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Feb 3, 2010, 03:28 PM
 
unless he decided to come back in Saïd's body.
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 03:32 PM
 
Edit: Sometimes I hate discussing this - I feel like my points quickly degenerate into the blatheringly obvious.
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 03:34 PM
 
Yep, Jacob is Sayid.
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That's why he's gonna kill us. So we got to beat it. Yeah. Before he let's loose the marmosets on us."
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:01 PM
 
Oh. My. God.

That's why Jacob made Hurley bring him to the ....

Oh for the love of - why didn't I think of this?!!?
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:04 PM
 
I really, really hope not.

Someone I read pointed out this is likely the process that saved child Ben - and created the monster we know and love today.
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:08 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Not criticizing you, but by that logic, smokes could have killed Jacob much the same way he killed Bram.
By grabbing him and throwing him on a plank of wood? It only used the rock to make him stumble out of his very small circle.
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:10 PM
 
By using objects around him to impale him, yes. Wasn't that what you were implying could have happened if Jacob didn't protect his shack?
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:26 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
By using objects around him to impale him, yes. Wasn't that what you were implying could have happened if Jacob didn't protect his shack?
To recap what I recall happening to Bram: He was safe in his circle, but the monster made a large rock fall in right front of him, causing him to stumble out of his circle. The monster was then able to kill Bram once he was out of his little circle of safety. He didn't use external objects to kill him.
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:30 PM
 
Ok, what about about the latter part of my last post?
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:43 PM
 
Did I think the monster was going to impale Jacob with a piece of wood? No. But I think Jacob knew he would come up with a way to kill him someday and was delaying that at least until he had things ready.
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:45 PM
 
Ah, ok. Sorry for being a pain the ass.
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:50 PM
 
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What's with the temple others?
They kind of reminded me of pirates. People from the ship?
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 04:52 PM
 
The stewardess from the plane is a fun curveball.
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 05:35 PM
 
Yeah, have we met her before? Did she get snatched in the beginning?
     
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Feb 3, 2010, 05:37 PM
 
I recognize the actress, but I couldn't tell you what season, let alone episode she was in.
     
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Yeah, have we met her before? Did she get snatched in the beginning?
She was a tailie IIRC.
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Feb 3, 2010, 09:46 PM
 
Don't know if this was discussed on this thread before...but..

Does anyone else here sense several religious connotations where Judaism, Christianity and Islam (etc.) are being jungled around here? Particularly after life, and repentance?

I've studied world religions, and this show often hints and points me toward various existing beliefs.

Let me try this:

Jacob (Hebrew) = Moses
Juliette = Jesus "It worked" she says.
Sayid (means "lord, master" in Arabic) = Muhammad

Just throwing it out there..
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Feb 3, 2010, 10:45 PM
 
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Yeah, so we're not going to get any real answers until this thing ends. Might as well just sit back and watch each episode in silence without trying to dissect it.
Do you think we'll get any real answers even then? Personally, I'm waiting for the spin-off to be announced.
     
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I have a feeling there's something very real going on with the after-the-bomb timeline that's going to meet up with the island timeline, given Juliet's last (post-last?) words: "It worked."
Yep, Juliet's last words pretty clearly indicate that the Real Time activities aren't just "what ifs". There are also some interesting things happening in the Real Time that suggests something strange is still going on there:
- Christian's missing body / coffin
- Desmond on the plane (suggests everyone is still being drawn together)
- Jack's apparent sense that he's seen the other Losties before
     
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Feb 4, 2010, 09:53 AM
 
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Yeah, have we met her before? Did she get snatched in the beginning?
She was in the tail section and we saw her once (or twice) in passing. There was one episode around the polar bear cages and she walked by. Other than that we haven't seen much of her.

Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Yep, Juliet's last words pretty clearly indicate that the Real Time activities aren't just "what ifs".
I was wondering if maybe since Juliette died -- or maybe since she was so close to the energy and explosion (like Desmond) -- she was aware of both timelines as she was dying. Maybe when Sawyer meets her in Real Time she'll recognize him and try make him remember Island Time?

At the end of the episode the John Lennon translator guy comes to Jack and says that he needs to speak to him privately. We never find out what that discussion was to be about since Sayid came back to life. He asks for Jack by his last name, so I was wondering if it has something to do with Christian?
     
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Feb 4, 2010, 12:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
Do you think we'll get any real answers even then? Personally, I'm waiting for the spin-off to be announced.
Abrams claims that every loose end will come together for the ending of the show. We'll see if he keeps his promise.
     
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Feb 4, 2010, 12:46 PM
 
I'm sure we'll all think of something minute we wish they had given an answer to.
     
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Feb 4, 2010, 01:46 PM
 
Originally Posted by Jawbone54 View Post
Abrams claims that every loose end will come together for the ending of the show. We'll see if he keeps his promise.
Then again, Abrams has hardly been involved with the show since partway through the first season.
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Feb 4, 2010, 11:05 PM
 
I'm just glad they referenced the missing kids again (by having them on screen). They've almost been entirely ignored since they were kidnapped in season two.
     
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Feb 4, 2010, 11:24 PM
 
These other Others are interesting. They seem to be quite separate from Ben's Others, with the only connection being Richard (he clearly knew what the flare meant while Ben did not). They also seem to be much more aware of what's going on with the island than Ben's Others.
     
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Feb 4, 2010, 11:31 PM
 
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Then again, Abrams has hardly been involved with the show since partway through the first season.
Yeah, but I'm still not expecting a Sopranos-like finale.
     
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Feb 5, 2010, 08:06 AM
 
With every new episode I become more and more a Richard fan! I think he's the most mysterious character and with the most ambiguous motives..
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With every new episode I become more and more a Richard fan! I think he's the most mysterious character and with the most ambiguous motives..
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Feb 10, 2010, 12:23 PM
 
"The sickness" that Rousseau's (Russo? Rousso?) team all died from?
     
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Feb 10, 2010, 12:38 PM
 
Oh shit Claire's a hottie!
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Feb 16, 2010, 11:01 PM
 
So, their numbers are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42... didn't see that one coming! But number 4 is dead... will they be picked off in that order? I was almost thinking BadLocke was going to use Sawyer as his mercenary to kill off the others, although Sawyer is something like number 15.
     
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Feb 17, 2010, 12:27 AM
 
so, do you think the others... kate, claire, the older couple whose names i can never remember... people without a number, are just.... collateral damage? are "The Numbered Ones" the only ones destined for the island?

wth wouldn't kate have a number?

and Sayid's name wasn't crossed off, so i wonder if he's actually alive, and not Jacob. (Then again, if it's Jacob's duty to do the crossing off, then I supposed he wouldn't have had the chance yet.
     
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Originally Posted by Ghoser777 View Post
So, their numbers are 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42... didn't see that one coming! But number 4 is dead... will they be picked off in that order? I was almost thinking BadLocke was going to use Sawyer as his mercenary to kill off the others, although Sawyer is something like number 15.
Never mind...
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Mar 3, 2010, 02:46 AM
 
Well, one can't accuse the plot standing still in this season! Things happen. Fast.
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Mar 3, 2010, 08:50 AM
 
It's always refreshing to watch an episode without Jack in it.

I predict a spin-off after this is all over... A sitcom with just Hurley and Sun, with occasional guest appearances by Walt.
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It's always refreshing to watch an episode without Jack in it.
He was in it. He was at the hospital that Sayid's brother was taken to.
     
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Mar 3, 2010, 11:43 AM
 
Who do you think is coming to the Island? (The one Jack and Hurley had to change the lighthouse for)

Why is Claire mad that Kate took Aaron?

Who do you think will survive in the end?

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Who do you think is coming to the Island? (The one Jack and Hurley had to change the lighthouse for)
Widmore? Desmond? Walt?
Why is Claire mad that Kate took Aaron?
She's possessed, not thinking clearly or rationally. Claire ran off and wasn't seen for a really long time (presumed dead) so Kate did the best thing for Aaron.

Who do you think will survive in the end?
No idea. I guess only 2 of them to start the cycle over again.
     
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No idea. I guess only 2 of them to start the cycle over again.
This hasn't occurred to me. It would be a neat idea if Jacob and his nemesis are looking for the idea candidate to replace them and restart the cycle.
     
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Who do you think is coming to the Island? (The one Jack and Hurley had to change the lighthouse for)
My guess is that it's Desmond since we haven't seen anything of him -- except for sitting next to Jack in LA X -- this season.
     
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My guess is that it's Desmond since we haven't seen anything of him -- except for sitting next to Jack in LA X -- this season.
I feel like whoever is coming is going to be some sort of "savior" - it's gotta be something BIG. I don't feel like Desmond is "big" enough for that role. (but that's just a theory)

My first thought was Jack's son - possibly (the #23) Shephard

Then I thought of Aaron, as sort of a Jesus Christ, child-savior metaphor.

Widmore would be appropriate. Walt... eh, maybe?
     
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Mar 3, 2010, 04:29 PM
 
The end of this episode felt really powerful, like the start between an epic conflict between light and dark, good and evil.

I think it has been totally worth it following Lost for 5 seasons for this
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Aside from being littered with way too many commercial breaks, I find myself strangely disinterested. Too much filler. The last 3 episodes could have been condensed into one. Running out of time for all those answers they keep promising.

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Aside from being littered with way too many commercial breaks
Yeah, I noticed that too.
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Originally Posted by pooka View Post
Aside from being littered with way too many commercial breaks, I find myself strangely disinterested. Too much filler. The last 3 episodes could have been condensed into one. Running out of time for all those answers they keep promising.
Indeed, not many episodes left and many questions yet to be answered - but man... watching TV shows on TV with commercials and everything!

You're tougher than I thought. I can't watch TV anymore, I've been spoiled with them commercial-free torrents. I doubt I'd make it through a foolproof guide to fame and riches if it had commercials in between.

They're like cyptonite on me.. I'm sure you have your reasons for not torrenting the episodes, but it sure is sweeter to have a continuous episode, uninterrupted.
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Originally Posted by pooka View Post
Too much filler. The last 3 episodes could have been condensed into one. Running out of time for all those answers they keep promising.
     
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Mar 3, 2010, 10:52 PM
 
I don't think I've ever seen anyone spell kryptonite with a "c" before. :/
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Mar 3, 2010, 10:58 PM
 
At the rate the show is going, in the last episode Bernard will get hit on the head with a coconut, pass out, and will wake up next to Rose and tell her about the weird dream he just had.
     
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Originally Posted by RAILhead View Post
I don't think I've ever seen anyone spell kryptonite with a "c" before. :/
I actually wrote cyptonite. A compound of unobtanium and dilithium.
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