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gorickey · Jun 25, 2003, 12:03 AM

What's new in Sherlock 3? Any new channels?

GnOm · Jun 25, 2003, 12:17 AM

just a few observations:

install took forever, specially disk 2 (all options checked)
scrolling in Safari is quite f*cked up, seems like they are trying to implement some kind of smooth scrolling but in this version it's just bad
Finder is not as bad as it looks, I specially like the instant iTunes like search.
SystemPrefs cleaned up a lot, added some nice features (Network status in the Network panel, scheduled power-up is back in the Energy panel)
don't like the Labels implematation at all, don't know yet why.

That's all I can think of for now,

cheers.

tobster · Jun 25, 2003, 12:20 AM

In user accounts there is a feature that hasn't been implemented yet... it deals with what priviliges users have.... limited or not. No options yet since it hasn't been implemented.

Accounts pane is very different (as well as other sys prefs).

Apple Remote Desktop connection now seems to be included with the system. Nice touch.

And yes, again, speed is the most noticable thing for me.

- tobs

bgmccollum · Jun 25, 2003, 12:22 AM

Originally posted by jessejlt:
Screenshots:

homepage.mac.com/jshier/Command_Tab.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Expose.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Finder1.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Finder2.jpg
homepage.mac.com/jshier/Switch.jpg

Thanx to Jon for the mirror

i can setup another mirror and ftp account for you jesse if you wish. let me know.

bg

Henry Casey · Jun 25, 2003, 12:24 AM

how do you think it will run on this setup?

700 G3 iBook
640 MB ram
16 MB ATI Rage card

gorickey · Jun 25, 2003, 12:29 AM

Also, how do "Menu Bar" apps work in Panther? I know that Jag disabled some API stuff to not allow menu'lings to work properly (until Unsanity gave us a nice work-a-round)....has that been fixed or do you still need Application Enhancer to allow menu bar driven apps to function properly?

Thanks.

Chris Grande · Jun 25, 2003, 12:31 AM

Here is another Mirror for Jesse:

http://www.web9studios.com/panther/switch.jpg
http://www.web9studios.com/panther/command_tab.jpg
http://www.web9studios.com/panther/expose.jpg
http://www.web9studios.com/panther/finder1.jpg
http://www.web9studios.com/panther/finder2.jpg

bracken · Jun 25, 2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by kelix:
The install also deleates IE!!!
Yes you heard right... it deleates IE lol
Its nowhere to be seen.. safari is still v85

UPDATE:
It also deleates acrobat 5 as now preview does all lol

I still have IE in Applications, the installer did not delete it. I also chose to leave my user folder alone. Acrobat 6 Pro is also still in Applications. (I deleted Acrobat Reader 5 long ago.)

Did you do a clean install? Then perhaps Apple isn't bundling IE and Acrobat Reader with Panther.

zachs · Jun 25, 2003, 12:50 AM

What's on the 2nd CD?
Same as Jaguar (localized stuff, drivers, etc.)?

tRr · Jun 25, 2003, 01:00 AM

Originally posted by zachs:
What's on the 2nd CD?
Same as Jaguar (localized stuff, drivers, etc.)?

Yeps.

Panther fresh comes with IE but not Acrobat. I installed it fresh onto a 2nd drive in my G4. All iApps came too except iDVD.

Another thing i have noticed is that the get info box remembers the last thing you had open for all items.

In the faxing setup there is an option to let others fax from this computer.. i assume this would be a lot like printer sharing...

zachs · Jun 25, 2003, 01:02 AM

Originally posted by tRr:
Yeps.

Panther fresh comes with IE but not Acrobat. I installed it fresh onto a 2nd drive in my G4. All iApps came too except iDVD.

Another thing i have noticed is that the get info box remembers the last thing you had open for all items.

In the faxing setup there is an option to let others fax from this computer.. i assume this would be a lot like printer sharing...

Cool.
I'm gonna install in on my external 120GB LaCie.

So, is there any other changes to the Get Info box? Can you still hit Command-I to bring it up? (I remember in Jaguar betas you used Command-P

)

kelix · Jun 25, 2003, 01:02 AM

Did a straight upgrade... checked everything that waouldnt edit my current setup... very weird.

The secure delete will be fantastic!

kelix · Jun 25, 2003, 01:04 AM

Yes.. get info can be achieved by command-I

zachs · Jun 25, 2003, 01:08 AM

Hmmm...

Any new apps in the Applications/Utilties folder?

Is there still a Print Center app, or do you just use the prefpane?

Any new Finder toolbar items?

tRr · Jun 25, 2003, 01:10 AM

Originally posted by kelix:
Yes.. get info can be achieved by command-I

or the old inspector with option-apple-i

i've noticed the usual prerelease type errors (i've lost the ability to apple-tab in one of my login accounts) but its been very stable after the first two KP's i had

...

Can't wait to show this to my PC using friends

zachs · Jun 25, 2003, 01:13 AM

I doubt it, but...is there a new boot icon?

tRr · Jun 25, 2003, 01:15 AM

Originally posted by zachs:
Hmmm...

Any new apps in the Applications/Utilties folder?

Is there still a Print Center app, or do you just use the prefpane?

Any new Finder toolbar items?

Pref pane is basically just a pref for the printer u want to use and the paper size.... i was talking about print center earlier on in this thread and its sorta like in jag, but when u double click on the main printer list to see your printer queue it opens up a new app, with in my case a picture of my printer (and of course its cue). During my testing i've had it printing with that in the dock and without it in the dock.

Seems a tad faster, and a new option for scheduling prints.

I love the way the sheets now come in with alot of velocity and u don't just sorta watch them drift in

murk · Jun 25, 2003, 01:16 AM

FunMac Forums says Classic does not work. Is this true for you?http://funmac.com/showthread.php?thr...5&pagenumber=3

zachs · Jun 25, 2003, 01:16 AM

So how does the "Print" command from the Finder contextual menu work?

Also, have you tried scheduled restarts/shutdowns?

gorickey · Jun 25, 2003, 01:26 AM

Originally posted by murk:
FunMac Forums says Classic does not work. Is this true for you?http://funmac.com/showthread.php?thr...5&pagenumber=3

Probably a reason for that....OS 9 died a few years ago....

conny · Jun 25, 2003, 01:28 AM

Can you select to hide the new left pane in the Finder?
It sounds like you can still put stuff in the toolbar, does this mean that you can hide the left pane and it will work the same way as the Finder works today?

GaelDesign · Jun 25, 2003, 01:32 AM

My #1 question is:

If you have mounted Samba drives (or other Mac drives, but Samba's worse) and you shut down the remote machine, do you still get a spinning beachball for the next several minutes if you try to launch any new programs?

My current Jaguar machine becomes useless any time a Windows/Linux network machine is switched off, and it's driving me nuts!

Thanks!

Jared

Brass · Jun 25, 2003, 01:33 AM

Someone said that FTP from the Finder is improved.

Does this mean that you can write to FTP mounted "volumes" in the Finder? (they are read-only in Jaguar).

Francisco_G · Jun 25, 2003, 01:38 AM

It seems as if Apple listened to their customers and fixed all the major issues with Jaguar. They just decided to not fix them immediately but rather hold them until Panther. To give people a reason to switch.

Agasthya · Jun 25, 2003, 01:47 AM

New FTP icon

nagromme · Jun 25, 2003, 01:49 AM

Wow, thanks for all the info!

My Qs:

1. You can sort by date-modified in Save dialogs? Cool!--BUT can you do the same in Finder Column views?

2. Is there a delay still when you first click-hold on a Dock folder? Or are the contents pre-cached and ready for instant access? How quick does a long Dock-folder menu open comapred to Jag?

3. Can you "Minimize-in-Place" like in late Jaguar betas? Can you drag a minimized window out of and into the Dock?

4. Can you drop a file into a minimized/Docked Finder window?

5. Any new handling of menus too long to display? Or still the awkward little auto-scroll arrows at top and bottom?

I'll stop now

nbnz · Jun 25, 2003, 01:49 AM

Does Mail.app still send Resource files along with attachments?

xyber233 · Jun 25, 2003, 01:50 AM

Any opengl performance changes such as games?

Agasthya · Jun 25, 2003, 01:56 AM

New Command + Tab swither

gorickey · Jun 25, 2003, 01:58 AM

Originally posted by nbnz:
Does Mail.app still send Resource files along with attachments?

Ewwww, very good question....that is one of my biggest pet peeves in Jaguar...anybody know??!!!

moonmonkey · Jun 25, 2003, 02:00 AM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
New Command + Tab swither

What performs poorly?

Agasthya · Jun 25, 2003, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
What performs poorly?

Someone was discussing something in the chat...but believe me, its definitely not Panther!

nagromme · Jun 25, 2003, 02:05 AM

If others can fax from your modem over the network... that got me wondering about faxing and AirPort:

1. Can you fax from your laptop wirelessly, via an AirPort base station connected to a phone jack?

2. Can you do that while the AirPort is ALSO on the 'net via Ethernet?

3. Can you receive faxes via AirPort?

If I could have broadband via AirPort, yet at the same time use it as my fax machine wirelessly, I'd be in heaven. Connect both Ethernet AND phone and forget about it! (I need an AirPort laptop bad.)

Thanks again! (Nice super-simple aqua desktop by the way--is that from Panther?)

:haripu: · Jun 25, 2003, 02:42 AM

This question has been posted before, but no-one has answered it yet:

Do you get spring loaded folders/menus, when you drag an item onto a dock folder???

please, let it be so!

moonmonkey · Jun 25, 2003, 03:05 AM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
Someone was discussing something in the chat...but believe me, its definitely not Panther!

praise the lordy!

trusted_content · Jun 25, 2003, 03:46 AM

Originally posted by kelix:
Ok all... just installed DP1 of Panther from WWDC. All i can say is WOW!!!
This mother flies at unbelieveable speeds... im running a G4 700 with 384Mb Ram and this is unbelieveable!

Please tell me what youd like to know as im about to write a large first impressions piece..
Not happy tho! Itunes and all the other iLife apps were removed during installation!

Hi Kelix. Tehdely here.

I just installed Panther myself and I am nothing short of blown away. The number of improvements Apple has managed to throw in was way beyond my expectations. I haven't found a corner of the OS that hasn't changed in some useful way for the better.

JB72 · Jun 25, 2003, 04:01 AM

Originally posted by Agasthya:
New Command + Tab swither

I really wish they included a quick launch with that appearence. Like a key or "gesture" that would fills the screen with your faves.

moonmonkey · Jun 25, 2003, 04:02 AM

Originally posted by trusted_content:
Hi Kelix. Tehdely here.

I just installed Panther myself and I am nothing short of blown away. The number of improvements Apple has managed to throw in was way beyond my expectations. I haven't found a corner of the OS that hasn't changed in some useful way for the better.

The Dock?

Anything new with the Dock already?

- - e r i k - - · Jun 25, 2003, 04:55 AM

Oh man, I can't wait for my backup to finish so I can install it

Nathan Adams · Jun 25, 2003, 05:23 AM

don't forget to take some screenies of the save dialog, and finder prefs