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Amorya
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Apr 26, 2002, 05:33 AM
 
I just spent 2 hours trying to connect my Mac to a college comp - the network uses IPX, so it took ages to find a solution. (This was all to use a CD writer, btw).

Once I had connected it, the PC wrote the CD, and it sounds crap! There's jumps and skips everywhere! And I've no more money for another disk now! And it needs to be in the post today!

I hate my life.

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Apr 26, 2002, 07:13 AM
 
Did you use an 80 minute CD-R? If so, that explains the skipping...
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 08:19 AM
 
Originally posted by mr_sonicblue:
<STRONG>Did you use an 80 minute CD-R? If so, that explains the skipping...</STRONG>
why would that explain the skipping?

AFAIK, the data density of 80-minute CD-rs is the same as 74-minute ones, they just write further out to the edges, no?

My 80-minute CD-R's play just fine - the full 80 minutes.

More likely, the CD was burned way too fast.

Audio CD's don't have the data redundancy that regular CD-R's have. What the CD-player can't read, just doesn't get read and is interpolated by the CD-player's error correction. (this is why chassis and spindle assembly, etc. have a large influence on a CD-player's sound, despite all logical appearances - being digital and all).

Burn too fast or on a crap burner, you get plenty of write errors. Couple this with crap error correction and a mediocre mechanism, and you get skips galore. 2x is the usually recommended maximum for audio.


Another possibility may be using colored CD-R's. They do weird things to the colored lasers used by CD-players and may result in errors as well, depending on the player. Use plain silver-colored CD-R's for audio.

-s*

[ 04-26-2002: Message edited by: Spheric Harlot ]
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 09:53 AM
 
yep... pc do pretty much suck
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 09:59 AM
 
Originally posted by mr_sonicblue:
<STRONG>Did you use an 80 minute CD-R? If so, that explains the skipping...</STRONG>
Sorry man, but try telling that to my over 200 80 minute CDs that I have burned that sound perfect. The Software he used probably sucked *** ....

[edit: a$$ is blocked out now too? awww **** ]

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Apr 26, 2002, 10:19 AM
 
Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
<STRONG>why would that explain the skipping?

AFAIK, the data density of 80-minute CD-rs is the same as 74-minute ones, they just write further out to the edges, no?

My 80-minute CD-R's play just fine - the full 80 minutes.</STRONG>
All 80-minute CD-R that I've tried have not played correctly in either my Alpine CD deck, or my dad's Sony changer. They skip like there's no tomorrow.

74 minute CD-Rs, on the other hand, work perfectly well.
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 10:21 AM
 
Originally posted by sek929:
<STRONG>Sorry man, but try telling that to my over 200 80 minute CDs that I have burned that sound perfect. The Software he used probably sucked *** ....</STRONG>
(appending to what I said in the last post...) and I've tried EZ CD Creator, iTunes, and Toast. None produce 80-minute CDs that will play in my car.
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 10:51 AM
 
Originally posted by sek929:
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[edit: a$$ is blocked out now too? awww **** ]
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No, just sucking it.
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Apr 26, 2002, 11:05 AM
 
80-minute CDs work perfectly on my Alpine deck, my Sony SACD player, and on all my computers.

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Apr 26, 2002, 11:12 AM
 
Originally posted by mr_sonicblue:
<STRONG>(appending to what I said in the last post...) and I've tried EZ CD Creator, iTunes, and Toast. None produce 80-minute CDs that will play in my car.</STRONG>
Burn speed?

Other than that:
"It's not a trick, it's a Sony!"

-spheric* (has a pretty low regard for anything Sony not in the pro-audio domain)
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 11:17 AM
 
I burn 80 minute audio CD's all the time for custom mixes, and they work fine in all 5 CD players I have access to (Discman, DVD, Laserdisc, DVD-ROM in the G4 and CD burner)

The main problem was trying to burn discs over a network: NEVER DO IT. Copy the files to the PC and burn it there if you absolutely have to.

How poor does one have to be to not get another blank CD-R ?!
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Apr 26, 2002, 01:46 PM
 
Originally posted by ReggieX:
<STRONG>How poor does one have to be to not get another blank CD-R ?!</STRONG>
Yeah, too true.

Amorya, do you want me to paypal you 5 cents or something?
     
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Apr 26, 2002, 02:18 PM
 
The title! Quick, change it. TNproud2b will be around in a shot to defend his favourite room heaters.
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Apr 26, 2002, 02:47 PM
 
Originally posted by mr_sonicblue:
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Yeah, too true.

Amorya, do you want me to paypal you 5 cents or something?</STRONG>
Lol, no. I have more money. I just didn't have any more cash on me, and was meaning to go to the bank at lunchtime, the same time as posting my CD.

I got it done eventually, btw... the nice guy at Systems gave me a new CD (our networking staff at college are great - really helpful. The network's another story, though!), and I tried again. Turns out his FTP program was mangling my MP3s (It was set to Auto). I tried again with the command line program, and got them all copied, and it worked.

I think it was that, anyway (I couldn't check the MP3s on the computer, no speakers)... could have been the disk, but the software, while a horrible interface, seemed to work.

Just for the record, I don't really hate PCs, they just really annoyed me today. What should have been a 10 minute job took me 3 hours.

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Apr 26, 2002, 02:55 PM
 
Originally posted by Amorya:
<STRONG> What should have been a 10 minute job took me 3 hours.</STRONG>
Sounds like a PC all right...
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Apr 27, 2002, 07:15 AM
 
Originally posted by ReggieX:
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Sounds like a PC all right...</STRONG>
No. Sounds like a Mac user using a PC.
     
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Apr 27, 2002, 07:54 AM
 
Originally posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE:
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No. Sounds like a Mac user using a PC. </STRONG>
Ah. But how long would it take a PC user on a Mac, Grasshopper?
     
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Apr 27, 2002, 08:27 AM
 
Originally posted by Face Ache:
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Ah. But how long would it take a PC user on a Mac, Grasshopper? </STRONG>
before or after their "wheres the start bar" rant?
     
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Apr 27, 2002, 11:23 AM
 
Originally posted by scaught:
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before or after their "wheres the start bar" rant?</STRONG>
Is that right after they get off their tirade on how only old hippies use Macs? I got in that debate last night.
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Apr 27, 2002, 01:53 PM
 
Originally posted by Face Ache:
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Ah. But how long would it take a PC user on a Mac, Grasshopper? </STRONG>
Well... I believe the official chart is as follows:

Burn a CD on any platform;

1. Mac user who knows how computers work, has even rudimentary problem solving skills, and can follow simple directions= as long as it takes the burner to burn, depending on CD burner speed.

2. PC user who knows how computers work, has even rudimentary problem solving skills, and can follow simple directions= as long as it takes the burner to burn, depending on CD burner speed.

3. Dolt user who doesn't know how computers work and always blames the tool for the bad job they do= 3 hours** as opposed to as long as it takes the burner to burn, depending on CD burner speed.


** Note: time level may vary dependant on what stage of helpless consumer-whore bias user has reached and/or stage of willful ignorance of the opposite platform and eagerness to be a total lunkhead using the opposite platform in order to reinforce for themselves very dumb preconceived �negative points� about the opposite platform. IE: an ignorant PC user would do things like transfer the files through FTP in ACSCII mode rather than binary mode and take several hours to blame the Mac for thier own lack of skills as well.
     
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Apr 27, 2002, 04:15 PM
 
PC user on a mac = inserts the cd, tries to find a way to use a program to import all his mp3s into but complains, says macs are stupid, and gives up.

Mac user on a pc = inserts cd, accidentally overwrites it empty because the pc tries to format it, has no idea which program to import his mp3s with, no idea which other program he needs to organize them, and which other program to burn the CD
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Apr 27, 2002, 05:42 PM
 
step 1: Mac dolt uploads binary data over IPX network to awaiting PeeCee w/CD-burner.

step 2: Mac dolt unknowingly burns an audio CD containing 'glitches'.

step 3: Mac dolt blames PeeCee


*empty space*
     
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Apr 27, 2002, 06:37 PM
 
Originally posted by TNproud2b:
<STRONG>step 1: Mac dolt uploads binary data over IPX network to awaiting PeeCee w/CD-burner.

step 2: Mac dolt unknowingly burns an audio CD containing 'glitches'.

step 3: Mac dolt blames PeeCee


</STRONG>
What took you so long?
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Apr 27, 2002, 07:50 PM
 
Originally posted by theolein:
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What took you so long? </STRONG>
Being a PeeCee zealot is a fulltime job, nowadays.

At any given moment there might be thousands of instances of misinformation being posted by uninformed Mac-users...

but there's only one of me to go around.

I could use some help.
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Apr 27, 2002, 10:22 PM
 
Originally posted by TNproud2b:
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Being a PeeCee zealot is a fulltime job, nowadays.

At any given moment there might be thousands of instances of misinformation being posted by uninformed Mac-users...

but there's only one of me to go around.

I could use some help.</STRONG>
I'm sorry. I'ld love to help, but my room heater a.k.a. AMD trash can is broken at the moment.
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Apr 28, 2002, 12:39 AM
 
Originally posted by TNproud2b:
<STRONG>I could use some help.</STRONG>
Why pr�t ell would we need another PC zealot shelling out just us much crap as the Mac zealots? That's a lot of crap to shell.
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Apr 28, 2002, 12:44 AM
 
*walks into the room with a piece of **** , held up by a plastic tray, and dumps it on floor.. with tray*

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Apr 28, 2002, 06:50 PM
 
Originally posted by TNproud2b:
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I could use some help.</STRONG>
now that i am back in town i can help some more... i didn;t even bother with this one when i saw they were using IPX. that alone is the problem
     
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Apr 28, 2002, 07:37 PM
 
Originally posted by Nimisys:
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now that i am back in town i can help some more... i didn;t even bother with this one when i saw they were using IPX. that alone is the problem</STRONG>
Mind explaining why? I'm not a network person and I would like to know.
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i don't like the chatty nature of IPX, and the infastructure needed for a proper network setup. Not to say it has its advantages, but overall i much perfer IP networks. just a personal thing
     
   
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