[SpiffyGuyC]

Hey everyone. I'm looking to upgrade the computer mentioned in the subject to the current 667 model, so I need to sell this thing. Send me an email or private message with your offer or questions if you're interested...I'll jump at a fair price, but nothing "bargain basement" - I'm a college student and need the the cash to help afford the newer model. So apologies in advance to those of you who think you can get a good working Titanium for under $1000...you know who you are and I love to see you trying on these boards <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

No complaints about this computer or its performance whatsoever (runs like new, faster than the 700MHz iBook a friend just got), but I'm a Visual Media major and can always stand to cut down render times by any means possible!

Battery still gets about 4 hours' life, 2.5 exactly on a DVD.

No excessive chipping or scratching on the case, back door works fine as do all ports, no hinge problems, never had a problem with the slot-load, or any of the other common issues with these things.

Guess that's it. Looking forward to your offers.

-S

[michelin]

I can give you $1050.

[SpiffyGuyC]

</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">Originally posted by michelin:
<strong>I can give you $1050.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="1" face="Geneva, Verdana, Arial, sans-serif">I'm sorry, there's no way I can go that low on a PowerBook ... a new iBook is $1200 with a slower processor, smaller screen, less RAM, no DVD...not to mention things like a PC card slot, dual display capability, etc. that this has.

S

[vmarks]

Originally posted by SpiffyGuyC:
Originally posted by michelin:
I can give you $1050.

and then by spiffyguyc
I'm sorry, there's no way I can go that low on a PowerBook ... a new iBook is $1200 with a slower processor, smaller screen, less RAM, no DVD...not to mention things like a PC card slot, dual display capability, etc. that this has.

S

Well, you could take into account things like:

The $1200 iBook you mention is brand new, not old and used.
The $1200 iBook you mention has a 600mhz processor, which is faster than your 500mhz processor with the exception of things compiled to take advantage of AltiVec.

By your reasoning, the Pismo Powerbook, G3/500, would be worth more than a $1200 iBook, because the powerbook has DVD, dual display capability, and the PC card slot.

Yet, we know that's not the case- because the Pismo Powerbook is aging, used, versus a new computer.


Of course, it's your powerbook- good luck!

[SpiffyGuyC]

Originally posted by vmarks:


Well, you could take into account things like:

The $1200 iBook you mention is brand new, not old and used.
The $1200 iBook you mention has a 600mhz processor, which is faster than your 500mhz processor with the exception of things compiled to take advantage of AltiVec.

By your reasoning, the Pismo Powerbook, G3/500, would be worth more than a $1200 iBook, because the powerbook has DVD, dual display capability, and the PC card slot.

Yet, we know that's not the case- because the Pismo Powerbook is aging, used, versus a new computer.


Of course, it's your powerbook- good luck!

I'm going to argue only because the PowerBook's not on the market anymore. So:

Yeah, you forgot that the Pismo can be upgraded to G4 as well, so it in fact has more longevity than a new iBook might.

And with all due respect, the G4 is going to kick the iBook's ass in Mac OS X, which is pretty much all that will exist a year from now.

You're following a flawed logic that any old computer is worth less than any new computer. You're talking about paint; the value of a computer lies in it's internals and in this case the PowerBook is of a qualitatively different order than the iBook.

Granted, a used PowerBook is not worth as much as a new one, even if the internals are the same, but where you're talking about features that are STILL not in the iBook yet STILL relevant, (the larger screen for one), it does not get priced lower than the low-end iBook.

Obviously it's a trade-off on the part of the buyer - you can have a machine with fewer features and fresh paint or a used one with a larger screen, more power, dvd, etc.

If you look on eBay, these PowerBook 500's are consistently hitting $1500-$1700.

Simply put, if the advantages of a PowerBook like the G4 processor aren't worth anything to you, then by all means you should go for a new iBook instead. Just don't tell me that a PowerBook is worth less just because it's worth less to YOU. For someone like me, who edits video, an iBook isn't even an option - it isn't good enough, it can't be done efficiently on a 12.1-inch screen and a G3 processor...point: the PowerBook IS worth more, just maybe not to someone who won't use its advantages.

But what you're saying is that I should sell a year-old BMW for the price of a new Honda Civic just because you don't personally like seat warmers and don't need a CD changer. Gimme a break.

-S

[vmarks]

No, I'm saying that it is reasonable to sell a BMW 5 series that is a few revisions old for the same price as a new 3 series. It's not as distant as a relationship as you draw between the Civic and Bimmer.

But again, up to you.
Good luck.

[SpiffyGuyC]

Originally posted by vmarks:
No, I'm saying that it is reasonable to sell a BMW 5 series that is a few revisions old for the same price as a new 3 series. It's not as distant as a relationship as you draw between the Civic and Bimmer.

But again, up to you.
Good luck.

I guess we'll agree to disagree In any case, the 'book sold for $1650, which seems relatively fair since it still offers a few advantages over the new iBook at the same price point, yet is still below the cost of the "ultimate" iBook.

For the record, I did a few "races" with a friend who had just purchased the $1650 iBook (700MHz)...the 500MHz PowerBook matched or beat it in every task...likely due to the G4's advantages in OS X, the extra 128MB RAM in the Ti, and twice the L2 cache. And when it came to things like effects rendering in Final Cut, there was no contest. The PowerBook (in general) really does pack quite a punch for a notebook - the 667 I have on order benchmarks higher than the new 800MHz iMac!

M

[vmarks]

Originally posted by SpiffyGuyC:


I guess we'll agree to disagree In any case, the 'book sold for $1650, which seems relatively fair since it still offers a few advantages over the new iBook at the same price point, yet is still below the cost of the "ultimate" iBook.

For the record, I did a few "races" with a friend who had just purchased the $1650 iBook (700MHz)...the 500MHz PowerBook matched or beat it in every task...likely due to the G4's advantages in OS X, the extra 128MB RAM in the Ti, and twice the L2 cache. And when it came to things like effects rendering in Final Cut, there was no contest. The PowerBook (in general) really does pack quite a punch for a notebook - the 667 I have on order benchmarks higher than the new 800MHz iMac!

M

Congratulations on making the sale!