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Marook · Jan 14, 2003, 02:48 AM

I know what mine is: Beeing able to change the Google serach, to say, Mac NN or MacUpdate...

(I consider missing Tabbed Browsing a bug..

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wataru · Jan 14, 2003, 03:27 AM

Well you can't have it support just anything. It has to be programmed in. I bet Apple will allow for that, though. Perhaps in plugin form?

Cipher13 · Jan 14, 2003, 03:31 AM

wataru: Chimera can do something like that, surely Safari will be able to.

Anyway... TABS dammit!

And brushed metal sucks, but that isn't going anywhere...

kafka · Jan 14, 2003, 05:12 AM

My vote is for Internet Scrapbook (and the ability to read existing scrapbook files from IE).

Being able to quickly save and a snapshot of any webpage really comes in handy.

...and tabs would be welcome, too. javascript:smilie('

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Subzero Diesel949 · Jan 14, 2003, 05:13 AM

TABBED BROWSING DAMMIT!!!!

I think I've made my point.

TC · Jan 14, 2003, 05:21 AM

Bookmark + history filtering in the same way as iCal.

Oh and either make it handle ftp itself or fix Mac OS X to handle it properly.

maguirer · Jan 14, 2003, 05:22 AM

A little halo around clicked links that open new windows, so when you close the window you don't have to remember where you were on the page. OW, Chimera, and IE all do that, and I've come to somewhat depend on it.

Zadian · Jan 14, 2003, 05:40 AM

- better cookies management:
I want to be able to accept cookies on a on by one basis and to accept cookies only until i quit safari. iCab has a very good cookies management.

- more contextual menu options

- more columns in bookmarks view

MickS · Jan 14, 2003, 06:52 AM

Cookie and certificate management

as2 · Jan 14, 2003, 07:14 AM

Certificate managment, and the ability to view sites with dodgy certificates (if you want) would be nice.

My University webmail certificate has never worked properly with any browser on the mac for some reason, and will not even open in Safari.

Works fine on IE on the PC, but not on the mac... very strange.

Adam

beni · Jan 14, 2003, 07:54 AM

Tabs!

Sharky K. · Jan 14, 2003, 08:31 AM

I am against tabs. If you want tabs use Chimera and wait for OmniWeb 5.

mitchell_pgh · Jan 14, 2003, 09:19 AM

Originally posted by Cipher13:
wataru: Chimera can do something like that, surely Safari will be able to.

Anyway... TABS dammit!

And brushed metal sucks, but that isn't going anywhere...

Well, tabs should be included (as an option that isn't on by default)

And I like brushed metal... I didn't when they started making apps with it, but now I do... It's not like iMovie 2 and all it's wasted space. Safari is VERY clean looking.

Coxy · Jan 14, 2003, 09:19 AM

Me too.

I'd like AutoComplete/AutoFill/whatever.
A loading widget would be nice, too.

Silky Voice of The Gorn · Jan 14, 2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Marook:

(I consider missing Tabbed Browsing a bug.. )

Can someone please tell me what magic fairie pixie dust is in tabs that make otherwise sane people spout nonsense like this?

dfiler · Jan 14, 2003, 09:51 AM

There's other threads for the discussion of tabs so here's the other features I want.

I want the tab key to cycle between links in the page. I surf from the keyboard!

Toolbar customization: I think we can assume that this is comming. We'll get multiple button sizes and optional text labels... like the other customizable toolbars. The beta's implementation seems like a place holder.

Adam Betts · Jan 14, 2003, 09:55 AM

Originally posted by Silky Voice of The Gorn:
Can someone please tell me what magic fairie pixie dust is in tabs that make otherwise sane people spout nonsense like this?

ROFL! You know, people always need something to whine about.

"No tabs? Nah, I'm not going to use it!"

When they added tabs support...

"Cool, new tabs! Nice but I don't really need it... What a waste of development time"

walrusjb · Jan 14, 2003, 10:36 AM

A little halo around clicked links that open new windows, so when you close the window you don't have to remember where you were on the page. OW, Chimera, and IE all do that, and I've come to somewhat depend on it.

It already has this (at least on my install) - though it is subtle. It renders as a dashed line around the link, rather than the form-esqe halo. Subtle, but I'm starting to prefer it.

GORDYmac · Jan 14, 2003, 10:48 AM

My short list:

1. EyeTV support (I know, that's not Apple's deal)

2. Tabbing to links and buttons along with text boxes

3. Integration with Sherlock, e.g., using the Google box for a simple search, and clicking a Sherlock button for advanced search within the same window. I envision this working just like the bookmarks overlays the current window now.

LeeG · Jan 14, 2003, 11:05 AM

autofill and scrapbook would rock - scrapbook is a tremendous feature...

Lee

jindrich · Jan 14, 2003, 12:35 PM

-TABS

-ability to surf thru the history/cache when offline.

KidRed · Jan 14, 2003, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by LeeG:
autofill and scrapbook would rock - scrapbook is a tremendous feature...

Lee

What he said.

I would, however, like to be able to edit file helpers. Safari can't view inline psd files and I wish I could add that. So I guess more configurations and modifications.

pobodysnerfect · Jan 14, 2003, 01:01 PM

I REALLY for some reason need a loading widget, ya know the two arrows going around in a circle to tell you the page is loading. I know, I have the status bar down at the bottom, but it is not the same thing, all the status bar tells you is if it waiting for documents to load, but no actual info is displyed telling you it is still trying to load.

I really don't like brushed metal, but metallifizer took care of that for me.

Some really cool custom icons, along with a customizable tool bar would be nice. Safari Mask icons are better, but really not that nice.

Somebody mentioned integration with Sherlock, that sounds like it could be interesting.

oh ya - scrapbook would definitely be very nice, and how about some consistent spell checking...

asxless · Jan 14, 2003, 01:12 PM

1- Username/password via the KeyChain
2- Tabbed browsing as an option

The biggest pain of using Safari is having to remember all the usernames/passwords to access various sites. I'm not talking about banking sites; just sites that require a username/password for access and do not store it in cookies. And managing multiple open/minimized windows is getting very tedious.

asxless in iland

voodoo · Jan 14, 2003, 07:43 PM

GZIP ability on webpages like Mozilla (shrinks a MacNN forum page from 100KB to 10KB and therefore increased d/l speed a LOT)

Keychain access

Tabs of some sort

Graymalkin · Jan 14, 2003, 08:33 PM

A feature/bugfix I'd love to see is window placement memory. safari doesn't seem to like when people have their dock on the left side of the screen. The starting position of Safari always causes my dock to overlap the window a little so when my cursor is moving around it the Dock magnification kicks in. Thus I have to move the window manually whenever I open one. The ability to set an opening window position would be useful.

I'd also really like links to be tab stopped because I too browse from the keyboard. I also miss Chimera's password manager and cookie handling. I find these two features pretty important for modern dayweb browsing. I don't like having to rely on cookies to store user information, having a keychain protected user/pass repository would be cool. Cookie management is similar, Safari's options are limited which is understandable considering its age but fine grained cookie management is important. I may want to block all cookies from ads.doubleclick.net but keep everything from amazon.com.

Random use of a smiley:

Jasoco · Jan 14, 2003, 08:58 PM

TABS! MUST HAVE TABS!

Superchicken · Jan 14, 2003, 09:30 PM

OS X.1 compatablity!

uhh yeah I havn't tried sarafi yet since I'm in X.1... but uhh I'd say things it needs, good tab system better than what's out there now... some user coustomizable features... auto fill can be REALLY useful sometimes... what else... OH and good keyboard shortcuts make a lot of them for things like up and down like I use page up and page down now a lot because of Mozilla but I used to use Alt Up and Alt Down and stuff... make it VERY keyboard friendly... like any good apple app.

EmAn · Jan 14, 2003, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by Sharky K.:
I am against tabs. If you want tabs use Chimera and wait for OmniWeb 5.

I don't understand people like you. You don't like tabs? Perfectly fine. But if you don't use them they don't get in your way! It just doesn't make sense why people feel this way.

Jasoco · Jan 14, 2003, 09:55 PM

I know! And they keep saying to use Chimera and Omniweb if we want tabs. We don't use Safari for our health. We use it for the speed! Can we help it if we want both speed AND tabs?! Sheesh! If you don't use Tabs, DON'T USE THEM! Just shut up! There are MANY people who DO want tabs and DO use them.

mjarski15 · Jan 14, 2003, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by Graymalkin:
A feature/bugfix I'd love to see is window placement memory. safari doesn't seem to like when people have their dock on the left side of the screen. The starting position of Safari always causes my dock to overlap the window a little so when my cursor is moving around it the Dock magnification kicks in. Thus I have to move the window manually whenever I open one. The ability to set an opening window position would be useful.

Window size and placement memory or save feature (like OW) would be great. Then tabs

Developer · Jan 14, 2003, 10:33 PM

I don't think it would be a good idea if Apple would ruin Safari's easy and elegant user interface by implementing something as cumbersome as tabs.

They should leave that to the geek(o) browsers.

Steve · Jan 14, 2003, 10:41 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
I don't think it would be a good idea if Apple would ruin Safari's easy and elegant user interface by implementing something as cumbersome as tabs.

They should leave that to the geek(o) browsers.

Seeing as how they have never used tabs on anything...

You also forgot Project Builder, which handles tabs nicely (although it's not for "most users...").

voodoosand · Jan 15, 2003, 05:42 AM

I don't know why this is, (and I can't find much help in Apple/support) but I can't view Flash files in Safari - I get the plug-in, install - nothing. It doesn't seem like many people are having this problem, so does anyone know waht is up?
Other than that wish, I would definitely like to see tabs.

Gul Banana · Jan 15, 2003, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by Developer:
I don't think it would be a good idea if Apple would ruin Safari's easy and elegant user interface by implementing something as cumbersome as tabs.

They should leave that to the geek(o) browsers.

Will people stop saying that? Tabs do not intrude in any way into the user interface if you don't use them! My parents both use different browsers, Mozilla and Chimera; neither of them cares about or uses tabs so they don't ever use them and they use the browser the exact same way as if it didn't have the option to use tabs. I don't mind not having tabs. But I do mind idiotic anti-tab arguments like that. If the option to have tabs was added and you chose not to use it, Safari's 'easy and elegant user interface' would remain entirely unchanged.

adamtki · Jan 15, 2003, 07:44 AM

What I want to see by version 1.0
- TABBED windows!
- Tab to buttons and drop downs (what a pain to grab your mouse for it!)
- No brushed metal UI. Looks awful
- Better looking icons on the toolbar
- Context menu for item properties
- View source in a program of your choice
- GZIP support for faster downloads
- Customizeable default search site
- Support for document.all
- a page loading cursor so you know that the link you clicked on is loading (arrow and small spinning beach ball?)
- AppleScript do Script method as in IE. I don't think Safari has it.
- Auto Complete. What a great time saver!
- better cookie management

What I want to see in the next major update:
- Splitter windows
- Scrapbook, this is a GREAT feature only availble on the mac version of IE
- A cache window showing each file downloaded (like Windows IE's temporary Internet files folder)
- Support for attached behaviors
- Support for the same CSS filters support as in Windows IE 6.0

TC · Jan 15, 2003, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by dfiler:
TI want the tab key to cycle between links in the page. I surf from the keyboard!

So what are you doing with your "mouse" hand? I've seen your desktops and I think I know.

Montanan · Jan 15, 2003, 09:42 AM

My list is similar to most of the others. In order:

1. Tabs, and the ability to bookmark tab groups;
2. Some short of shortcut feature for the address bar (like in OmniWeb);
3. Broader username/password keychain support; and
4. Better https support.

Oh, yeah: we really need the ability to *permanently* turn on the "check spelling as you type" feature!!

awaspaas · Jan 15, 2003, 12:39 PM

I'm against tabs, but only for spite!

ReefHobbyist · Jan 15, 2003, 01:15 PM

Purhaps this is more of an iSync wish but I would like to be able to sync my Safari bookmarks between 2 macs through .mac using iSync like address book does. And purhaps even be able to view them through the .mac web account.

Scott

Meteo · Jan 15, 2003, 01:45 PM

I want to connect to my bank!!! and to my provider secure server to manage my account.

it is impossible with Safari but I can connect without any problem to both sites...

[APi]TheMan · 02:42 PM

Most wanted feature: stfu about tabs. Safari doesn't have them, Chimera does. We KNOW you all want tabs so leave it alone.

Originally poste by Meteo:
I want to connect to my bank!!! and to my provider secure server to manage my account.

it is impossible with Safari but I can connect without any problem to both sites...

And for you, sir, what did you use before Safari? You don't have to go getting angry with Apple, just revert back to Chimera or Mozilla, or Phoenix, or Internet Explorer, or stop whining.

Sheesh.

Developer · Jan 15, 2003, 03:00 PM

Originally posted by Gul Banana:
My parents both use different browsers, Mozilla and Chimera; neither of them cares about or uses tabs so they don't ever use them.

And this is exactly why Apple shouldn't bother implementing them. Most users just don't care. The interface shouldn't be made more complicated for the majority of people, just because a small minority (yet a very vocal one) wants a dubious feature.

Jasoco · Jan 15, 2003, 03:04 PM

From what I've heard, I think most users DO care about Tabs. And I feel confident they WILL show up. One way or another. If not from Apple, then from someone else like Unsanity or something. I can't live Tabless much longer and I CAN'T go back to any other browser.

[APi]TheMan · Jan 15, 2003, 03:16 PM

Originally posted by Jasoco:
I can't live Tabless much longer and I CAN'T go back to any other browser.

And you can't stop whining either, eh?

I'm sure you must be frustrated with those of us telling the pro-tab people to shoosh, but can you understand our point? It's been a week... and STILL there are new threads being made about Safari and tabs of some sort, whether it be a request, a poll, a question whether Hyatt said tabs or not, etc.

Sheesh.

Jasoco · Jan 15, 2003, 03:36 PM

I haven't started any Tab threads. But I sure do like to post in them.

TABS!

Guy Incognito · Jan 15, 2003, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Jasoco:
From what I've heard, I think most users DO care about Tabs. And I feel confident they WILL show up. One way or another. If not from Apple, then from someone else like Unsanity or something. I can't live Tabless much longer and I CAN'T go back to any other browser.

The only reason why it *looks* like most users want tabbed-browsing was well explained by Developer. This minority is so vocal that they make it seem like the whole world wants tabs.

While others who don't give a crap don't bother posting their point of view on the matter...don't even know how to work a web forum...

Or they'll be like me, opposing vocally in hopes that developers don't misinterpret little vocal minorities on geeky web forums as the majority of the normal computer-user population.

bluedog · 04:45 PM

Originally posted by Marook:
I know what mine is: Beeing able to change the Google serach, to say, Mac NN or MacUpdate...

(I consider missing Tabbed Browsing a bug.. )

You CAN do this, try typing this into the google search field on Safari:

site:www.macnn.com +Powerbook

Then try:

site:www.macupdate.com printer

It should only return pages from each site. Enjoy! Look into the advanced seach options from google, they can really help limit your search results!