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Why in the 21st century are there no alternatives to toilet paper?
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Oct 22, 2008, 04:13 AM
 
Alternatives in the west, if we're willing to accept those kooky Japanese (is that racist?)

I just dont get it, toilet roll is so crappy (couldn't resist) -- why isnt there a better solution?
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Oct 22, 2008, 04:19 AM
 
There's plenty of alternatives. You simply have to look for them:



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Oct 22, 2008, 04:56 AM
 
You just have to live in Japan...


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Oct 22, 2008, 05:34 AM
 
We should all be using the three clamshells.
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 05:41 AM
 
I'll just swear into the ticket machine.
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Oct 22, 2008, 07:00 AM
 
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Oct 22, 2008, 08:10 AM
 
When we built our house, my wife insisted on bidets in two of the three bathrooms. (I'm not sure why the kids didn't get one.) Anyway, though they are not a replacement for toilet paper, they are really neat.

They did not come with instructions, and it took a while to get the hang of how to use them.

*edit* (I live in America where bidets are not at all common)
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Oct 22, 2008, 09:16 AM
 
Originally Posted by ajprice View Post
You just have to live in Japan...

Why is that person pooping a stalactite?
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 09:32 AM
 
Must I mention the bidet?
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Oct 22, 2008, 09:52 AM
 
Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Why is that person pooping a stalactite?
It's a golf tee.
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 10:27 AM
 
In the future we'll have lasers that shoot the poo right off.

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Oct 22, 2008, 11:12 AM
 
This is a George C. conversation, if anyone out there remembers.
     
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Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
In the future we'll have lasers that shoot the poo right off.
Toilet bowl sharks with freakin' laser beams! Brilliant!
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 11:15 AM
 
In the future, we'll no longer have the need for poo.
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Oct 22, 2008, 11:44 AM
 
bidet |biˈdā| noun a low oval basin used for washing one's genital and anal area.

ORIGIN mid 17th cent.(in the sense [horse] ): from French, literally ‘pony,’ from bider ‘to trot,’ of unknown origin.
This thread, and all future threads posing a similar question, are superfluous.
     
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Originally Posted by minty View Post
This thread, and all future threads posing a similar question, are superfluous.
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Oct 22, 2008, 11:56 AM
 
It is interesting to me that while we disagree on so many things, especially politics, poop and toilets are always a powerful uniting force around her.

Anybody for a group hug?
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 12:06 PM
 
Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
Welcome to MacNN, enjoy your stay.
I'm not new here Dakar. And I know. The lounge is superfluity itself.
     
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Originally Posted by minty View Post
I'm not new here Dakar. The lounge is superfluity itself.
I'm well aware. So your post was an attempt at irony?
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
It is interesting to me that while we disagree on so many things, especially politics, poop and toilets are always a powerful uniting force around her.

Anybody for a group hug?
Only if everyone washes their hands first.
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 12:19 PM
 
I have something the sprays my ass and then air dries it, while playing a few fine tunes.
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
So your post was an attempt at irony?
On the contrary, a mere statement of the obvious.
     
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Originally Posted by minty View Post
On the contrary, a mere statement of the obvious.
Stating the obvious is not contrary to being superfluous. It's practically it's equal.
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 12:32 PM
 
What? You asked if I were being ironic. I replied that stating the obvious is contrary to being ironic, not to being superfluous.

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Originally Posted by minty View Post
What? You asked if I were being ironic. I replied that stating the obvious is contrary to being ironic, not to being superfluous.
The irony is complaining about this thread being superfluous with a superfluous post.

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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
The irony is complaining about this thread being superfluous with a superfluous post.
Indeed, let us pick nits.

This disagreement is caused by your assumption that my statement was a complaint. To complain that something is superfluous, when that thing's superfluity and thereby your statement is self-evident, is ironic insofar as you are guilty of that about which you complain. But your error is twofold: You assume that my statement was a complaint; you assume that the superfluity of the Lounge is always and to everyone self-evident. But au contraire, Dakar, au contraire.
     
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Originally Posted by minty View Post
But your error is twofold: You assume that my statement was a complaint; you assume that the superfluity of the Lounge is always and to everyone self-evident. But au contraire, Dakar, au contraire.
Complaint, superfluous, it doesn't matter. Your statement compounded what it tried to expound. I found that ironic. Also, I didn't assume the Lounge's superfluity was always self-evident always. Where did you get this?
     
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Oct 22, 2008, 01:26 PM
 
My good schoolfriend briefly lived in residence with a person of, shall we say, fresh mid-Asian origin at the beginning of last school year.

He walked into the bathroom on one of the first days and discovered the fresh new roll of toilet paper had gone unused, while the hand towel hanging on the rack had been decidedly...used. And given only a cursory cleaning.

Apparently this went on for some time, before the person abruptly moved out. My friend claimed it was pretty traumatic. I believe him.

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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
Complaint, superfluous, it doesn't matter. Your statement compounded what it tried to expound. I found that ironic. Also, I didn't assume the Lounge's superfluity was always self-evident always. Where did you get this?
Allow me to use an example to show that you are inventing an error in order to accuse me of it.

Imagine we are having a boring conversation. (You may not find this particularly hard to do.) At some point in our boring conversation, you say: "This conversation is boring." This statement of yours is not clever or original. It is, one might say, a boring statement; but it would be pointless of me, don't you see, to accuse you of being unintentionally ironic and attempt to undermine the validity of your statement by this accusation. For a statement is only more true for being obvious, and any incidental superfluity or irony does not alter its truthfulness.

And besides, if a statement states the obvious, then that that statement is a statement of the obvious is as obvious as that thing it states. It follows, too, that a statement stating that that statement states the obvious is as obvious as both that first statement and that thing that first statement states. Thus I am free to find your finding my statement of the obvious ironic ironic for also being obvious.

It's your move. But perhaps this has gone far enough. If you don't mind, I'd like to go back to my book. (Moby Dick—have you read it? Great stuff).
     
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Originally Posted by minty View Post
Allow me to use an example to show that you are inventing an error in order to accuse me of it.

Imagine we are having a boring conversation. (You may not find this particularly hard to do.) At some point in our boring conversation, you say: "This conversation is boring." This statement of yours is not clever or original. It is, one might say, a boring statement; but it would be pointless of me, don't you see, to accuse you of being unintentionally ironic and attempt to undermine the validity of your statement by this accusation.

And besides, if a statement states the obvious, then that that statement is a statement of the obvious is as obvious as that thing it states. It follows, too, that a statement stating that that statement states the obvious is as obvious as both that first statement and that thing that first statement states. Thus I am free to find your finding my statement of the obvious ironic ironic for also being obvious.
To be fair, in trying to defend/derail my first joke you created the error I'm accusing you of. I decided to take the opportunity of you posting something rather obvious to post a light quip on the state of things here. You decided to take personal umbrage to that and so this **** storm of false intellectuality and tedious rationalization began.

Originally Posted by minty View Post
It's your move. But perhaps this has gone far enough. If you don't mind, I'd like to go back to my book. (Moby Dick—have you read it? Great stuff).
No one's keeping you here. Feel free to move on at any time.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
You created the error I'm accusing you of.
And what error are you accusing me of?
     
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And what error are you accusing me of?
This is priceless.
     
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Don't forget to add "petty and boring to everyone else".
     
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Originally Posted by Railroader View Post
Don't forget to add "petty and boring to everyone else".
This thread, and all future threads posting a similar argument, are petty and boring to everyone else.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
This is priceless.
"Compounding what I attempt to expound"? This is my point. It is not an error, as my example tried to demonstrate, to say that a thread is superfluous, and call this a statement of the obvious. The truth or falsehood of a statement has nothing to do with its being ironic.

Don't you get that? Where's the error? Irony is irony, intentional or otherwise. It does not constitute an error.

So let me ask you again: What error are you accusing me of?
     
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Originally Posted by Dakar V View Post
This thread, and all future threads posting a similar argument, are petty and boring to everyone else.
Should we start one here, for old time's sake?
     
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Originally Posted by minty View Post
So let me ask you again: What error are you accusing me of?
So, was the first "And what error are you accusing me of?" some kind of trap, or had we been going in circles long enough that you got lost? You wrote a gigantic reply about my "inventing errors" so you must have had some type of invented error in mind.

Funny thing, if you look at my first two replies, I mentioned nothing about errors. So maybe I should be asking you, what error did I make in my first two replies that required this delightful little back and forth?
     
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Originally Posted by ShortcutToMoncton View Post
My good schoolfriend briefly lived in residence with a person of, shall we say, fresh mid-Asian origin at the beginning of last school year.

He walked into the bathroom on one of the first days and discovered the fresh new roll of toilet paper had gone unused, while the hand towel hanging on the rack had been decidedly...used. And given only a cursory cleaning.

Apparently this went on for some time, before the person abruptly moved out. My friend claimed it was pretty traumatic. I believe him.

greg

so, there was poo on the hand towel?? ewwww

There was this one time I walked into the bathroom at my work and someone had sprayed the stand-up-pisser(and the area around it) with poo.

People of other countries, sleep well tonight knowing that if I ever found myself in your country, I won't spray poo all over the bathroom just because I'm in another country.
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Keep going chaps. Just a few more posts and I'll have enough to print out and use for a session in the small room.
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Keep going chaps. Just a few more posts and I'll have enough to print out and use for a session in the small room.
I'm surprised you don't use besson's poop threads. There's a poetic justice to that.
     
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so, there was poo on the hand towel?? ewwww
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An interesting article on the subject at hand (well, hopefully not in hand).

http://www.slate.com/id/2202423/
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What error do you commit?

This: I said the Lounge was superfluity itself and later called my remark a statement of the obvious. You replied with some quip to the effect that a statement of the obvious is itself superfluous (that is, unnecessary) and that you found this ironic. You seemed to be implying that my statement were somehow undermined by this unintentional "irony." In your words: "The irony is complaining about this thread being superfluous with a superfluous post."

The problem with your "joke" is my statement that this thread is superfluous applied to the thread only after I posted the definition of bidet. To ask the question again, after an answer has been given, is truly superfluous. I take this fact to be self-evident; and thus (when you asked if I were being ironic) said, "Merely stating the obvious."

Where's the irony? Where's the error? Why so tetchy?

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Originally Posted by minty View Post
What error do you commit?

This: I said the Lounge was superfluity itself and later called my remark a statement of the obvious. You replied with some quip to the effect that a statement of the obvious is itself superfluous (that is, unnecessary) and that you found this ironic. You seemed to be implying that my statement were somehow undermined by this unintentional "irony." In your words: "The irony is complaining about this thread being superfluous with a superfluous post."

The problem with your "joke" is my statement that this thread is superfluous applied to the thread only after I posted the definition of bidet. To ask the question again, after an answer has been given, is truly superfluous. I take this fact to be self-evident; and thus (when you asked if I were being ironic) said, "Merely stating the obvious."

Where's the irony? Where's the error? Why so tetchy?
Yeah, that didn't happen within my first two responses.

Originally Posted by minty View Post
You also used to be a lot more fun, Dakar.
I admit I can be a bit of wet blanket when someone takes exception to my spring-boarding off their post to make a joke, and uses it as an opportunity for a dissertation about god-knows-what.

Really, who's the one who could use being 'more fun' here?
     
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Originally Posted by minty View Post
What error do you commit?

This: I said the Lounge was superfluity itself and later called my remark a statement of the obvious. You replied with some quip to the effect that a statement of the obvious is itself superfluous (that is, unnecessary) and that you found this ironic. You seemed to be implying that my statement were somehow undermined by this unintentional "irony." In your words: "The irony is complaining about this thread being superfluous with a superfluous post."

The problem with your "joke" is my statement that this thread is superfluous applied to the thread only after I posted the definition of bidet. To ask the question again, after an answer has been given, is truly superfluous. I take this fact to be self-evident; and thus (when you asked if I were being ironic) said, "Merely stating the obvious."

Where's the irony? Where's the error? Why so tetchy?

You also used to be a lot more fun, Dakar.

Take a deep breath, almost half of your posts in three years time are all today.
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What a minute. Didn't we have the same discussion exactly a year ago?
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What a minute. Didn't we have the same discussion exactly a year ago?
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