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fisherKing · Jul 18, 2007, 06:42 PM

i've been using a my yahoo page, and yahoo mail for about 8 years or so.
the mail beta, as some of you know, has yet to support safari.

tonite, the 'my yahoo' beta is up, and...does not support safari (altho, so far, it does seem to work).

it's 2007! why isn't yahoo supporting safari? it's the default browser for os x...

just annoying, and...surprising.
how hard is it to support mac users??

Suikolove · Jul 18, 2007, 07:09 PM

Well, I'm pretty sure they've assumed that Mac users would be using other browsers.

besson3c · Jul 18, 2007, 07:11 PM

Not to defend Yahoo, but Safari 2 has had some serious Javascript issues that have prevented it from working with a number of applications.

fisherKing · Jul 18, 2007, 07:13 PM

Originally Posted by Suikolove

Well, I'm pretty sure they've assumed that Mac users would be using other browsers.

i'm thinking of a basic mac user, who uses his machine with the default apps...
how many people is that?
safari has a huge user base.
it's just hard to believe that yahoo is not supporting the default browser for the mac..!

Suikolove · Jul 18, 2007, 07:15 PM

Well, my website design instructor told me to make sure my websites work in IE and FireFox, and not bother with the rest. They might have the same mentality.

mduell · Jul 18, 2007, 07:29 PM

Despite the numbers Steve puts out there, Safari is a tiny little niche browser.

W3Schools puts it at 1.3% (actually Safari + Konqueror combined, but I assume Konqueror is even smaller than Safari) and declining (from 1.7% in Jan).

besson3c · Jul 18, 2007, 07:30 PM

Just use Firefox and be thankful that it isn't Windows IE only like many pages were in years past...

allblue · Jul 18, 2007, 07:35 PM

I opened my Yahoo account five minutes after getting online nearly nine years ago, it's been my one consistent email address and so don't want to lose it. I've reconciled myself to having none of the bells and whistles available to IE users, but periodically I simply cannot get into it, specifically if the 24 hour period has elapsed when I am offline, so have to go through the https log-in screen. I get the "Safari cannot connect to server" error message (if I'm online, and I get the 'You have to log in again 'screen from within Yahoo it's not a problem.) Fed up with this, I decided to give Firefox another a look a few days ago, and must say I am impressed, so I might stick with FF for a while. Hopefully, Safari on the iPhone will drag it more into the mainstream and these problems will go away.

Chuckit · Jul 18, 2007, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

Despite the numbers Steve puts out there, Safari is a tiny little niche browser.

W3Schools puts it at 1.3% (actually Safari + Konqueror combined, but I assume Konqueror is even smaller than Safari) and declining (from 1.7% in Jan).

And what is the margin of error there?

Rumor · Jul 18, 2007, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Suikolove

Well, my website design instructor told me to make sure my websites work in IE and FireFox, and not bother with the rest. They might have the same mentality.

He should be fired. The instructor I had a couple of years ago could not stress the importance of W3C compliance and cross platform compatibility enough.

TETENAL · Jul 18, 2007, 08:26 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

Despite the numbers Steve puts out there, Safari is a tiny little niche browser.

W3Schools puts it at 1.3% (actually Safari + Konqueror combined, but I assume Konqueror is even smaller than Safari) and declining (from 1.7% in Jan).

At that site and only there.

Measured over a variety of websites Safari's usage share is more like 4.5%.

http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=3

fisherKing · Jul 18, 2007, 08:34 PM

my point is; there are a lot of computer users (mac, pc) who use default programs.
(i use safari because i prefer it.

yahoo is choosing to ignore those who use the default browser on their mac, and those of us who choose to use safari.

am just surprised (and obviously annoyed!)...

Chuckit · Jul 18, 2007, 09:11 PM

You shouldn't be surprised. Yahoo cares about the Mac like I care about Microsoft. Launch went for years and years without support for OS X.

crazyjohnson · Jul 18, 2007, 10:00 PM

Have your Yahoo! account forwarded to Gmail and be done with it.

besson3c · Jul 18, 2007, 10:12 PM

I don't understand the draw to web based email clients, especially the so-called "free" ones that data mine your email, throw ads at you, whatever...

Is it that uncommon for your ISP to offer POP or IMAP access these days?

fisherKing · Jul 18, 2007, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I don't understand the draw to web based email clients, especially the so-called "free" ones that data mine your email, throw ads at you, whatever...

Is it that uncommon for your ISP to offer POP or IMAP access these days?

my main email account is at my website, so...i use apple Mail with it.
yahoo i've had for a decade, i use it for things i don't want at my main account.

but i DO like the my yahoo start, and (thanx to pithhelmet), it's (mostly) ad-free...

Chuckit · Jul 18, 2007, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I don't understand the draw to web based email clients, especially the so-called "free" ones that data mine your email, throw ads at you, whatever...

Is it that uncommon for your ISP to offer POP or IMAP access these days?

Is it that uncommon for people to switch ISPs these days?

besson3c · Jul 19, 2007, 09:30 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Is it that uncommon for people to switch ISPs these days?

huh?

Dakarʒ · Jul 19, 2007, 09:47 AM

He's saying people like having fixed email addresses that don't change everytime your internet provider does.

besson3c · Jul 19, 2007, 09:52 AM

Which I suppose the free email providers count on since none of them (to the best of my knowledge) offer any data import/export options, forcing lock-in.

Chuckit · Jul 19, 2007, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Which I suppose the free email providers count on since none of them (to the best of my knowledge) offer any data import/export options, forcing lock-in.

It doesn't really force lock-in, it just makes it kind of a pain to switch. That's OK with me, though, because the pain of moving mail around is nothing compared to the pain of keeping everybody up to date on my e-mail address.

besson3c · Jul 19, 2007, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Chuckit

It doesn't really force lock-in, it just makes it kind of a pain to switch. That's OK with me, though, because the pain of moving mail around is nothing compared to the pain of keeping everybody up to date on my e-mail address.

What's the difference between lock-in and making it extremely inconvenient to switch? I mean, if my cellphone provider charges me a fee to cancel a contract and I cannot move my phone number to a new service, is this lock-in or just a pain to switch?

Genuine, non-debatey question...

isleofjib · Jul 19, 2007, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by besson3c

Which I suppose the free email providers count on since none of them (to the best of my knowledge) offer any data import/export options, forcing lock-in.

what data are you talking about? emails? then this is true. however, yahoo and gmail (the only 2 i use) both allow you import/export contacts, calendar info, etc.

PEPPERRULES · Jul 20, 2007, 02:50 AM

Safari is unstable anyway. Try using firefox and you can take advantage of all the features.

Chuckit · Jul 20, 2007, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

What's the difference between lock-in and making it extremely inconvenient to switch? I mean, if my cellphone provider charges me a fee to cancel a contract and I cannot move my phone number to a new service, is this lock-in or just a pain to switch?

If you can't move your phone number, that might well be a lock-in. I'd say a lock-in is where, for all practical purposes, you are prevented from switching. Honestly, moving e-mail from one account to another (even when it's not made dead simple) seems far less burdensome to me than the actual process of making sure everybody is on the same page as to where they need to write you. Some people still try to write me at the ISP-provided address I used 10 years ago.

Suikolove · Jul 20, 2007, 01:30 PM

Also, IE does not follow standards from my understanding, so Firefox is better to use. Mozilla made a Mac version, didn't they?

EndlessMac · Jul 20, 2007, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by fisherKing

i'm thinking of a basic mac user, who uses his machine with the default apps...
how many people is that?
safari has a huge user base.
it's just hard to believe that yahoo is not supporting the default browser for the mac..!

That's because Macs are still only a small percentage or at least not large enough for some companies to even bother to support Macs. Also with Firefox being available for Macs some web developers become lazy and only test their websites on IE and Firefox only and say they have Macs covered because Mac users can simply use Firefox if they want these sites to work right. Welcome to the problems of being a minority. It's really the biggest complaint I have with Macs.

The main reason why I would like Macs to have a larger market share is there would be more support for us. It's a lot better than it used to be in the past but it's still nowhere near where I want it to be.

That's also the reason why I try to buy all my Mac software because I'm hoping that companies will see an increase in profits from the Mac community which hopefully will gives us more attention and support for Mac products.

EndlessMac · Jul 20, 2007, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by Suikolove

Mozilla made a Mac version, didn't they?

Yes but Mozilla is now discontinued. It's call SeaMonkey now but unless you like using an all in one suite I prefer to use Firefox.

TETENAL · Aug 27, 2007, 01:06 PM

Yahoo Mail is now out of beta, so Safari is now "officially" not supported.