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Mac Write · Aug 8, 2006, 12:20 AM

You will see.

reader50 · Aug 8, 2006, 12:33 AM

My vote is for the middle of June, or the day before Vista ships, whichever comes first.

TheIceMan · Aug 8, 2006, 12:33 AM

Do you have any proof?

mduell · Aug 8, 2006, 12:59 AM

I'm thinking January. Along with iLife '07 and iWork '07 at MWSF.

Perhaps a bundle of all 3 for the same price as the Vista Home Premium Edition upgrade.

TheoCryst · Aug 8, 2006, 01:31 AM

I'll agree with mduell. Probably a surprise release after MWSF. Though I'm doubting they'll go the bundle route, I'd love to see at least some sort of discount (ie buy Leopard, get $30 off iLife)

Mac Write · Aug 8, 2006, 02:10 AM

Steve said "Leopard will ship in the spring." Also notice that is the same day (Saturday) as 10.0 shipped 6 years ago…

eevyl · Aug 8, 2006, 04:44 AM

Yeah, January is the new Spring! Cool!

lilfordbmx · Aug 8, 2006, 07:14 AM

he's backing his original statement.. march is spring.

mitchell_pgh · Aug 8, 2006, 08:23 AM

While many of the new features look good, I think I can wait.

BZ · Aug 8, 2006, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by Mac Write

Steve said "Leopard will ship in the spring." Also notice that is the same day (Saturday) as 10.0 shipped 6 years ago…

As good as guess as any.

Interesting they are not going head to head with MSFT and Vista.

BZ

Adam Betts · Aug 8, 2006, 09:14 AM

Originally Posted by mitchell_pgh

While many of the new features look good, I think I can wait.

I've seen the list for top secret features and you will not be able to wait!

You will literally crawl for it!

BZ · Aug 8, 2006, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by Adam Betts

I've seen the list for top secret features and you will not be able to wait!

You will literally crawl for it!

Can you confirm FTFF?

BZ

mdc · Aug 8, 2006, 09:35 AM

After watching the Keynote video I have a feeling that there will be some really nice "Core Animated Goodness."

In the time machine demo that they did in the Keynote they showed that files in the Time Machine interface have previews. They looked really nice. Very similar to the iPhoto floating windows. Transparent Black rounded windows. The person previewed a Keynote Presentation.

Time Machine was built using Core Animation, and I have a feeling all the stuff we saw that was still very Tigerish (Finder, Safari, iCal, etc) will be unified and will have some very nice work done to them.

Personally, I'm excited for Leopard and I'll be installing it the day I buy it.

besson3c · Aug 8, 2006, 10:09 AM

I really can't seem them doing well charging $129 for this thing.

Moose · Aug 8, 2006, 10:18 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I really can't seem them doing well charging $129 for this thing.

I guess it's a good thing they won't be shipping the developer preview, then.

Landos Mustache · Aug 8, 2006, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by besson3c

I really can't seem them doing well charging $129 for this thing.

Because they haven't thrown the new interface at you yet.

If Tiger is the best selling software ever because of spotlight and Dashboard you can bet this release will do even better.

I don't know what the hold up is though. If the developer preview runs pretty well 6-8 months is a long time to ship it.

Landos Mustache · Aug 8, 2006, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by Adam Betts

I've seen the list for top secret features and you will not be able to wait!

You will literally crawl for it!

Ya right.

Gee4orce · Aug 8, 2006, 11:31 AM

I"ll say it again : Leopard will ship for ALL PC hardware, not just Apple manufactured.

Apple have proven with the Macbook and the Mac Pro that they can compete with other top tier PC h/w vendors on price, so they have little to fear from cannibalised hardware sales. Maybe they will drop in the short term, but I don't think so, and Mac hardware will always have fewest compatibility problems. Whatever minor losses they suffer on hardware will be more than made up for with sales of the OS and application suites - and don't forget that software is almost entirely profit, once you factor out RnD costs.

Selling an OS and an Office suite has worked out for MS so far, so there's no reason Apple can't make huge money doing this, and as MS are still mired in Vista, unable to get it into anything like a ship-able state, Apple will never have a better chance than this

Landos Mustache · Aug 8, 2006, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by Gee4orce

I"ll say it again : Leopard will ship for ALL PC hardware, not just Apple manufactured[/i]

In a way you are right but in a way you are wrong.

Last time with the Mac Clones they only thing they accomplished was bringing 4% new Mac customers... the rest Apple just lost business to competitors. Apple seems to be getting 50% converts in the current set up.

This situation is a little different but apple makes 90% of its money off of hardware sales NOT software and I don't think they want to increase their software sales with the expense of losing hardware sales and the quality mac image.

Not to mention writing all those drivers would be a huge expense.

Moose · Aug 8, 2006, 11:49 AM

Originally Posted by Gee4orce

I"ll say it again : Leopard will ship for ALL PC hardware, not just Apple manufactured.

No.

The reason why is quite simple:

Driver support or, rather, the lack of it.

While it's not terribly hard for Apple to write drivers for the rather small selection of video, usb, firewire, ethernet, 802.11, and bluetooth chipsets they ship, supporting the wide variety you find in commodity PC hardware would be next to impossible with a company of Apple's resources.

Is Apple gonna write a HCL for Mac OS X, or go with vendor certification? Seeing as you're prescient enough to know what's gonna happen, tell us how it's going to work.

Originally Posted by Gee4orce

Mac hardware will always have fewest compatibility problems.

I would imagine that Apple's tolerance for compatibility problems is roughly zero, especially given that the answer for "SCSI support kinda sucks" is "don't use SCSI, then."

Originally Posted by Gee4orce

as MS are still mired in Vista, unable to get it into anything like a ship-able state

Gee, you don't think possibly because they're trying to radically change the OS while maintaining as much hardware and software compatibility going back to 1981 as they can?

Where would Apple draw the line?

Simon · Aug 8, 2006, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by mduell

I'm thinking January. Along with iLife '07 and iWork '07 at MWSF.

That's definitely baloney. Steve said spring.

TheoCryst · Aug 8, 2006, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

That's definitely baloney. Steve said spring.

Steve also said that we'd be getting the FIRST Intel Macs around now. Instead, the transition is 100% complete. Just keep that in mind.

Moose · Aug 8, 2006, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by TheoCryst

Steve also said that we'd be getting the FIRST Intel Macs around now. Instead, the transition is 100% complete. Just keep that in mind.

More realistic for MWSF is fancy show-off demo and announcing the ship date.

imitchellg5 · Aug 8, 2006, 07:38 PM

I think that it will be out in March or April. Tiger came out April 29th, 2005, I wouldn't be suprised to see Leopard around then.

mduell · Aug 8, 2006, 08:48 PM

Originally Posted by Simon

That's definitely baloney. Steve said spring.

I missed that.
Whenever it is released, I expect an OSX+iLife(+iWork maybe) bundle priced at or below the Vista Home Premium upgrade price.

frdmfghtr · Aug 8, 2006, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by BZ

As good as guess as any.

Interesting they are not going head to head with MSFT and Vista.

BZ

If Apple did that...Leopard might never ship

imitchellg5 · Aug 8, 2006, 10:04 PM

I would be suprised if I am alive by the time that Microsoft starts shipping Vista.

Macpilot · Aug 9, 2006, 03:13 AM

OK, whatever you say.

Simon · Aug 9, 2006, 03:16 AM

Originally Posted by TheoCryst

Steve also said that we'd be getting the FIRST Intel Macs around now. Instead, the transition is 100% complete. Just keep that in mind.

That is a good point. However, for the Intel transition earlier was better, now its kinda different. I guess Apple wants to get a close as possible to the Vista release. They certainly want to be first, but not by a big margin. I'm 100% certain we won't see Leopard at MWSF.

Landos Mustache · Aug 9, 2006, 10:05 AM

Vista LOOKS pretty slick. You can pretty much bet the new interface will make Vista look 5 years old.

lookmark · Aug 9, 2006, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Adam Betts

I've seen the list for top secret features and you will not be able to wait!

You will literally crawl for it!

Hey Adam, welcome back.

chromos · Aug 9, 2006, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by Gee4orce

I"ll say it again : Leopard will ship for ALL PC hardware, not just Apple manufactured.

I remember watching in the keynote Steve making fun of Windows Activation. If Apple uncouples the OS from the hardware, you can be sure that they will need to have some form of activation as well to discourage piracy. Software is pure profit only if ppl buy it.