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subego · Oct 25, 2008, 04:42 AM

Came across this on another forum...

http://freedomthirst.com/documents/1...2012letter.pdf

This is Focus on the Family's envisioning of what America will be like after four years of Obama.

October 22, 2012

Dear friends,

I can hardly sing “The Star Spangled Banner” any more. When I hear the words,

O say, does that star spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?

I get tears in my eyes and a lump in my throat. Now in October of 2012, after seeing what
has happened in the last four years, I don’t think I can still answer, “Yes,” to that question.

This is probably my favorite part:

(1) Boy Scouts: “The land of the free”? The Boy Scouts no longer exist as an organization. They chose to disband rather than be forced to obey the Supreme Court decision that they would have to hire homosexual scoutmasters and allow them to sleep in tents with young boys.

Note that this was precipitated by the "Supreme Court’s stunning affirmation, in early 2010, that homosexual 'marriage' was a 'constitutional' right"

Rule 8: (shamelessly nicked from the thread where I found the letter)

Dork. · Oct 25, 2008, 08:18 AM

Wow. They use the word "homosexual" 32 times in the first six pages of that thing. They certainly seem to be obsessed.

The funny thing is that the ACLU thinks they have grounds to write a similar letter bemoaning the loss of the "land of the free" right now, without making stuff up about the future.

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by Dork.

Wow. They use the word "homosexual" 32 times in the first six pages of that thing. They certainly seem to be obsessed.

That's why I was so entertained by the Boy Scout part.

I want to see the look on their faces when someone confirms for them that there is in fact much buggering going on in Boy Scout tents across this great nation, but it isn't exactly between who they think it is...

It's sort of like telling your homophobic grandpa that Cary Grant was gay.

ebuddy · Oct 25, 2008, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by subego

Came across this on another forum...
http://freedomthirst.com/documents/1...2012letter.pdf
This is Focus on the Family's envisioning of what America will be like after four years of Obama.
This is probably my favorite part:
Note that this was precipitated by the "Supreme Court’s stunning affirmation, in early 2010, that homosexual 'marriage' was a 'constitutional' right"
Rule 8: (shamelessly nicked from the thread where I found the letter)

They're certainly welcome to dissenting opinion right? There are a great many people who oppose same-sex "marriage". The article was clear that this is entirely fictional, but based on precedent. Is their summary of precedent mistaken? Is it wrong for an entity to point out how their choice in November could affect their representation on the various issues raised?

My favorite part of the article;
Of course, there are many evangelical Christians supporting Senator Obama as well as
many supporting Senator McCain. Christians on both sides should continue to respect
and cherish one another’s friendship as well as the freedom people have in the United
States to differ on these issues and to freely speak their opinions about them to one
another.

ebuddy · Oct 25, 2008, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by subego

I want to see the look on their faces when someone confirms for them that there is in fact much buggering going on in Boy Scout tents across this great nation, but it isn't exactly between who they think it is...

How much buggering is going on in Boy Scout tents across this great nation? Were you in the Boy Scouts?

Doofy · 09:46 AM

Land Of The Free™... ...until you forget to file a tax return.

Doofy · Oct 25, 2008, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

How much buggering is going on in Boy Scout tents across this great nation?

All of it?

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 09:38 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

They're certainly welcome to dissenting opinion right?

You almost ask that as if I'm not welcome to mine.

I can't imagine where you could possibly get the idea I feel they aren't welcome to a dissenting opinion.

For the record, the answer is yes.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

There are a great many people who oppose same-sex "marriage".

And those people actively infringe on others' rights.

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

How much buggering is going on in Boy Scout tents across this great nation? Were you in the Boy Scouts?

No, but I've been in similar situations (isolated, young males). I assure you there's buggery.

ebuddy · Oct 25, 2008, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by subego

You almost ask that as if I'm not welcome to mine.

Like you questioning me on my opinion of Apple spending $110k on gay advocacy?

I can't imagine where you could possibly get the idea I feel they aren't welcome to a dissenting opinion.

I was looking for a double-standard. I found it.

For the record, the answer is yes.

whew.

And those people actively infringe on others' rights.

How so? Is the author of that article a legislator or is this an op-ed of sorts? There's all kinds of infringements on others' rights, why does this one seem to occupy the lions-share of your concern?

ebuddy · Oct 25, 2008, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by subego

No, but I've been in similar situations (isolated, young males). I assure you there's buggery.

See I thought you said "much buggery" to imply that there's a lot of it going on. As I thought, you couldn't have a clue. You're just assuming there's a lot of teh gay.

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

Like you questioning me on my opinion of Apple spending $110k on gay advocacy?

You have me confused with someone else.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

I was looking for a double-standard. I found it.

I imagine this is related to the confusion above.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

There's all kinds of infringements on others' rights, why does this one seem to occupy the lions-share of your concern?

Again, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I complain about infringements on all sorts of different rights all the time, even states' rights.

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

How so? Is the author of that article a legislator or is this an op-ed of sorts?

You are correct, I should have said actively supports the infringement of others' rights.

ebuddy · Oct 25, 2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by subego

You have me confused with someone else.

You know what subego? I apologize. I indeed got you confused with shortcut. I stand corrected. Egadz.

I imagine this is related to the confusion above.

See above, I'm off base. It was the wind's fault. I'm not getting enough sleep. The dog ate it, etc...

Again, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I complain about infringements on all sorts of different rights all the time, even states' rights.

This was essentially a continuation of my error run amuck. Apologies.

While we're on the subject though, are you saying gay rights should be a States' rights issue?

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 10:16 AM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

I indeed got you confused with shortcut.

No worries.

Originally Posted by ebuddy

While we're on the subject though, are you saying gay rights should be a States' rights issue?

I'm not quite sure what they should be (I haven't thought about it enough), but I'd say in most circumstances, going by the rules, that's what they are.

Of course, there's this gigantically massive problem in that one can get citizenship out of marriage, which makes it a federal issue.

Ideally, if our immigration was more free (which I have thought about, and think it should be), none of this would even be on my radar, except to support gay rights in the state which I'm living.

Wiskedjak · Oct 25, 2008, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Doofy

Land Of The Free™... ...until you forget to file a tax return.

Or try to travel by airplane.

turtle777 · Oct 25, 2008, 12:15 PM

Don't need a letter from the future, I just look in the past.

Obama's politics are the same that I left Germany for 6 years ago.

If you want socialism paired with some (*SOME* !) market-based economy, go to Europe. You'll love it.
Meanwhile, please let America be what it's best at: free market economy.

-t

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by ebuddy

You're just assuming there's a lot of teh gay.

I'd imagine what I would consider a lot of teh gay, and a Focus on the family member would consider a lot of teh gay, are vastly different things

To put it in a form less dependent on peoples' definitions, I think it's a pretty safe assumption that scout on scout love is at least a couple of orders of magnitude more prevalent than criminal sexual abuse by (almost undoubtedly not gay) counselors.

Honestly, if that's not the case, then the Scouts have way bigger problems than the ACLU.

subego · 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Meanwhile, please let America be what it's best at

Being gay!

P.S. I've always loved the "man, WTF did I get myself into" look on the army guy's face.

Wiskedjak · Oct 25, 2008, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Meanwhile, please let America be what it's best at: free market economy.

hmmmm .... have you noticed the global financial problems caused by that free market economy?

besson3c · Oct 25, 2008, 01:51 PM

What does the free market economy have to do with gay stuff?

dcmacdaddy · Oct 25, 2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by turtle777

Meanwhile, please let America be what it's best at: free market economy.

Would that be the same American free market economy that is going t!ts up right now?

Kinda scary if you think that's what America is best at.

dcmacdaddy · Oct 25, 2008, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by subego

I got this album when I was 7 or 8 (whenever YMCA came out as their big hit). My Mom thought it was fun to see us all sing and dance along to the songs.* As a kid I thought it was neat that adults got to play cowboys and indians and dress up like cops and constructions workers. (Although, even as a kid I knew something wasn't "right" about Leather Man.) I would be in my late teen years before I discovered the truth and it was my late 20s or early 30s before I broke the truth about the Village People and YMCA to my Mom. By that point she was merely bemused at having exposed her children, and her only son, to images of overt homosexuality and song lyrics about casual homosexual encounters in public gyms.

But maybe exposure to those messages is what makes me the homo-tolerant person I am today. I know in the abstract my parents are sorta tolerant of homosexuality but in the particulars they don't want to really see it or be exposed to it in any way. And my Mom has said as much to my black-sheep middle sister, the lesbian. (Her sexuality has nothing to do with making her the black sheep of the family, though. It's a lifetime of being a trouble-maker, a really white-trash-chavvy kind of trouble-maker. Which is surprising seeing how smart she is.)

*I think there is a YMCA gene hidden in humans. I have seen groups of young kids (age 2 or 3) spontaneously doing the YMCA dance--making the letters with one's body--without any prompting from adults when the song is played. I have seen this on more than one occasion.

subego · Oct 25, 2008, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by dcmacdaddy

*I think there is a YMCA gene hidden in humans.

This is what makes America great. We blow **** up good, and we're teh gay.

These are the two Americas, and except for the part where they can't get along (for which they are most assuredly both to blame), it's awesome.

I am 110% serious.

goMac · Oct 25, 2008, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by subego

No, but I've been in similar situations (isolated, young males). I assure you there's buggery.

(Eagle Scout here...)

In the many many events I attended in my youth I'd never heard of that sort of stuff going on.

I DID hear however about a lot more average "buggering" going on at the camps which had female teenage aged staff. In fact, I know a few of those sorts of relationships still going, and I know of one couple that actually got secretly married by a priest at a boy scout camp.

Scary stuff.