[motti]

using the current exchange rate to the swiss franc, jaguar costs 167$, the edu version 107$. what will be different? only the package and the price tag...

[noliv]

Apple don't care about European people...
Prices are at least 13% higher and services (Photo printing with iPhoto, Sherlock3 new services) are not available for us.

The main page of Apple french website is not even translated in French (same thing with the german website, etc...)

Not easy to love Macintosh in Europe!!

[pal05]

In Austria Jaguar cost 166,80 Euro which mean 164.536 USD. A Tax of 20% already included!

But for German Buyers i can recommend Gravis which made a bundle with Jaguar and a USB Bluetooth adapter for 169,90 Euro (tax included). Thats a good offer in my case!

[jock]

In Australia it is going to cost $229AUS which is about right given the current exchange, imagine my surprise when I picked up my new tibook yesterday and the upgrade disks were included!
I sure hope nobody gets "Steved" over this:-)

[Developer]

In Germany it costs �139 (not including sales tax). That's about $136.

That price difference is acceptable for the exchange I'd say, but �15 for shipping is a little bit much in my opinion. It's impossible that shipping costs them that much.

I wish companies were just honest and charge more for the product and realistic shipping prices.

[Developer]

Originally posted by pal05:
In Austria Jaguar cost 166,80 Euro which mean 164.536 USD. A Tax of 20% already included!

But for German Buyers i can recommend Gravis which made a bundle with Jaguar and a USB Bluetooth adapter for 169,90 Euro (tax included). Thats a good offer in my case!

Then why not buy from Gravis? They ship to Austria.

[Stephane]

166,80 Euros also in France.

[motti]

Originally posted by Stephane:
166,80 Euros also in France.

so at least it's the same across europe..
i hope that sherlock 3 will be customized for each country because this seems to be a killer app for me.

[Henriok]

1495 SEK in Sweden with 25% taxes and 1196 SEK without.
That's $159 US with tax and $127 US without.
That's �161 with tax and �129 without.
.. at current exchange rates.

Most of the pages on Apple's swedish site is in swedish. for some reason Swedish is a prioritized language for Apple. I guess we buy a lot of computers. But Apple Sweden feels very ignorant of the Swedish market.. We really can't say what they are doing if they are, in fact, doing anything. Their presence in the community is sorely missed.

[fourstarcltv]

here in australia jaguar is listed at $229 (around US$124).

[Diggory Laycock]

UK - Apple store - �100 = $156 = Eur 154

Everything's just that bit more expensive here.

[mogura]

$195 here in Canada. And I don't want to even think about .mac.

[chris.p]

how are all these releative to the cost of living? say you get paid more for the same job in Sweden than you do in England, it is in theory cheaper there.

[Aussiemac]

Originally posted by fourstarcltv:
here in australia jaguar is listed at $229 (around US$124).

Here in Perth Australia it has already been advertised on special at AUS$199.00.

[graphiteman]

Here's the official US pricing:

Retail: $129
Education: $69
Government employee: $64.50

[Joost]

In Hong Kong, it's a flat HK$1,000 (US$128). Upgrade is HK$200.

[Developer]

Originally posted by graphiteman:
Here's the official US pricing.

How much does the Apple Store charge for shipping in the US?

[kovacs]

Originally posted by Joost:
In Hong Kong, it's a flat HK$1,000 (US$128). Upgrade is HK$200.

There is a special upgrade price ???

[Seb G]

Apple don't care about European people...
Prices are at least 13% higher

That's utter rubbish. I agree on the problem with iPhoto books, but don't complain to Apple about the prices. In the UK Jagwire retails at GBP 99 inc. 17.5% VAT. That's 84.26 without, or (at today's rate) USD 130, as oppesed to USD 129 excluding sales tax. Apple products in Europe are generally 16-25% more expensive because our governments care about our money so much that they charge 16-25% sales tax. Which in return gives us half-decent public education, healthcare etc.

UK - Apple store - �100 [...] Everything's just that bit more expensive here.

Compared to cars or booze, I think Apple prices are quite reasonable here in comparison to the rest of Europe.

[Joost]

Originally posted by kovacs:


There is a special upgrade price ???

Sorry, should have been clearer.

If you buy a Mac after MacWorld and before 24 August, you can have Jaguar for HK$200 -- same deal as everywhere else, right?

[noliv]

Originally posted by Seb G:

That's utter rubbish. I agree on the problem with iPhoto books, but don't complain to Apple about the prices. In the UK Jagwire retails at GBP 99 inc. 17.5% VAT. That's 84.26 without, or (at today's rate) USD 130, as oppesed to USD 129 excluding sales tax. Apple products in Europe are generally 16-25% more expensive because our governments care about our money so much that they charge 16-25% sales tax.

I did my "13%" estimation excluding tax... I'm not that dumb.

The price of MacOS X 10.2 is indeed (US price + VAT) in France, sorry for my mistake, I had in mind hardware prices.

Ex:
The new PowerMac G4:
USA - 5000 $
France - 5610 � WITHOUT V.A.T. (6744� with VAT)

iPod - 300$ in US, 330$ in France


It's 10% more expensive!

[VRL]

Originally posted by noliv:
Apple don't care about European people...

Not easy to love Macintosh in Europe!!

Double digit taxes are the problem in Europe! (To reiterate what other posters have said over and over.)

You also need to shop around for better prices. I've found some Apple resellars who are very willing to offer deals to make a sale.

As for Apple caring, I've had nothing but good experiences with Apple in Europe (Germany). Friendly service, good deals. It's VERY easy to love Apple no matter where I've lived.

And the main Apple pages are available in French, German, etc - I've been there. ...What are you looking at???

http://www.apple.com/fr/

Sherlock: I've heard rumors Apple is working on getting more services into it for international users. (Makes sense since half of their customers are international.) ...Guess we'll see.

Be good

[Developer]

Originally posted by VRL:


I've had nothing but good experiences with Apple in Europe (Germany). Friendly service, good deals.

If you say you experienced something like friedly service in Germany, you are flat out lying. No such thing exists here.

And double digits sales tax are not the problem. They have a 30% profit margin, so they could even eat the sales tax and still make money. They rather stay at their 1.x% market share.

[angelmb]

161,24 � in Spain with taxes in Apple Store.

[noliv]

Originally posted by VRL:

And the main Apple pages are available in French, German, etc - I've been there. ...What are you looking at???

http://www.apple.com/fr/

!!!!They just translated the PowerMac pages today!!!!

[JLL]

Originally posted by Developer:
And double digits sales tax are not the problem. They have a 30% profit margin, so they could even eat the sales tax and still make money. They rather stay at their 1.x% market share.

Here we go again about Apple's 30% profit margin.

That margin is used to pay for R&D, software development and more.

Is Apple's annual profit 30% of their annual sale? No!

And if you haven't noticed, Apple have been lowering prices the last couple of months, and here in Europe we benefit from the lower dollar value - the iMac now costs less than it did in January, but in the US the price is the same.

[workerbee]

Originally posted by JLL:
And if you haven't noticed, Apple have been lowering prices the last couple of months, and here in Europe we benefit from the lower dollar value

US prices:
OSX 10.2: US$ 129
QT6pro: US$ 29.99
QT6-MPEG2: US$19.99

European prices without any taxes:
OSX 10.2: US$ 154.9
QT6Pro: US$ 34.2
QT6-MPEG2: US$ 24.2

(Note that both QT are downloadable software, thus no packaging or postage, and also are in english, meaning there's no additional translation cost)

Now, please, Apple apologists: explain why this is good for us.

[Nebrie]

Originally posted by Developer:


If you say you experienced something like friedly service in Germany, you are flat out lying. No such thing exists here.

And double digits sales tax are not the problem. They have a 30% profit margin, so they could even eat the sales tax and still make money. They rather stay at their 1.x% market share.

All increased profit margins mean is that maybe ram prices went down a little. It conveniently excludes stuff like paying the employees, paying the electric company, the water company, research and development, etc.. Further compounding this is the fact that even though Apple spent over 9 million to make Jaguar, each Jaguar box will be recorded as having roughly 80-90% margin because all they're counting is the cost of the box, cds, and manuals. The 9+ million they spent doesn't go into this figure. If Apple had a 30% profit margin, they would have made *over* 300 million dollar last quarter. Instead, they made roughly one tenth of that. It's simple math people.

[Nebrie]

Originally posted by workerbee:


US prices:
OSX 10.2: US$ 129
QT6pro: US$ 29.99
QT6-MPEG2: US$19.99

European prices without any taxes:
OSX 10.2: US$ 154.9
QT6Pro: US$ 34.2
QT6-MPEG2: US$ 24.2

(Note that both QT are downloadable software, thus no packaging or postage, and also are in english, meaning there's no additional translation cost)

Now, please, Apple apologists: explain why this is good for us.

I suspect *one* of the reasons is because Apple locks in currency rates for a few months at a time as was stated in the last financial webcast. This means, that even though the price difference between a Mac in the US and a Mac in Europe widens, Apple isn't making more money from it so it can't lower the price to pass on the savings because there are none. This allows Apple to more easily project it's finances and sales.

[MacAngel]

Here in Chile Jaguar cost US$ 160 + 18% (tax) = US$ 188.8!!!

Being a Mac user here is really expensive


MacAngel

[workerbee]

Originally posted by Nebrie:
This means, that even though the price difference between a Mac in the US and a Mac in Europe widens, Apple isn't making more money from it so it can't lower the price to pass on the savings because there are none.

Where are the additional 10% - 15% going then, if not to Apple? If this money is going to Apple, why is it not more profit?

[Sturgis]

Originally posted by Developer:


How much does the Apple Store charge for shipping in the US?

Shipping is free in the US.

[workerbee]

Originally posted by Sturgis:


Shipping is free in the US.

You really have to rub salt into it, don't you?

I forgot the shipping, which makes european (or probably all non-US) prices swill even more out of proportion.

[Vanquish]

Belgium: � 168,19 (including 21% VAT) that's 165.78 USD !!!

[Jordan]

In Japan it is 14,800 yen. That's about USD$126.

Apple stuff is generally a little cheaper in Japan. Makes up for everything else being so bloody expensive!!!

Small compensation for the fact that we pay USD$8.50 for a beer!!

The whole Apple site is in Japanese. Japan is a huge customer for Apple. Macs are really popular here. Probably because they were the first computers to be able to handle Japanese characters properly. Was years ahead of Windoze.