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Stogieman · Mar 17, 2009, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

P.P.S. We just got MMS too. Not a big deal for me, but important for others.

3G iPhone users only. 1st gen iPhone users are left out. Same goes for A2DP.

slugslugslug · Mar 17, 2009, 02:39 PM

A2DP I can maybe see because of battery issues, but why leave MMS off of the original iPhone? I assume that's strictly a marketing decision. Does sending a vCard count as MMS?

Stogieman · Mar 17, 2009, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

No 3G tethering. DAMMIT.

From the engadget feed:

11:39AM Q: Where do you stand on tethering?
A: Scott (explains tethering): We're supporting tethering in the client side, we're building that support in. We're working with our carriers around the world. We are building that support in.

slugslugslug · Mar 17, 2009, 02:42 PM

I think the Spotlight thing is especially cool. I was just saying today that I hoped they'd add such a thing. I wonder if that's in the API too, so any dev could make their app's data searchable. That'd be sweet.

Eug · Mar 17, 2009, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by Stogieman

From the engadget feed:

11:39AM Q: Where do you stand on tethering?
A: Scott (explains tethering): We're supporting tethering in the client side, we're building that support in. We're working with our carriers around the world. We are building that support in.

So it seems they're gonna want to charge for it.

For some carriers, that's expected, but my contract already includes tethering... which I can't do because the iPhone currently can't do it without jailbreaking. I wonder what this means for my account.

jokell82 · Mar 17, 2009, 02:51 PM

I wonder what else iPhone 2.5G users won't get. I was hoping to hold off until the next hardware update, but I may upgrade earlier due to the limitations...

jokell82 · Mar 17, 2009, 02:52 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

So it seems they're gonna want to charge for it.

For some carriers, that's expected, but my contract already includes tethering... which I can't do because the iPhone currently can't do it without jailbreaking. I wonder what this means for my account.

That's a per-carrier decision. And you can always jailbreak to get around it...

ajprice · Mar 17, 2009, 03:26 PM

Good update, filling most of the gaps that have been the usual iPhone moans since its release (Cut/paste and MMS).

Can anyone clear up what bluetooth connections will allow with 3.0? I read things about peer to peer and bonjour, does that mean sending pictures etc over bluetooth to another phone or device?

olePigeon · Mar 17, 2009, 03:26 PM

Copy, cut and paste across all apps. Even supports copying photos into messages.
Landscape keyboard on all apps that make use of a keyboard.
MMS support.
Push notification via Apple servers.
In-App Purchase within paid apps and games.
Core Location now supports turn-by-turn directions.
Support for peer-to-peer connectivity.
Apps will be able to communicate with accessories.
New games announced (such as The Sims 3 Talk from EA).
Across the board Spotlight search.
Maps now accessible via API.
In all, 1,000 new APIs.
100 new features.
Loads of minor feature tweaks such as YouTube account support. iTunes account creation. VPN. Proxy support. Note sync. Meetings invite. Call log … and much, much more.
iPhone developers will see OS 3.0 now, general release will be “summer” - free for iPhone users, $10 for iPod touch users.

Looks like you guys got nearly everything you wanted, except the tethering.

Eug · Mar 17, 2009, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Looks like you guys got nearly everything you wanted, except the tethering.

Tethering is coming too, if your carrier agrees to it that is.

ajprice · Mar 17, 2009, 03:47 PM

They've also said that the iPod touch 2nd gen has Bluetooth that can/will be 'unlocked' with 3.0..

From Ryan Block on gdgt.com

11:43AM - Q: Bluetooth on the iPod touch?
A: Bluetooth is a capability we can “unlock” on the latest-gen iPod touch.

Holy crap!

starman · Mar 17, 2009, 03:47 PM

Looks like you guys got nearly everything you wanted, except the tethering.

And Flash

olePigeon · Mar 17, 2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by starman

And Flash

Flash can go to hell where it belongs.

Simon · Mar 17, 2009, 03:57 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

So it seems they're gonna want to charge for it.

Told ya so.

Simon · Mar 17, 2009, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by starman

And Flash

I actually consider not having Flash a feature.

Eventually the entire web community will thank Apple for contributing to Flash's demise by not putting it on the iPhone.

starman · Mar 17, 2009, 04:01 PM

Whether you like Flash or not, it's an integral part of some web sites and won't work without it. I'm not going to argue for or against it, but by not having Flash on the iPhone, there are several sites I can't use.

::maroma:: · Mar 17, 2009, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by slugslugslug

A2DP I can maybe see because of battery issues, but why leave MMS off of the original iPhone? I assume that's strictly a marketing decision. Does sending a vCard count as MMS?

I believe they said it had to do with the hardware inside the phone. Different radio or some such.

Jason Chen:

Q: Is there a physical hardware problem on the first-gen iPhone that prevents it from doing MMS.
A: It’s a different radio, so it is a physical issue.

ajprice · Mar 17, 2009, 04:05 PM

Shouldn't websites offer a non-Flash version of their site though? Yes Flash is becoming more popular on the web for every little thing, but it should be up to the site to offer the HTML/Flash option.

Simon · Mar 17, 2009, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by starman

Whether you like Flash or not, it's an integral part of some web sites and won't work without it. I'm not going to argue for or against it, but by not having Flash on the iPhone, there are several sites I can't use.

Sure. And I suggest you inform the webmasters of those pages that their choice of Flash is locking you and many other iPhone users out.

Maflynn · Mar 17, 2009, 04:16 PM

to be honest, I'm not missing flash and its actually making my surfing more enjoyable on the iPhone since I don't have to put up with the flash ads.

Salty · Mar 17, 2009, 04:18 PM

I'm most excited about the push server!

Mac User #001 · Mar 17, 2009, 04:23 PM

That could not have gone better, really.

I'm more than willing to shell out $10 for this! Everything I really wanted plus the possibility of Bluetooth getting unlocked on my touch.

mdc · Mar 17, 2009, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Maflynn

to be honest, I'm not missing flash and its actually making my surfing more enjoyable on the iPhone since I don't have to put up with the flash ads.

I agree, I don't miss flash on the iPhone.
Once in a while you get to a site which has a flash splash screen and that blocks you from getting to the site. When that happens I send the website an email telling them that they should add an html "skip intro" link.

Eug · Mar 17, 2009, 05:27 PM

The lack of Flash support is one of my biggest gripes with the iPhone.

And regardless if you personally miss it or not, it's one of the most often mentioned deficiencies of surfing on the iPhone.

I agree that sites should be better built to support non-Flash-enabled browsers, but the bottom line is that Flash is basically ubiquitous these days.

exca1ibur · Mar 17, 2009, 05:37 PM

Lack of Flash is a blessing. If they do add Flash I hope there is an option to turn it off.

ctt1wbw · Mar 17, 2009, 05:46 PM

Wow, this isn't on page 78 of complete whining and bitching yet? You mean I see some Apple product or update that people aren't bitching about yet? Well I'll be...

Eug · Mar 17, 2009, 05:50 PM

On another forum:

"I downloaded OS 3.0 and in the advisory doc it says any phones that have 3.0 installed on them will be locked as beta phones and you won't be able to downgrade back to 2.x. You also can't dev for 2.x with a 3.0 phone."

Originally Posted by exca1ibur

If they do add Flash I hope there is an option to turn it off.

Oh I agree totally. Best of both worlds. Options are good.

B Gallagher · Mar 17, 2009, 05:51 PM

What does the push server mean exactly?

turtle777 · Mar 17, 2009, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by olePigeon

Flash can go to hell where it belongs.

Seconded and thirded.

-t

Big Mac · Mar 17, 2009, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by B Gallagher

What does the push server mean exactly?

I think that's the long promised background notification feature promised to developers when the developer kit was originally announced, which will let applications to remain somewhat alive in the background without consuming too much in phone resources.

So yea or nay on landscape email and texting? That seems like a no-brainer.

starman · Mar 17, 2009, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

Sure. And I suggest you inform the webmasters of those pages that their choice of Flash is locking you and many other iPhone users out.

I'll get right on that. Especially the flash animation sites that are, you know, FLASH BASED.

jokell82 · Mar 17, 2009, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Eug

On another forum:

"I downloaded OS 3.0 and in the advisory doc it says any phones that have 3.0 installed on them will be locked as beta phones and you won't be able to downgrade back to 2.x. You also can't dev for 2.x with a 3.0 phone."

Guess I won't be downloading this one early...

frdmfghtr · Mar 17, 2009, 08:25 PM

Lots of good things in iPhone 3.0!

BUT...

We can sync calendars, notes, contacts...how about To Do lists?

kenna · Mar 17, 2009, 09:24 PM

Sweet, looks like I'm going to be purchasing an iPhone this summer, hopefully a 3rd gen device!

Eriamjh · Mar 17, 2009, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stogieman

3G iPhone users only. 1st gen iPhone users are left out. Same goes for A2DP.

Was A2Dp specifically mentioned to not be supported on the iPhone 1G? That's the only feature I want!

Hg2491 · Mar 17, 2009, 10:32 PM

Originally Posted by ajprice

They've also said that the iPod touch 2nd gen has Bluetooth that can/will be 'unlocked' with 3.0..

From Ryan Block on gdgt.com

I really don't get this from Apple. They include a piece of hardware that might never be used? I'm not complaining, I just don't see any logic in that.

Wiskedjak · Mar 17, 2009, 10:35 PM

It's for the delayed "Boom" effect.

Wiskedjak · Mar 17, 2009, 10:37 PM

To be honest, this update seems more like a 2.5 than a 3.0

0157988944 · Mar 17, 2009, 10:38 PM

it was (and is) for Nike+.

Spheric Harlot · Mar 17, 2009, 10:39 PM

Originally Posted by Hg2491

I really don't get this from Apple. They include a piece of hardware that might never be used? I'm not complaining, I just don't see any logic in that.

The wi-fi chip in the 2G iPod touch includes Bluetooth.

You can pretty much assume that they knew they'd be using it for ad-hoc multiplayer game networking at the time they released the touch.

Spheric Harlot · Mar 17, 2009, 10:44 PM

Originally Posted by ctt1wbw

Wow, this isn't on page 78 of complete whining and bitching yet? You mean I see some Apple product or update that people aren't bitching about yet? Well I'll be...

That's because it's pretty much *everything* people were asking for - except Flash.

The lack of Flash was to be expected, and everything else that would have made the iPhone a problem for me has been addressed.

...except one single thing I haven't seen: is it now possible to delete individual SMS, or can you still only remove entire conversations?
It's kind of important to be able to conserve individual messages, without having to keep a couple hundred.

Hg2491 · Mar 17, 2009, 11:41 PM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

The wi-fi chip in the 2G iPod touch includes Bluetooth.

You can pretty much assume that they knew they'd be using it for ad-hoc multiplayer game networking at the time they released the touch.

Isn't wireless more reliable than BT though?

- - e r i k - - · Mar 18, 2009, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

...except one single thing I haven't seen: is it now possible to delete individual SMS, or can you still only remove entire conversations?
It's kind of important to be able to conserve individual messages, without having to keep a couple hundred.

You can remove and forward individual messages now.

As a bonus, you can select multiple messages to forward!

Oh, and besides animation and games Flash can pretty much go to hell. Thank goodness we have HTML5 to take over for most of the crap Flash is usally used for. I don't miss it on the iPhone and I use ClickToFlash on Safari to disable it (unless I actively choose to load it).

B Gallagher · Mar 18, 2009, 12:49 AM

Originally Posted by Big Mac

I think that's the long promised background notification feature promised to developers when the developer kit was originally announced, which will let applications to remain somewhat alive in the background without consuming too much in phone resources.

So you can have more than one app running at once? Sounds great.

And agreed, everything else was mostly expected. Exciting news, it's just a shame we have to wait so long to get all this. But I too would like to hear whether to do lists can be synced or not.

- - e r i k - - · Mar 18, 2009, 01:49 AM

iPhone 3.0 installed thanks to anonymous benefactor. Taking questions.

And no, you can't remove the built in apps. Damn.

- - e r i k - - · Mar 18, 2009, 01:51 AM

Originally Posted by B Gallagher

So you can have more than one app running at once? Sounds great.

No multitasking, only push notifications. While this solves most issues with not having MT, it also means that you can't run Pandora or Tuner while doing other things.

It also means that your battery won't run flat in 30 minutes

Simon · Mar 18, 2009, 03:36 AM

Originally Posted by - - e r i k - -

iPhone 3.0 installed thanks to anonymous benefactor. Taking questions.

Can you post a screenshot of C&P in action as well as landscape mail editing?

Spheric Harlot · Mar 18, 2009, 03:49 AM

Originally Posted by Hg2491

Isn't wireless more reliable than BT though?

It's absolutely 0% reliable if you don't actually HAVE a wireless network within range.

Bluetooth is anytime, anywhere, no need for a base station or a router.

- - e r i k - - · Mar 18, 2009, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot

It's absolutely 0% reliable if you don't actually HAVE a wireless network within range.

Bluetooth is anytime, anywhere, no need for a base station or a router.

Hmmm, seems the DS is fine with connecting peer to peer over WiFi with no router, why shouldn't the iPhone be?

- - e r i k - - · Mar 18, 2009, 06:02 AM

Originally Posted by Simon

Can you post a screenshot of C&P in action as well as landscape mail editing?

Ah, the joys of beta OSes: Bugs bugs bugs