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Leia Shoots Like a Girl · Jul 15, 2002, 04:05 PM

After this strange article came out today about MS trying to steal thunder from Macworld with Media Player 9.
<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943859.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943859.html?tag=fd_top</a>

Apple just beat them at their own game by posting QuickTime 6 for download.
<a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/</a>

Guy Incognito · Jul 15, 2002, 04:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Leia Shoots Like a Girl:
After this strange article came out today about MS trying to steal thunder from Macworld with Media Player 9.
<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943859.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943859.html?tag=fd_top</a>

Apple just beat them at their own game by posting QuickTime 6 for download.
<a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/</a><hr /></blockquote>Ol' Billy G's gonna have nightmares tonight!

Silky Voice of The Gorn · Jul 15, 2002, 04:13 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Leia Shoots Like a Girl:
After this strange article came out today about MS trying to steal thunder from Macworld with Media Player 9.
<a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943859.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">http://news.com.com/2100-1040-943859.html?tag=fd_top</a>

Apple just beat them at their own game by posting QuickTime 6 for download.
<a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/</a><hr /></blockquote>Meh not really..the beta was released a number of weeks ago already, nothing earth shattering about this. In any case, MS announcing vaporware is pretty lame.

lookmark · Jul 15, 2002, 04:14 PM

This tit-for-tat is almost becoming amusing.

ryarber · Jul 15, 2002, 04:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lookmark:
This tit-for-tat is almost becoming amusing.<hr /></blockquote>Good to know apple's finally starting to annoy them again.

Jerommeke · Jul 15, 2002, 04:42 PM

I am looking forward to WMp's new EULA. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

And Apple's servers are busy �r not responding. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" />

Developer · Jul 15, 2002, 04:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jerommeke:

And Apple's servers are busy �r not responding. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Download the English Version. They are all international anyway.

t_hah · Jul 15, 2002, 04:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jerommeke:

And Apple's servers are busy �r not responding. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Download the English Version. They are all international anyway.<hr /></blockquote>Downloaded 19 Megs in about 15 seconds...Apple's servers kick a$$ as always!!!!

Edit: Downloaded to a different computer in about 6 seconds!!!

t

[ 07-15-2002, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: t_hah ]

OwlBoy · Jul 15, 2002, 04:59 PM

Damn bastards, the FAQ they had up for QT6 during the preview said THE FINAL WOULD HAVE MPEG2 SUPPORT!

-

WHERE THE **** IS THAT SUPPORT?!?!?!?!

-Owl

Developer · Jul 15, 2002, 04:59 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by t_hah:
Downloaded 19 Megs in about 15 seconds...Apple's servers kick a$$ as always!!!!<hr /></blockquote>akamai's servers <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

PowerBookDude · Jul 15, 2002, 05:13 PM

So, I just went to System Prefences to QuickTime and hit Update or Install QuickTime software. And nothing. Shouldn't it be listed there? Or do I have to download it with a brower?

Thank!

Mr_Solar_Wind · Jul 15, 2002, 05:27 PM

I suppose it didn't occur to any of you that this release may have actually been planned in advance of Microsoft's silly announcement? THINK...

Wednesday is MWNY. Why make the faithful sit through several hours of crappy Quicktime 5 streaming when we could be sitting at our desks watching a clearer, better MPEG-4 stream? Besides it has lower bandwidth requirements which should help with all of the damn cut-outs we're all used to. And of course the next day Apple can release some kind of press release touting the "Largest MPEG-4 Streaming Event" in the history of the world, which will be great for both Apple and the M$-free codec. They can't expect people to be using BETA software now can they?

It's a win-win-win situation. Be happy!

SwarmyCurve · Jul 15, 2002, 05:35 PM

Where is that snazzy icon that was supposed to be included with this new release? Its still the somewhat ugly white player icon instead. :-(

Synotic · Jul 15, 2002, 05:45 PM

Am I behind in the times or did anyone else notice that they are using the newer Aqua buttons now?

At least in some places...

<img src="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/images/upgrade_now_jaq.gif" alt=" - " />

Damn inconsistency...

<img src="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/images/downloadquicktime.gif" alt=" - " />

Guy Incognito · Jul 15, 2002, 05:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
Where is that snazzy icon that was supposed to be included with this new release? Its still the somewhat ugly white player icon instead. :-(<hr /></blockquote>I had the same problem...until I cut the icon from the 'Show Info' box, logged off and back on again.

The snazzy new icon is actually the old QuickTime 3.0 icon rerendered in OS X's 128x128 32-bit glory. Back to the basics I guess.

JLL · Jul 15, 2002, 05:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Mr_Solar_Wind:
I suppose it didn't occur to any of you that this release may have actually been planned in advance of Microsoft's silly announcement? THINK...

Wednesday is MWNY. Why make the faithful sit through several hours of crappy Quicktime 5 streaming when we could be sitting at our desks watching a clearer, better MPEG-4 stream? Besides it has lower bandwidth requirements which should help with all of the damn cut-outs we're all used to. And of course the next day Apple can release some kind of press release touting the "Largest MPEG-4 Streaming Event" in the history of the world, which will be great for both Apple and the M$-free codec. They can't expect people to be using BETA software now can they?

It's a win-win-win situation. Be happy!<hr /></blockquote>I was wondering the other day if Apple would stream the keynote in MPEG-4 even if they had only released a beta - I guess the wouldn't <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Furthermore they needed to release QT6 if iTunes 3.0 is supposed to be released Wednesday.

SwarmyCurve · Jul 15, 2002, 06:01 PM

Well now I do see the new icon. I was actually referring to the developers beta icon. It was more like iphoto or preview, with a stack of document and a film strip. Thanks for the tip though!

Guy Incognito · Jul 15, 2002, 06:08 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
Well now I do see the new icon. I was actually referring to the developers beta icon. It was more like iphoto or preview, with a stack of document and a film strip. Thanks for the tip though!<hr /></blockquote>Yeah...I liked that (Jaguar build) icon better...I don't know why they changed it. This new one goes against the guidelines.

ratlater · Jul 15, 2002, 06:20 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Guy Incognito:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by SwarmyCurve:
Well now I do see the new icon. I was actually referring to the developers beta icon. It was more like iphoto or preview, with a stack of document and a film strip. Thanks for the tip though!<hr /></blockquote>Yeah...I liked that (Jaguar build) icon better...I don't know why they changed it. This new one goes against the guidelines.<hr /></blockquote>I've got the Jaguar film strip icon if anyone cares for it. It looks much nice imo.

-matt

starman · Jul 15, 2002, 06:26 PM

I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.

Mike

Developer · Jul 15, 2002, 06:38 PM

[Edit: I was wrong

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[ 07-15-2002, 07:00 PM: Message edited by: Developer ]

seb2 · Jul 15, 2002, 06:38 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.<hr /></blockquote>make that � 40 here, which is -- tada -- $ 40

KidRed · Jul 15, 2002, 06:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by seb2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.<hr /></blockquote>make that � 40 here, which is -- tada -- $ 40

<hr /></blockquote>Boys, they've done this every major update, nothing new here.

Developer · Jul 15, 2002, 07:02 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KidRed:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by seb2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.<hr /></blockquote>make that � 40 here, which is -- tada -- $ 40

<hr /></blockquote>Boys, they've done this every major update, nothing new here.<hr /></blockquote>So? Does that make it any more fair?

� 29 plus 16% sales tax is � 33.64 not � 40.60!

arrlin · Jul 15, 2002, 07:16 PM

Does it work with imovie?
The preview version of v6 caused iMovie to crash.
Anyone check this out yet?

t_hah · Jul 15, 2002, 07:25 PM

In my opinion you do not have to buy QT 6. You can stick with 5 if you wish. I bought it because I do wish to support Apple and the QT development. Apple is still not charging as much as MS for its products.
Jaguar will probably be a paid update, but what do you guys expect?

Don't you have to pay for other software as well?
I think you guys should stop complaining about this. You either pay and upgrade, or do not pay and stay with what you have.

You have a choice.

t

Sine · Jul 15, 2002, 08:23 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by KidRed:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by seb2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.<hr /></blockquote>make that � 40 here, which is -- tada -- $ 40

<hr /></blockquote>Boys, they've done this every major update, nothing new here.<hr /></blockquote>Actually QT used to be free, with all these features you pay for now.

starman · Jul 15, 2002, 08:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
I think you guys should stop complaining about this. You either pay and upgrade, or do not pay and stay with what you have.
<hr /></blockquote>I spent $1000 on DVD Studio Pro which came with a QT 5 key. I get a little ticked when I get nickel-and-dimed after that.

Mike

Josh Reid · Jul 15, 2002, 08:44 PM

I'm sorry but I think it's bull to have to pay ANOTHER $30+tax fee for Quicktime. I purchased one for Quicktime 4 that worked for Quicktime 3 AND 4. Shortly after that I had to purchase a new one for Quicktime 5 in January of this year. If the same key worked for 3 and 4, why can't one different key work on 5 and 6? I'm sorry, but I just don't feel like spending $60 a year to use the few features I use of Quicktime Pro.

To explain, I very rarely use all of the export codec options. The main thing I need Quicktime Pro for is simply for the ability to cut/paste/piece together music files. I understand that to someone who uses all of Quicktime Pro's full features, the $30 fee is worth it. But to someone like me, it's just not worth it. The free Quicktime should have just a few more features (like cutting & pasting music files), OR I should be able to keep the Pro Quicktime 5 on my system while using the free Quicktime 6. But, of course, when you install 6 it automatically deletes 5. I guess I'll be one person who doesn't use MPEG4 anytime soon.

-Josh

SMacTech · Jul 15, 2002, 08:48 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by arrlin:
Does it work with imovie?
The preview version of v6 caused iMovie to crash.
Anyone check this out yet?<hr /></blockquote>I did first thing. So far no crashes in iMovie. I could make it crash in 30 seconds with QT6 beta.

t_hah · Jul 15, 2002, 08:49 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />
I think you guys should stop complaining about this. You either pay and upgrade, or do not pay and stay with what you have.
<hr /></blockquote>I spent $1000 on DVD Studio Pro which came with a QT 5 key. I get a little ticked when I get nickel-and-dimed after that.

Mike<hr /></blockquote>That is understandable. Apple should provide you some sort of an upgrade, free QT 6 Pro key, since you are a Pro user, and you paid lot of money for DVD Studio Pro.

I think people who do not want to pay the $30 fee, should stick with QT5. It is not unusable, not even close. I liked QT 5, it did everything I needed. If you need the features of the new software buy it. Is this the case with PS as well, when Adobe decides to release a new version?

t

Millennium · Jul 15, 2002, 10:17 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by t_hah:
In my opinion you do not have to buy QT 6. You can stick with 5 if you wish. I bought it because I do wish to support Apple and the QT development.<hr /></blockquote>True, but Apple should at least offer a reduced upgrade price. I paid for QT 3 Pro. That key worked with 4. Then I bought a new one for 5, and got two extra sets of QT5 keys when I got Final Cut Pro, then upgraded it. And now, those keys are useless.

I'm sorry, but charging full price for every 1.0 release just isn't cool, when those are basically the only releases you do. Upgrade pricing would be another matter, but Apple isn't content to do that, it seems.
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Apple is still not charging as much as MS for its products.<hr /></blockquote>Um, not in this case. WiMP is free (as is the basic QuickTime), but WiME (the encoder) is also free, at least in a basic version. Real also has a basic encoder for free. QuickTime is the only major media software out there that charges for basic encoding capability, and it's hurting them. If they want to be competitive, they're going to have to drop the Basic/Pro dichotomy, or at least add some more features to Basic. They seem to have forgotten that a huge portion of their own customer base is no longer content to simply watch video, a phenomenon that they themselves brought on via iMovie. Now it's time to offer them more capability.

King Bob On The Cob · Jul 15, 2002, 11:01 PM

Apple has to pay for each license of MPEG-4... So who's going to flip that bill? (And apple gives out free encoders for audio and video on their OS [iTunes and iMovie] and Microsoft give theirs for free on their OS. You can't get the other for free on the other OS. Nothing new here.)

Jerommeke · Jul 15, 2002, 11:25 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Developer:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jerommeke:

And Apple's servers are busy �r not responding. <img border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" title="" src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>Download the English Version. They are all international anyway.<hr /></blockquote>so... the english one has dutch support too?

Ken_F2 · Jul 16, 2002, 12:08 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Apple just beat them at their own game by posting QuickTime 6 for download.
<a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download</a>
<hr /></blockquote>Just to play devil's advocate...

The major change in QT6 is MPEG4 support. Microsoft's WMP has had MPEG4 support for months. MS is touting its "Corona" as a generation beyond MPEG4. Now, that's probably just PR / over-optimism, but Corona does have some nice improvements over Apple's MPEG4, namely:

Support for streaming web-based delivery of 6 channel surround sound with full-spectrum, full resolution audio (24 bit / 96 kHz sampling); played using PC surround speakers, or output to hometheater system. This will enable all manner of streaming video broadcasts with 5.1 audio.</li>

Optimized to support streaming of 1280x720p and 1920x1080p HDTV with 5.1 audio. Standard MPEG4, like Apple and MS now support, is designed to improve size/quality ratios for lower resolutions of <=640x480; it is not at all optimized for higher definition material. Microsoft has taken "Corona" farther and also optimized it for HDTV resolutions. For the first time, streaming 1280x720P HDTV content will be possible in sizes comparable to current 640x480 streams (640x480 is the resolution used in "full screen" streams on Apple's movie trailer site right now). This just isn't possible with Apple's QT6 MPEG4 implementation.</li>

A new method of push-streaming in "Corona," not yet incorporated by anyone else (but Real is working on a version of their own), claims to eliminate the so-called "buffering delays." </li>

Cirrus Logic, ESS Technology, and LSI Logic--the chipmakers that produce the parts for DVD players and home theater receivers--have announced that they'll add support for Corona in their new chips coming this fall, to be used in consumer DVD players and hometheater receivers. MS is pushing the DVD Forum to embrace "Corona," and many expect it to do so, making it part of the DVD standard. This is one of the proposals to deliver HDTV using existing DVD disk technology. </li>

<a href="http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/1014161" target="_blank">Both nVidia and ATI have agreed</a> to incorporate specific hardware acceleration for "Corona" (i.e. the streaming HDTV) in their next-generation products; this includes the Radeon 9700/10000 (to be announced Wendes), as well as the next-generation nVidia graphics card coming this fall. As for audio, Accom, Adobe, Avid, Creative Labs, Discreet, Drastic Technologies, Echo Audio, M-Audio/Midiman, Steinberg, Syntrillium and Winnov have all agreed to incorporate "Corona" support and authoring in their video software (i.e. Adobe Premiere 7) and hardware products (for additional hardware acceleration of streaming 5.1 Corona audio).</li>

In summary, "Corona" should improve the streaming video experience considerably for Windows (and eventually Mac, if the hardware is up to it) users. While it probably won't offer much, if anything, over the industry standard MPEG4 codec used by Apple at lower resolutions, or even DVD resolution, it will enable those with high-speed cable and DSL connections to watch streaming HDTV (1280x720p) with 5.1 audio. That's simply not possible with Apple's QT6 implementation.
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No doubt, the hardware requirements for the high-definition streams with 5.1 surround audio will be higher, and it remains to be seen just how fast a PC will be required to see and hear the best content. Will a 1.5GHz or better PC be required? Obviously, ATI and nVidia hope to cash in by selling new graphics cards with additional hardware acceleration for the streaming HD, while Creative Labs, MAudio/Midiman, and Nvidia will sell new sound cards with additional acceleration for Corona's 5.1 surround audio.
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For more information on "Corona," see <a href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/default.asp" target="_blank">this page</a>

Ken_F2 · Jul 16, 2002, 12:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Apple has to pay for each license of MPEG-4... So who's going to flip that bill? (And apple gives out free encoders for audio and video on their OS [iTunes and iMovie] and Microsoft give theirs for free on their OS. You can't get the other for free on the other OS. Nothing new here.) <hr /></blockquote>As reported today on Cnet, the costs for including MPEG4 technology in a decoder/encoder (like Quicktime) is 25 cents per user, with a $1 million annual cap (maximum). And these fees only apply if there are more than 50,000 decoders/encoders distributed. Obviously, Apple will be paying the $1 million per year anyway, so I just don't see why they can't make MPEG4 free like MS does.

In order to use Apple's newest Quicktime MPEG4 on a web site (that is for commercial/company purposes), webmasters must license the latest video and audio compression format for 25 cents per viewer or 2 cents per hour, subject to a $1 million annual cap. That said, sites with fewer than 50,000 subscribers/viewers are exempt from the royalties (doesn't cost them a dime).

cowerd · Jul 16, 2002, 01:43 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />The major change in QT6 is MPEG4 support. Microsoft's WMP has had MPEG4 support for months.

SNIP

while Creative Labs, MAudio/Midiman, and Nvidia will sell new sound cards with additional acceleration for Corona's 5.1 surround audio.<hr /></blockquote>Hate to sound like a little Mac fanboy, but what the hell...
I'll wait for the release to pass judgement. Typically MS products follow a pattern of announcing many major technical breakthroughs only to have them slowly disappear in the development process. We'll see if release Corona == preannounce Corona.

PS: Apparently people not charging for MPEG4 products, i.e. streaming free [as in beer], will also not have to pay royalities.

[ 07-16-2002, 01:44 AM: Message edited by: cowerd ]

seb2 · Jul 16, 2002, 03:38 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jerommeke:
so... the english one has dutch support too?

<hr /></blockquote>no, but apple's download page is somewhat unintuitive. i also tried for quite some time to download the german version and only got server (!) errors.

then i decided to at least give the english version a try. and well, for mac os x, the only installer there is is the english one which in fact is the one you need no matter what language you want because it contains all localizations.

but you have to figure that out first.

usability score: 0

Gee4orce · Jul 16, 2002, 03:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Apple just beat them at their own game by posting QuickTime 6 for download.
<a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download" target="_blank">http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download</a>
<hr /></blockquote>Just to play devil's advocate...

The major change in QT6 is MPEG4 support. Microsoft's WMP has had MPEG4 support for months. MS is touting its "Corona" as a generation beyond MPEG4. Now, that's probably just PR / over-optimism, but Corona does have some nice improvements over Apple's MPEG4, namely:

Optimized to support streaming of 1280x720p and 1920x1080p HDTV with 5.1 audio. Standard MPEG4, like Apple and MS now support, is designed to improve size/quality ratios for lower resolutions of <=640x480; it is not at all optimized for higher definition material. Microsoft has taken "Corona" farther and also optimized it for HDTV resolutions. For the first time, streaming 1280x720P HDTV content will be possible in sizes comparable to current 640x480 streams (640x480 is the resolution used in "full screen" streams on Apple's movie trailer site right now). This just isn't possible with Apple's QT6 MPEG4 implementation.</li>

Cirrus Logic, ESS Technology, and LSI Logic--the chipmakers that produce the parts for DVD players and home theater receivers--have announced that they'll add support for Corona in their new chips coming this fall, to be used in consumer DVD players and hometheater receivers. MS is pushing the DVD Forum to embrace "Corona," and many expect it to do so, making it part of the DVD standard. This is one of the proposals to deliver HDTV using existing DVD disk technology. </li>

</li>
<a href="http://www.internetnews.com/infra/article.php/1014161" target="_blank">Both nVidia and ATI have agreed</a> to incorporate specific hardware acceleration for "Corona" (i.e. the streaming HDTV) in their next-generation products; this includes the Radeon 9700/10000 (to be announced Wendes), as well as the next-generation nVidia graphics card coming this fall. As for audio, Accom, Adobe, Avid, Creative Labs, Discreet, Drastic Technologies, Echo Audio, M-Audio/Midiman, Steinberg, Syntrillium and Winnov have all agreed to incorporate "Corona" support and authoring in their video software (i.e. Adobe Premiere 7) and hardware products (for additional hardware acceleration of streaming 5.1 Corona audio).

In summary, "Corona" should improve the streaming video experience considerably for Windows (and eventually Mac, if the hardware is up to it) users. While it probably won't offer much, if anything, over the industry standard MPEG4 codec used by Apple at lower resolutions, or even DVD resolution, it will enable those with high-speed cable and DSL connections to watch streaming HDTV (1280x720p) with 5.1 audio. That's simply not possible with Apple's QT6 implementation.
.
<hr /></blockquote>Great. So we can clog up the internet watching TV.

JLL · Jul 16, 2002, 04:21 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Apple has to pay for each license of MPEG-4... So who's going to flip that bill? (And apple gives out free encoders for audio and video on their OS [iTunes and iMovie] and Microsoft give theirs for free on their OS. You can't get the other for free on the other OS. Nothing new here.) <hr /></blockquote>As reported today on Cnet, the costs for including MPEG4 technology in a decoder/encoder (like Quicktime) is 25 cents per user, with a $1 million annual cap (maximum). And these fees only apply if there are more than 50,000 decoders/encoders distributed. Obviously, Apple will be paying the $1 million per year anyway, so I just don't see why they can't make MPEG4 free like MS does.

In order to use Apple's newest Quicktime MPEG4 on a web site (that is for commercial/company purposes), webmasters must license the latest video and audio compression format for 25 cents per viewer or 2 cents per hour, subject to a $1 million annual cap. That said, sites with fewer than 50,000 subscribers/viewers are exempt from the royalties (doesn't cost them a dime).<hr /></blockquote>You are referring to the fees for the content providers.

Apple is paying MPEG LA $2 mio. for including MPEG 4 in QT6.

Ken_F2 · Jul 16, 2002, 04:47 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Great. So we can clog up the internet watching TV.<hr /></blockquote>It's not meant for watching TV. It's just meant to deliver much higher resolution than we have now, plus 5.1 surround sound, in about the same bandwidth as "full screen" Quicktime movies and MPEG2 files do today.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />You are referring to the fees for the content providers.

Apple is paying MPEG LA $2 mio. for including MPEG 4 in QT6.<hr /></blockquote>Perhaps <a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1023-944051.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">this article</a> at C.Net is wrong, but it says that encoders and decoders are subject to the exact same royalty rate as content providers.

elzinat · Jul 16, 2002, 05:01 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.

Mike<hr /></blockquote>you can use Quicktime Player 5 Pro with Quicktime 6 no problem. works in both 9 and X.

JLL · Jul 16, 2002, 05:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />You are referring to the fees for the content providers.

Apple is paying MPEG LA $2 mio. for including MPEG 4 in QT6.<hr /></blockquote>Perhaps <a href="http://news.com.com/2100-1023-944051.html?tag=fd_top" target="_blank">this article</a> at C.Net is wrong, but it says that encoders and decoders are subject to the exact same royalty rate as content providers.<hr /></blockquote>This is from MacCentral:

<blockquote>quote:<hr />The problem was not with the amount that Apple would have to pay, totaling approximately US$2 million, but the amount of proposed content royalties MPEG LA wanted to charge providers.<hr /></blockquote>

Ken_F2 · Jul 16, 2002, 07:17 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />The problem was not with the amount that Apple would have to pay, totaling approximately US$2 million, but the amount of proposed content royalties MPEG LA wanted to charge providers.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, as some of the articles point out, the big difference between then and now, is the fact that there is a cap for content royalties. The Cnet makes pretty clear that both content providers and encoders/decoders are licensed under similar terms. I think the $2 million figure might be a mistake, unless Apple is hit with $1 million cap as a content provider, and a $1 million cap (together totalling $2 million) for distributing encoders and decoders (QT6).

JLL · Jul 16, 2002, 07:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />The problem was not with the amount that Apple would have to pay, totaling approximately US$2 million, but the amount of proposed content royalties MPEG LA wanted to charge providers.<hr /></blockquote>Yes, as some of the articles point out, the big difference between then and now, is the fact that there is a cap for content royalties. The Cnet makes pretty clear that both content providers and encoders/decoders are licensed under similar terms. I think the $2 million figure might be a mistake, unless Apple is hit with $1 million cap as a content provider, and a $1 million cap (together totalling $2 million) for distributing encoders and decoders (QT6).<hr /></blockquote>I think it's $2 million for encoding and decoding alone ($1 mio. each), but since they're also a content provider they'll pay another $1 mio.

Lew · Jul 16, 2002, 07:41 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by elzinat:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.

Mike<hr /></blockquote>you can use Quicktime Player 5 Pro with Quicktime 6 no problem. works in both 9 and X.<hr /></blockquote>No it <a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/system_req.html" target="_blank">doesn't</a>. That only applies to the preview version <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />
<blockquote>quote:<hr />Posted by <a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/system_req.html" target="_blank">Apple</a>:
Note to QuickTime Pro Users:
QuickTime 6 will replace older versions of QuickTime. A QuickTime 6 Pro key is required to unlock Pro functionality in QuickTime 6. If you wish to use a QuickTime 4 or 5 Pro key, you need to run an older version of QuickTime. Prior versions of QuickTime are available in our Technical Support area.<hr /></blockquote>

elzinat · Jul 16, 2002, 10:22 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by GFive:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by elzinat:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by starman:
[qb]I have to buy a new f)(*#$(g Quicktime 6 key.

Sons of bitches. Didn't plan on spending $30 today.

Mike<hr /></blockquote>you can use Quicktime Player 5 Pro with Quicktime 6 no problem. works in both 9 and X.<hr /></blockquote>No it <a href="http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/system_req.html" target="_blank">doesn't</a>. That only applies to the preview version <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>try it. backup a copy of Quicktime Player 5 [ie move it from the default location. anywhere else on your drive will do fine]. install QT6. enter nothing when it asks for new registration info. reboot. open QT Prefs and see that your QT 5 Pro registration is still entered. now QT Player 6 will not recognize it, but launch your backed up QT Player 5 and voila! enjoy all the advanced features of MPEG4 encoding. didn't back the player up before installing QT 6? just reinstall 5, then 6 again.

P · Jul 19, 2002, 07:54 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by elzinat:
try it. backup a copy of Quicktime Player 5 [ie move it from the default location. anywhere else on your drive will do fine]. install QT6. enter nothing when it asks for new registration info. reboot. open QT Prefs and see that your QT 5 Pro registration is still entered. now QT Player 6 will not recognize it, but launch your backed up QT Player 5 and voila! enjoy all the advanced features of MPEG4 encoding. didn't back the player up before installing QT 6? just reinstall 5, then 6 again.

<hr /></blockquote>Should work if you just use Pacifist to extract the QT5 app from the reinstaller package. Easier than reinstalling twice, methinks.