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
And what's up with Neo's super powers outside of the matrix? Cool and I'm sure the third movie will have a reasonable explanation, but what's your theory?

My "theory" is that they are still in the Matrix, they have always been, they are "a code gone wrong" allowed to be left on thier own...

think back to the Architect scene about the 6 (or 5?) previous attempts to free humanity.

They are now getting "out of control" (zion rizing, etc) and will need to be destroyed, but the code will live on to keep some sort of harmony?

But its all still in the Matrix... that can explain a TON of things, think about the keymaker saying how he knows what he needs to know (because he is programmed to?)

well thats just my theory so far, I need to go see it again.

what do you think?

[Jansar]

I figured that "The Matrix Reloaded" would get these responses from a MacNN board.

You're worse than critics. You should be ashamed. The Wachowski brothers (and the rest of the crew) put so much time and effort into this movie to make it really kick-ass and all people do here is $hit on it.

If anyone reading this post has not seen the movie yet, go immediately! (Unless, however, it's too late because everyone else here already ruined it for you.)

[MrNo]

The Wachowski brothers made this movie to make money, so please. If someone gave you some food you didn't like, would you tell them that you loved it or would you criticise it.

Originally posted by Jansar:
I figured that "The Matrix Reloaded" would get these responses from a MacNN board.

You're worse than critics. You should be ashamed. The Wachowski brothers (and the rest of the crew) put so much time and effort into this movie to make it really kick-ass and all people do here is $hit on it.

If anyone reading this post has not seen the movie yet, go immediately! (Unless, however, it's too late because everyone else here already ruined it for you.)

[benb]

Originally posted by Saul Goode:
"I can do things that break the rules of the artificial reality of the matrix like fly or stop bullets, yet I must continue to fight everyone kung fu style."

I had little desire to see this movie beyond the special effects. Thanks to this thread, that desire is gone. I'll wait for the DVD, or maybe even HBO.

You remind me of Ebert. You hate movies for the crappiest reasons, and love others for the same exact reasons.

[klinux]

Originally posted by Jansar:
The Wachowski brothers (and the rest of the crew) put so much time and effort into this movie to make it really kick-ass and all people do here is $hit on it.

I put so much time and effort in arranging to go see the first night and all the Wachowski brothers (and the rest of the crew) did was to $hit on it.

[klinux]

Originally posted by MrNo:
I was kinda disapointed. They put way to much in that movie. Some of the scenes were animated so bad, like when Trinity is falling out of the window. You can tell that this was done only to make money and not for the sake of art. So I'd give it a 3 out of 5.

Not only that, we had to watch it twice (or is it more than that)!

Also, why oh why did they borrow the set from Alien/StarWars/Final Fantasy/Metropolitan rather than creating something more original

[benb]

Originally posted by Evangellydonut:
Agreed for the most part...
The rave was just an excuse to show boobs or something...not sure what that was...and it killed Zion's mythical status...

I thought everybody here was tit happy. I guess you want to see them everywhere except the Matrix.

Oh, and since Agents got upgraded, they still maintained if not even gained an edge over others from Zion, instead of the other way around, Keekeeree...

I don't think the agents were upgraded. Smith is definitely different, but he is no longer an "Agent".

Now, here's the part I'm confused 'bout, maybe someone can help answer. So the whole idea of rogue program...has there been an example of that in the movie yet? ie those obsolete programs that did not wish to return to mainframe decided to live inside the matrix...is Agent Smith one of them?
I missed the part as to why the Architect even bothered to give Neo a chance to rebuild Zion...is it that else they'd lose control over the One's existence? Also, I thought u needed quite a bit of people to provide enough genetic variations to sustain a population...but then again, I've recently read an article regarding new research finding that cousin marriage will only have 1% or so of increased chance of child abnormality or something along that line...
If everything was created by design, as a containment of the problem the Architect mentioned, then most of the containment programs are in circular time just like Zion? ie the key-maker, 'n the messed up Smith, 'n the French guy + wife? Doesn't seem right since the French guy and his wife seems to live in a linear time, unless their memory is artifical as well...or they are just programmed to do only so much so that Neo would get to his destination? There's a lot of "circular" thinking that I can't quite get straight at this point...

I believe that Smith now is a rogue program. At first I thought that the Key-Maker and the Oracle and her bodygaurd were rogues as well, but I don't think they are anymore, because they were necessary to perpetuate the cycle. The thing with the Archicect is this: Zion will fall no matter what, and Neo cannot stop it. But, he can return the "bad" code to the Matrix, kill himself (I think), and choose people to start a new Zion. If he doesn't, all the people in the Matrix will die, as well as all outside it.

Your last point is the interesting part I think. Do all of the programs in the Matrix: The Oracle, Key-Maker, Agents; do they all know about the cycle and they play along to make it believeable, or are they not aware of the cycle?

Something tells me that Smith might end up helping them in the next movie as well.

[benb]

Originally posted by klinux:
I put so much time and effort in arranging to go see the first night and all the Wachowski brothers (and the rest of the crew) did was to $hit on it.

I have yet to read a post by you in which you sounded happy or refrained from insulting someone.

[keekeeree]

Originally posted by Jansar:
I figured that "The Matrix Reloaded" would get these responses from a MacNN board.

You're worse than critics. You should be ashamed. The Wachowski brothers (and the rest of the crew) put so much time and effort into this movie to make it really kick-ass and all people do here is $hit on it.

If anyone reading this post has not seen the movie yet, go immediately! (Unless, however, it's too late because everyone else here already ruined it for you.)

Um...excuse me? Thread title warns of spoilers in this thread. Chill...

And I'm supposed to be ashamed of critiquing this movie? What...are the Wachowski brothers your uncles or something? I'm not sure which thread you're reading, but I think most who have seen the movie give it a . But yes, there are some problems with the movie. I don't care how much time and effort went into making this movie. I paid my $7 to see it and that gives me the right to critique it. And if you paid for your ticket, them come on in and join the discussion and tell us what you loved about the movie (as has already been stated, there is a lot to love about this movie). That's your right.

[klinux]

Originally posted by benb:
I have yet to read a post by you in which you sounded happy or refrained from insulting someone.

My post was a parody of the above poster. Chill out. I promise to be happier from now on? Happy?

Oh, Reloaded still sucks.

[imaxxedout69]

1. Where the hell did Tank go? He WAS living in the last movie....what happened to him?

2. The fight on the semi truck... how fast was it going? Wouldn't it be hard to stay on the truck? yeah I know it's a movie, but still, there should be a LOT of wind.

3. If Neo is 'the one' why can't he just like .... instead of fighting all the bad french people with swords for two minutes, just block them all with one hand not doing anything, then jump inside them and erase their programs???

I'll ask more questions later, but I'm going to read this whole thread now.

INCREDIBLE ****ing movie.

- Ca$h

[benb]

Originally posted by klinux:
My post was a parody of the above poster. Chill out. I promise to be happier from now on? Happy?

Oh, Reloaded still sucks.

Oh alright then.

[imaxxedout69]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
My bitches about the movie? First one is that the big fight scene between Neo and that herd of Smiths was kinda lame. The action and choreography was great, but the animation sucked! When I saw the scene in the previews I thought the same thing, but thought maybe they hadn't put the finishing touches on before the final release. Wrong...it looked animated...which sort of took away from the ooh's and aah's.

Second bitch is that the action/fight scenes seemed almost too long. Yeah, I know...how can an aciton scene be too long. Still seemed that way to me.

Some favorite parts? Neo flying at mach 3 to save Trinity! Sweet!!! Neo stopping all those bullets ("He's got skill." ) The twins were pretty cool and deadly adversaries.

Oh yeah, one other bitch. What the hell was up with that cave rave? Seemed kinda silly to me.

I liked this movie better than the first, because it was more intellectual. Yes, there was a lot more action, but the dialogue was a LOT more complicated, and it'll take me a few viewings to fully understand everything completely. But yeah, I agree about hte fight scenes. If Neo is the one, he should have NO TROUBLE with any of those chumps. He should just be able to be like 'stop' and just destroy them.

But those white 'ghost' twins?!?! What the f*ck was with that? Aside from reminding me of 'milli vanilli' (vanilla= white, and it was two twins who had dreads), how the hell can they 'float' around like that? The matrix is based on rules, and I don't see how they're playing by the rules. That's freaking lame, and I hope they don't come back the next movie. :|

And the cave rave was pretty...eh... it felt weird to watch, it was like watching MTV spring break, but at the same time I understood why it was there. It was tribal, it was raw, it was so HUMAN, and that's something the machines can never have. I admit it was a bit 'pop cultureish' though.... what was funny was they started out doing just those 'drums', and I turned to Kristin and said "You know, if they're that far in the future, they should have some killer techno or something" and right when I said that, BAM, in comes the electronic melody.

Hell ****ing yeah.

This movie was awesome.

- Ca$h

[benb]

Originally posted by imaxxedout69:
1. Where the hell did Tank go? He WAS living in the last movie....what happened to him?

2. The fight on the semi truck... how fast was it going? Wouldn't it be hard to stay on the truck? yeah I know it's a movie, but still, there should be a LOT of wind.

3. If Neo is 'the one' why can't he just like .... instead of fighting all the bad french people with swords for two minutes, just block them all with one hand not doing anything, then jump inside them and erase their programs???

I'll ask more questions later, but I'm going to read this whole thread now.

INCREDIBLE ****ing movie.

- Ca$h

1. He died. The black girl (can't remember her name) said "I lost 2 brothers on that ship, I don't want to lose you to it too."

2. It is an action movie. Don't look for real explanations to fight scenes. I mean, how could Morpheus fall off the truck onto the car and not die? Or get punched in the jaw and not have it break into many pieces?

3. It is an action movie. It wouldn't have been as exciting if he just made them drop dead with a wave of his hand.

[n~s]

Liked it, but what a cliffhanger at the end.

Neo stops the robots in "reality" with his matrix powers. So does that mean that Zion is another Matrix?

Does that mean Neo has "Awakened" to the point where his powers work as well in reality as in the matrix?

Does that mean that the programming running the robots has been altered by Neo's actions in the Matrix?

What was up with the Agent appearing in the flesh in Zion to deliver a message?

I get the feeling they're making this up as they go along.

Overall, I liked it.

To the person who is pissed because thay put a lot of effort into seeing it on opening night: Lower your expectations. It's just a movie. You didn't have to put that much work into seeing it.

People who just want to see it for effects: Go ahead. You'll have fun.

[imaxxedout69]

Originally posted by funkboy:
I too agreed the Zion dance scene could be cut -

Cut shorter? Or cut out? I thought it was rather important. When faced with grim news, its something ONLY humans do, to CELEBRATE, and live like theres no tomorrow, and feel GOOD to be alive, and to be a human. The machines can't do that. The 'rave'/ tribal dance just.... says something about humanity.... it was people of all different colors, all different sizes, ages, sexes, sexual orientations, etc, and they were all just digging a vibe, and getting down. Machines don't dance. We do.

- Ca$h

[imaxxedout69]

HUGE BITCH I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!

ALMOST EVERY F*CKING VEHICLE IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE IS GM!!!!!!!!!

THE ENTIRE FREEWAY SCENE IS ALL GM!

Ok, they're driving a Caddy (ugly) CTS, the bad guys are in Caprices, and the new Avalanches. When the agents are jumping, he lands on an Olds Alero, or an Aurora or something. They flip aleros and auroras like CRAZY in this movie, and almost EVERY DAMN CAR WAS GM. The only cars I spotted that WERENT GM were NOT IN FOCUS. There was a BMW at one point, but it was all blurry.

THIS PISSES ME OFF

ANNNNDDD, I wouldnt' be surprised if GM has a stake in Ducati (the motorcycles, and Freightliner (the Semi trucks)

ARGH.

- Ca$h

[keekeeree]

I just thought of another inconsitancy in the movie:

When the Nebuchadnezzar is returning to dock at Zion, the "air traffic control" control center looks very futuristic, high tech, clean, and white. This is really our first look into Zion, and I thought, "Hmm...Zion really is this heavenly refuge for humanity." Then when the ship enters Zion, it's all nuts and bolts and steel and dirty humans again. There isn't another scene at Zion that even resembles that control room. Why the contrast?

[keekeeree]

Originally posted by imaxxedout69:
HUGE BITCH I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!

ALMOST EVERY F*CKING VEHICLE IN THE ENTIRE MOVIE IS GM!!!!!!!!!

THE ENTIRE FREEWAY SCENE IS ALL GM!

Ok, they're driving a Caddy (ugly) CTS, the bad guys are in Caprices, and the new Avalanches. When the agents are jumping, he lands on an Olds Alero, or an Aurora or something. They flip aleros and auroras like CRAZY in this movie, and almost EVERY DAMN CAR WAS GM. The only cars I spotted that WERENT GM were NOT IN FOCUS. There was a BMW at one point, but it was all blurry.

THIS PISSES ME OFF

ANNNNDDD, I wouldnt' be surprised if GM has a stake in Ducati (the motorcycles, and Freightliner (the Semi trucks)

ARGH.

- Ca$h

Trinity, Morpheus and the Keymaker making a spectacular getaway in a riced-out Neon just wouldn't have been the same

Someone else mentioned the glaring product placements in this flick. I honestly didn't notice any (well, except for the Cadillacs, but I'd heard about that before I saw the movie).

[imaxxedout69]

Originally posted by PJW:
I I didn't pay $8.25 to see Neo and Trinity get it on and a bunch of half-naked people jump up and down.

Other than that, I think the movie makes up for those bad parts with some kick ass action scenese. The fight with the Agent Smiths was awesome, way better than I expected, and all because they just added in a metal pole. And the highway scene...my God. That blew my mind. The movie did a great job of raising the level of each fight scene.

The cave dance scene was a bit long, and it was uncomfortable being 'that close' to Trinity and Neo... I mean, thats something intimate, and that only THEY would actually see, and maybe it wouldn't have been so bad if you saw them together, and realized how they loved each other, but the movie never showed that, it just showed them saying "I love you" to each other. I liked the agent smith scene.... the pole was badass, and it didn't look CG to me. It FELT CG, becasue there's no way in hell they could get those shots, or those effects, but it LOOKED real. But I disagree with the 'elevating' fight scenes. The fight scene with that chinese guy .... the Oracle's protector... Alright, Neo should have been able to hand that guy his ass. The fight was pretty lame also.

- Ca$h

[imaxxedout69]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
Speculations?

Is that Agent Smith (one of him at least) in human form at the end of the movie on the other operating table? If not, who is this guy that obviously plays a pivitol role in the movie. If it is, I don't think he's followed Smith's M.O. so far: self-mutilation before a failed attempt at assassinating Neo in Zion; Trigging an EMP that could have easily resulted in his own death. Neither seem very Smith-like.

It's Smith. I think he's staying covert til the last minute.

And what's up with Neo's super powers outside of the matrix? Cool and I'm sure the third movie will have a reasonable explanation, but what's your theory?

I think they're in ANOTHER matrix.

Since Neo revived Trinity from death, will she now have the same "powers" at Neo? Instead of just the One, are there now the Two?

I don't think so.... but I think that their 'love' will have a part in the next movie... like, they'll both be in a bad spot, and the 'love' they have for each other will do something crazy. Not sure. Just a guess.

I did appreciate the fact that agents are no longer unbeatable. The old standing "run"-rule doesn't necessarily apply anymore. Now if you confront one agent in the matrix, you now have a fighting chance. It shows that the characters are developing and learning from Neo.

What are you talking about? ONE agent almost killed Morpheus on the truck, and ONE agent DID kill Trinity at the end. Neo is the only one who can fight them.

- Ca$h

[CollinG3G4]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
I just thought of another inconsitancy in the movie:

When the Nebuchadnezzar is returning to dock at Zion, the "air traffic control" control center looks very futuristic, high tech, clean, and white. This is really our first look into Zion, and I thought, "Hmm...Zion really is this heavenly refuge for humanity." Then when the ship enters Zion, it's all nuts and bolts and steel and dirty humans again. There isn't another scene at Zion that even resembles that control room. Why the contrast?

Myabe we only saw part of zion.

like the ghetto low income section.

[imaxxedout69]

Originally posted by benb:
1. He died. The black girl (can't remember her name) said "I lost 2 brothers on that ship, I don't want to lose you to it too."

But in the first, Tank said he'd be OKAY after he got shot, he said that to Trinity. And the new guy, said he was replaced DOZER. Who replaced tank????

- Ca$h

[n~s]

I don't understand why everybody has a problem with the orgy/love scene. Can't we have a little sex with our violence?

[imaxxedout69]

Originally posted by keekeeree:
I just thought of another inconsitancy in the movie:

When the Nebuchadnezzar is returning to dock at Zion, the "air traffic control" control center looks very futuristic, high tech, clean, and white. This is really our first look into Zion, and I thought, "Hmm...Zion really is this heavenly refuge for humanity." Then when the ship enters Zion, it's all nuts and bolts and steel and dirty humans again. There isn't another scene at Zion that even resembles that control room. Why the contrast?

They were in the 'matrix' during that white scene. Not THE matrix, but one like the training program in the first movie. It makes sense.... what's easier to keep clean and maintain? A DIGITAL world? Where there are no distractions, you just jack in, do your job on your 'simulated' computer, then unplug at the end of the day? Or actually BUILDING all those screens, buttons, and complex things to control the docking station.

- Ca$h

[imaxxedout69]

Okay HERE IS WHAT I DONT UNDERSTAND and maybe someone can clear this up for me.

Neo is the SIXTH Neo. The previous FIVE, have all made the same decisions, said slightly different things, but they've all chosen to save Trinity.... okay, and apparently the Architect said that they've all FAILED, and that Zion was destroyed, and they're getting more efficient at destroying it.

Alright.... how the hell was ZION DESTROYED. If it is 'the real world', why does nobody remember it' been destroyed, UNLESS EVERYONE, including the Zion members, are in yet ANOTHER MATRIX. How can ZION be rebuilt?!?! Did they leave like two humans alive? What's the deal????

I don't get that.

If he failed, which he did, five times before, how was Zion destroyed?

- Ca$h

[ckohler]

Originally posted by imaxxedout69:
But in the first, Tank said he'd be OKAY after he got shot, he said that to Trinity. And the new guy, said he was replaced DOZER. Who replaced tank????

I think Tank was killed after the first movie.

His sister, Link's girlfriend, says that she didn't want Link to go because she'd "already lost two brothers to that ship". That means to me that Tank must had been killed sometime in the six months between the first movie and the second. I'm guessing six month because Morpheus tells the head Zion guy, "we've freed more minds in six months than we have in six years". Also, we know some time (six month) must have passed since the annoying kid was one of those minds freed by Neo.

[keekeeree]

Originally posted by imaxxedout69:
What are you talking about? ONE agent almost killed Morpheus on the truck, and ONE agent DID kill Trinity at the end. Neo is the only one who can fight them.

On that truck, Morpheus held his own, stood toe-to-toe with that agent and almost won, in fact in the end, did win. In the bathroom scene of the first movie, one agent almost kills Morpheus (easily could have if they didn't need him alive) without much effort at all.

And there were two agents after Trinity, that's why she bails out the window, but only one of the agents follows her down.

They were in the 'matrix' during that white scene. Not THE matrix, but one like the training program in the first movie. It makes sense.... what's easier to keep clean and maintain? A DIGITAL world? Where there are no distractions, you just jack in, do your job on your 'simulated' computer, then unplug at the end of the day? Or actually BUILDING all those screens, buttons, and complex things to control the docking station.

Good point...I'll buy that.

[Wes]

The previous FIVE, have all made the same decisions, said slightly different things, but they've all chosen to save Trinity....

I thought the other five went through the other door? Didn't the architect say that Neo was the only one who could "love"? I was under the impression that the previous 5 all choose to select the group of people to re-start Zion.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by imaxxedout69:
But in the first, Tank said he'd be OKAY after he got shot, he said that to Trinity. And the new guy, said he was replaced DOZER. Who replaced tank????

The real reason why Tank isn't there is that he was fired from the movie for his inappropriate behavior