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Jan 29, 2019, 07:05 AM
 
Late to the party with nuclear hot takes.

Ehrenreich is a lanky, wide-eyed, do-gooder kid. That’s Skywalker, not Solo.

Glover on the other hand is perfect.

L3 is the best part of the movie, just like K-2 was the best part of Rogue One.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 10:04 AM
 
My son got the kid's book edition for Christmas and he and my wife read it before I had a chance to see the movie. He and I watched it together one night and after blurting out a couple of spoilers (She gets caught!) some very specific threats were made.

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Jan 29, 2019, 10:21 AM
 
Why do you think Darth Maul was CGI?
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 11:13 AM
 
It looked bad. Like Leia/Tarkin in Rogue One bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=FxVoZYZQeBU

Looks like a videogame cutscene. I assume they motion captured Ray Park and CGI'd him in. If that's actual footage then it looks really bad.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 12:21 PM
 
I think that's real footage and they overdid the 'transmission' effect.

I just watched this recently as well. I thought it was a good plot but the movie was murdered because it's two leads were terrible for their roles. I like Alden, but no.

I thought Glover was very effective but I also think it may have worked so well because he played spot minutes.

I have no idea why you considered the droid black.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 01:18 PM
 
I thought she was black as well.

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1: Hips
2: She has a similar accent to Thandie, who’s black (yes, I understand that’s not how accents work ).

I actually took a smoke break 40 minutes in to look up the actress. Partially because I was curious if she was black, and partially because she was soooo good, I wanted to know her name.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 02:05 PM
 
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...it's two leads were terrible for their roles. I like Alden, but no.
I do too, and I liked that character, it just wasn’t Han.

With Qi’ra, except in the beginning, and when she was pretending to be a dignitary, she was a hole in the screen. She clearly has chops, they just did a pitiful job giving her a character.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 02:20 PM
 
The droids voice reminded me of Brienne of Tarth

Clarke didn't work for me because she's supposed to be an up-jumped street urchin faking it til she makes it, but instead she comes off as a temporarily embarrassed Khaleesi
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 02:33 PM
 
I can get what you mean through inference, but I’ve yet to be inaugurated into Game of Thrones.

This made me remember how much Qi’ra’s boss sucked, and was a lame villain.

Paul Bettany is one of my favorite actors. What a total letdown.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 03:13 PM
 
I also thought the droid was Brienne of Tarth.

And Qira was totally fortold she'd be a traitor.

and also agreed that this young han was not our han, but a nice story. Would have been better to cast a 17yr old nobody.
     
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And Qira was totally fortold she'd be a traitor.
Which I thought would have been fine if they used it to motivate Han turning into a scoundrel.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 04:51 PM
 
Went in expecting garbage, so I was pleasantly surprised. No obvious plot holes. Main issue was that Ehrenreich was massively miscast. I understand that it was between him and Charlie Cox (Daredevil) which makes me say that Cox would have been better, but he’s not exactly the type either. They must have been thinking that Solo shouldn’t have swagger from the beginning, which I think is the wrong way to go about it. I would have liked to have him oozing charisma from scene one, being as fake as you can be, because he is constantly faking it.

Qi’ra was OK, but it’s a somewhat strange character. She seems to be there more to setup something in a sequel than to do something here.
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Jan 29, 2019, 06:27 PM
 
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I can get what you mean through inference, but I’ve yet to be inaugurated into Game of Thrones.

This made me remember how much Qi’ra’s boss sucked, and was a lame villain.

Paul Bettany is one of my favorite actors. What a total letdown.
There was nothing interesting to the character. They used scars in the place of personality.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 06:49 PM
 
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To expound on this, her looks when she was an "orphaned child stealing to survive" was good enough to go to the spring formal. Plus, while I'm no expert, her dialect was all wrong for a street urchin.
     
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Jan 29, 2019, 09:43 PM
 
I started watching Solo on a recent plane ride and fell asleep. I tried watching it again, fell asleep again. I don't think the main character felt very Solo-y. And honestly, I was weirdly unmotivated to watch Solo when it ran in the movie theaters, too.
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Jan 30, 2019, 06:54 AM
 
That's not weird at all. Solo came out shortly after The Last Jedi, so you're not at all strange for not wanting to see it then.
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Jan 30, 2019, 09:36 AM
 
I never understood why they ditched the off-year Holiday release for Solo
     
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Jan 30, 2019, 11:18 AM
 
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There was nothing interesting to the character. They used scars in the place of personality.
It didn’t seem like it would have been hard. The pieces were there.

He was mock-unstable. Make him real unstable. Have his posh aspect manifest with generosity and magnanimity. Have him be genuinely broken up by Thandie Newton’s death. Then have him torture people for no good reason.

The “problem” here is this takes some solid screen with him as a focus, which I can’t do if I’m also supposed to flesh out a bajillion other characters and a dozen storylines.

The overarching structural issue of the movie is two tons of shit in a one pound bag. In that respect I got a Phantom Menace feeling while I was watching it.
     
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Jan 30, 2019, 11:20 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
I started watching Solo on a recent plane ride and fell asleep. I tried watching it again, fell asleep again. I don't think the main character felt very Solo-y. And honestly, I was weirdly unmotivated to watch Solo when it ran in the movie theaters, too.
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That's not weird at all. Solo came out shortly after The Last Jedi, so you're not at all strange for not wanting to see it then.
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I never understood why they ditched the off-year Holiday release for Solo
I was unusual in that I really wanted to see it, and probably would have enjoyed it more in the theatre, but couldn’t get anyone else on board.

First Star Wars movie I didn’t see in the theatre.
     
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Jan 30, 2019, 09:03 PM
 
Thing is, I actually liked the other last three movies: I really like A New Hope as well as the ones that is set in between Episode III and Episode IV. Also the last “proper” Star Wars movie was good, even if not as good as A New Hope.
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Jan 30, 2019, 10:31 PM
 
TFA wasn’t awful, but was very poorly written, and I was confused by everyone raving about what turned out a to be so-so movie.

I couldn’t stand the leads of Rogue One, and it ruined it for me.

While it had its problems, I found TLJ to be very entertaining, and is my favorite so far by a large margin.

Solo is between TFA and Rogue One.


Edit: misunderstood that post.

Can’t really remember II or III.

The big flaw of the first one is it’s 5 acts.

There are others, of course, but that’s the big one.
     
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Jan 30, 2019, 11:29 PM
 
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TFA wasn’t awful, but was very poorly written, and I was confused by everyone raving about what turned out a to be so-so movie.
Without relitigating our earlier discussion, I had the impression that the director of TFA was not d'accord with the ideas of A New Hope and decided to kill certain story lines (literally and figuratively). And the way Luke Skywalker was portrayed was IMHO inconsistent with the earlier character of Luke Skywalker.

Anywho, let me take the off ramp before we hijack this thread
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Jan 31, 2019, 12:10 AM
 
Are you confusing ANH (Episode IV) with TFA and TFA with TLJ?

Rogue One has been the only good movie of the new batch IMO. Solo was okay, TFA was a rehash and TLJ jettisoned everything in the name of being clever and subversive IMO.
     
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Jan 31, 2019, 10:28 AM
 
Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Without relitigating our earlier discussion, I had the impression that the director of TFA was not d'accord with the ideas of A New Hope and decided to kill certain story lines (literally and figuratively). And the way Luke Skywalker was portrayed was IMHO inconsistent with the earlier character of Luke Skywalker.

Anywho, let me take the off ramp before we hijack this thread
Eh... the thread topic is pretty boring, and I don’t remember much discussion about the movie itself, mainly our slapfight about Rose’s sister.

I ultimately don’t get why it’s so disliked. Not with Luke, or the rest of it.

Well, except for the kids and dinosaurs.
     
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Jan 31, 2019, 10:30 AM
 
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Are you confusing ANH (Episode IV) with TFA and TFA with TLJ?

Rogue One has been the only good movie of the new batch IMO. Solo was okay, TFA was a rehash and TLJ jettisoned everything in the name of being clever and subversive IMO.
As I’m sure I said in the other thread, the only thing I liked about Rogue One is seeing all the two-bit, porno ‘stache, unnamed action figures from my youth getting to fight in space Vietnam.
     
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Jan 31, 2019, 02:06 PM
 
I don’t think people in general dislike TLJ. As a stand-alone movie, it was too long but had no obvious flaws. The people who hate it are the ones that are trying to see a single epic across all the movies, because TLJ doesn’t fit with the other movies.
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Feb 1, 2019, 10:59 AM
 
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I don’t think people in general dislike TLJ. As a stand-alone movie, it was too long but had no obvious flaws. The people who hate it are the ones that are trying to see a single epic across all the movies, because TLJ doesn’t fit with the other movies.
And people who hate Rose.
     
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Feb 4, 2019, 10:39 AM
 
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I don’t think people in general dislike TLJ. As a stand-alone movie, it was too long but had no obvious flaws. The people who hate it are the ones that are trying to see a single epic across all the movies, because TLJ doesn’t fit with the other movies.
The only part that didn’t fit is it was way better than the previous four entries into the cycle.

I’d even say it’s better than RotJ if not for the raw power of the speeder bikes and the Battle of Endor.

     
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The only part that didn’t fit is it was way better than the previous four entries into the cycle.

I’d even say it’s better than RotJ if not for the raw power of the speeder bikes and the Battle of Endor.

Thank you.

I've had otherwise sensible people direct me at YouTube rants full of misogynistic bullshit and garnished with some justifiable movie critique that unfortunately applies WAY more accurately to the original trilogy (RotJ mostly) that just made me go "huh"?

I liked TLJ a lot. And the original trilogy was probably among the most formative influences upon my childhood.

I did like The Force Awakens a lot, too, though mostly because it felt like somebody had made it who understood why.

The Last Jedi actually moved the story beyond the been-there-done-that.
Rogue One was a fun fiil-in-the-story that dovetailed nicely and didn't annoy (except for needing to retrieve a physical cartridge of digital content that could then be uploaded via a terminal located on the OUTSIDE of the antenna complex at aaaah thousand feet up. I'm sure there's a TV tower somewhere that has a DVD player outside on a catwalk at the tip of their transmission complex where employees can insert content retrieved from the archives, to be broadcast digitally…).

The prequels, I watched the first two in the theater, and the third one as a low-quality rip on the computer. I'll never see them again; they won't be missed.

Do I need to watch Solo?
     
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Feb 5, 2019, 11:15 AM
 
I think I'm on the same page as you, and I liked Solo, despite casting and plot points. It could have been better, but it could have been much much worse.
     
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Do I need to watch Solo?
You don’t need to.

I’ve not kept it secret I disliked Rogue One, but anyone into Star Wars really does need to see that.

That said, pretend this has nothing to do with Han Solo, and by the end you’ll only want about an hour’s worth of your three hours back.

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I think I'm on the same page as you, and I liked Solo, despite casting and plot points. It could have been better, but it could have been much much worse.
Okay, thanks, both of you.

It sounds like I won't be angry at having watched it, like I was over the prequels. (This stuff is important.)

Netflix it is.
     
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Feb 5, 2019, 07:40 PM
 
Yeah... the closest thing it does to inducing anger is wasting Paul Bettany.

Other than that the problems are of the mildly irritating variety. It’s got at least one subplot too many, the ingenue is weak, and Han isn’t Han, but he’s not bad either, just not Han.
     
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You don’t need to.

I’ve not kept it secret I disliked Rogue One, but anyone into Star Wars really does need to see that.
Rogue One kept me wide awake in my seat the whole time, whereas Solo literally put me to sleep. Twice. (I was on a flight to Europe and started watching it twice.)
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Rogue One kept me wide awake in my seat the whole time, whereas Solo literally put me to sleep. Twice. (I was on a flight to Europe and started watching it twice.)
Neither put me to sleep.

However, Rogue One is a lot more tightly paced than Solo. No question there.

There’s better technique on display in general with Rogue One, it’s the leads who wreck it. I didn’t wish death upon the leads of Solo.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
Neither put me to sleep.

However, Rogue One is a lot more tightly paced than Solo. No question there.
For some reason the story of Solo didn't grip my attention. Perhaps I was missing the “good parts”, but you are right that the pacing of Rogue One is a lot better. (Ditto for all the other new Star Wars movies.) One thing I picked up upon was that the Han Solo in Solo did not feel like a younger version of the Han Solo we all know and love. While I should probably reserve judgement until I have seen the entire movie, I think this is apparent even from the first third of Solo. To be fair, the same goes for Luke Skywalker in the last “proper” trilogy^2 Star Wars movie. And this is especially true of the “first trilogy^2” which completely fails at explaining how Anakin Skywalker became Darth Vader.
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There’s better technique on display in general with Rogue One, it’s the leads who wreck it. I didn’t wish death upon the leads of Solo.
Hehe. I remember your strong opinions on that subject. Without relitigating everything, I would say, though, that a polarizing cast in my book is a better sign than a bland cast. While perhaps the cast of Rogue One didn't tickle your fancy, I think it is clear the director took a clear stance here, which is riskier but potentially has a higher reward.
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There’s better technique on display in general with Rogue One, it’s the leads who wreck it. I didn’t wish death upon the leads of Solo.
Then I suppose you got your wish granted in both cases.
     
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Then I suppose you got your wish granted in both cases.
I did.

I was happy when one blowed up, and I was happy when the other not-blowed up.
     
   
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