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Mrjinglesusa · Jun 11, 2007, 01:54 AM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

WTF it still doesn't work correctly with yahoo! mail. And before you tell me it's because yahoo! is doing a browser check, I used the system requirements ignored url. Apple you've totally screwed leopard over.

That's what you get for using Yahoo! Mail. NO browser should support that.

Stradlater · 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by arcticmac

oh, and for whoever asked about testing 3.0 with 2.x, I think it should work to install 3.0 (522.x), and then download a recent build of 419.x from webkit.org - basically v. 2.x. Haven't actually tried, but it should work - the webkit.org nightlies come as (essentially) a copy of Safari that uses the latest version of WebKit (that's available opensource - right now 522.x isn't at webkit.org) instead of the system copy.

Or, one could (presumably) wait a day or two till 522.x shows up on webkit.org and install that alongside Safari 2.x

Let me see if I can find one, thanks.

DuckRacer1 · Jun 11, 2007, 02:31 AM

It's super slow here for whatever reason. Meh.

MRTrauffer · Jun 11, 2007, 02:41 AM

The browser itself is nice. I'm noticing faster load times for pages.

The only problem I'm seeing is a refresh problem with the iChat addon, Chax. Multiple lines of text aren't displaying until a response is sent or if the mouse cursor is moved over the chat window.

Stradlater · Jun 11, 2007, 02:10 PM

Have you considered that maybe your online college doesn't work with it?

Twinkie · Jun 11, 2007, 02:31 PM

I opened up the package in pacifist to see what system changes it was making to force me to restart. It gives you a new version of the dock application with dashboard built into it. In my dock, dashboard has disappeared from the left side. It also installs a lot of frameworks for dashboard and new java frameworks.

One step closer to the new dock in Leopard!

typoon · Jun 11, 2007, 02:34 PM

Also there is a interesting new feature. If you have multiple tabs open and you ctrl-click or right click on one of the tabs it has an option to add bookmarks for x number of tabs. Interesting...

It seems pretty fast so far.

Krypton · Jun 11, 2007, 02:47 PM

It now respects CSS styles for form buttons and menus; see the pop-up menu at the bottom of Apple.com.

Stradlater · Jun 11, 2007, 02:48 PM

Apple - Safari 3 Public Beta

Overwrites the current version, though it comes with an uninstaller.

Nice so far. Seems fast.

Find is implemented, as are the new tab features (dragging within-window and out-of-window).

arcticmac · Jun 11, 2007, 02:56 PM

Installs:
version 522.10.1 of WebKit (10.4.9 comes with 419)
updated version of JavaScriptCore (522.10 over 418.3 - incidentally, JSC appears to now get its own home in /System/Library/Frameworks/ instead of being a subframework of WebKit)
JavaScriptGlueFramework v. 522.6.2 (over 418)
WebKitForDashboard (private framework - contains only a single copy of WebKit 419 - presumably for compatibility with current dashboard widgets while allowing the new safari?)
updates Dock.app to 1.3.10 (from 1.3.9 - presumably so that Dashboard will look for the new location of webkit 419, rather than the old location, and possibly to allow dashcode to function - incidentally, not a complete version of the Dock.)

Safari is v. 3.0 (522.11)

Hope you folks are enjoying it. I can't say I intend to actually install it. Till I get 10.5

fisherKing · Jun 11, 2007, 03:01 PM

hey, u beat me to it by 2 minutes...you must have posted while i was still typing.
so, respectfully suggest this be the default thread for the beta...

so far, seems fast...

Stradlater · Jun 11, 2007, 03:05 PM

Fast indeed

Wonder what version of WebKit it uses, and how developers should approach testing in Safari 2 and 3 concurrently (before, I noticed that the latest WebKit and Safari rendered even regular things like text differently).

peeb · Jun 11, 2007, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

How do I drag a tab that's on the ">>" menu that appears when I have too many tabs open?

Either I just *don't*, or I'm missing something.

Looks like you can't I guess that's why it's a beta...

cgc · Jun 11, 2007, 03:05 PM

Still don't work with my online college.

peeb · Jun 11, 2007, 03:06 PM

Am I the only one having time-stamping issues?

mpancha · Jun 11, 2007, 03:14 PM

works well on XP.

mpancha · Jun 11, 2007, 03:19 PM

works well on XP.

tkmd · Jun 11, 2007, 03:19 PM

Its actually slower that version 2- oh wait thats because I had pith helmet going on ver 2. Man, I cant believe how slow the internet is with advertisements. Going back to version two until pith helmet gets updated to support version 3.

dzp111 · Jun 11, 2007, 03:23 PM

I wish it had a button for New Window and one for New Tab. It's what keeps me going back to Firefox. But the speed is noticeable.

delete · Jun 11, 2007, 03:27 PM

Hmm. Installing 3.0 borked Transparent Dock.

schk · Jun 11, 2007, 03:29 PM

Does Safari v3 for Mac fix the longstanding issue of flickering DHTML menu when placed over Flash? I'm at work without access to a Mac and noticed that the Windows version does not exhibit the problem.

Chuckit · Jun 11, 2007, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

WTF it still doesn't work correctly with yahoo! mail. And before you tell me it's because yahoo! is doing a browser check, I used the system requirements ignored url. Apple you've totally screwed leopard over.

Wait, how is it you're proving this isn't Yahoo's fault?

imitchellg5 · Jun 11, 2007, 03:42 PM

I got it as soon as it came out. I like it. Spellcheck is nice.

Krypton · Jun 11, 2007, 03:56 PM

It now respects CSS styles for form buttons and menus; see the pop-up menu at the bottom of Apple.com.

Try dragging a tab outside the main window, it's awesome!

ooninay · Jun 11, 2007, 04:01 PM

I'm using it in Vista right now and it has an OS X-style skin so it sticks out like a sore thumb amongst all my other Vista windows. Any idea how to turn that off?

analogika · Jun 11, 2007, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

Beta or not it's no excuse for it not to be rendering major sites properly by now. Idiot.

I fail to see how *you* claiming that Apple screwed Leopard over royally because the first public beta of an internet browser due to be released in four months' time doesn't work properly with some site makes *me* an "idiot", but that's probably just because it's damn hot here, and I'm tired.

analogika · Jun 11, 2007, 04:02 PM

This post-time-shifting is *really* weirding me out.

peeb · Jun 11, 2007, 04:05 PM

It seems very fast to me, I'm impressed - I love being able to drag a tab to a new window.

macflick · Jun 11, 2007, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by cgc

Still don't work with my online college.

Worked the second I clicked it.

Have to say this is a good improvement. I especially like the spell check too. Wish the soft metal look was included with the mac version.

analogika · Jun 11, 2007, 04:10 PM

How do I drag a tab that's on the ">>" menu that appears when I have too many tabs open?

Either I just *don't*, or I'm missing something.

Lava Lamp Freak · Jun 11, 2007, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by ooninay

I'm using it in Vista right now and it has an OS X-style skin so it sticks out like a sore thumb amongst all my other Vista windows. Any idea how to turn that off?

Same issue here. It is very fast, and I'd be happy to use it if it weren't for the interface.

arcticmac · Jun 11, 2007, 04:19 PM

oh, and for whoever asked about testing 3.0 with 2.x, I think it should work to install 3.0 (522.x), and then download a recent build of 419.x from webkit.org - basically v. 2.x. Haven't actually tried, but it should work - the webkit.org nightlies come as (essentially) a copy of Safari that uses the latest version of WebKit (that's available opensource - right now 522.x isn't at webkit.org) instead of the system copy.

Or, one could (presumably) wait a day or two till 522.x shows up on webkit.org and install that alongside Safari 2.x

C.A.T.S. CEO · Jun 11, 2007, 04:22 PM

Its pretty fast here (as I am using it right now), I'm happy.

kmkkid · Jun 11, 2007, 04:31 PM

WTF it still doesn't work correctly with yahoo! mail. And before you tell me it's because yahoo! is doing a browser check, I used the system requirements ignored url. Apple you've totally screwed leopard over.

analogika · Jun 11, 2007, 04:34 PM

Originally Posted by kmkkid

WTF it still doesn't work correctly with yahoo! mail. And before you tell me it's because yahoo! is doing a browser check, I used the system requirements ignored url. Apple you've totally screwed leopard over.

Get the handbook "English, Mother****er! - Your Language and You" and look up "beta" in the index.

kmkkid · Jun 11, 2007, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by analogika

Get the handbook "English, Mother****er! - Your Language and You" and look up "beta" in the index.

Beta or not it's no excuse for it not to be rendering major sites properly by now. Idiot.

Bet it doesn't work with Live Mail either.

Charles Bouldin · Jun 11, 2007, 04:38 PM

Anyone tried hacking the plist to get pithhelmet to work with 3.0? I briefly tried 3.0 but prefer 2.0 with PH rather than 3.0 without it....

macflick · Jun 11, 2007, 04:44 PM

*side note*
Switch to google (now you can use the tool when you customize a message) it works.

MRTrauffer · Jun 11, 2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by MRTrauffer

The browser itself is nice. I'm noticing faster load times for pages.

The only problem I'm seeing is a refresh problem with the iChat addon, Chax. Multiple lines of text aren't displaying until a response is sent or if the mouse cursor is moved over the chat window.

Update: just uninstalled safari beta, and all is well again.

fisherKing · Jun 11, 2007, 05:02 PM

Originally Posted by delete

Hmm. Installing 3.0 borked Transparent Dock.

yeah, a drag for me too.
cannot get it back! (even after uninstalling safari 3.0...)

aargh!

mdc · Jun 11, 2007, 05:22 PM

I like it. It feels faster scrolling for me. It doesn't skin with ShapeShifter though

tkmd · Jun 11, 2007, 05:34 PM

Too me without pith helmet it SLOWER than safari 2. I wonder if anyone else feels the same.

GSixZero · Jun 11, 2007, 06:26 PM

the 3.0 beta borked my growl notifications and my gmail widget, so I switched back to 2.0 after a few minutes of playing around.

Ozmodiar · Jun 11, 2007, 06:30 PM

It now respects CSS styles for form buttons and menus; see the pop-up menu at the bottom of Apple.com

I think they're doing that with Javascript. I'm on Safari 2.0.4 and I see a styled drop-down list.

tkmd · Jun 11, 2007, 06:41 PM

dbl post sorry

ooninay · Jun 11, 2007, 06:47 PM

I'm also very pleased with the inline searching. Firefox has had it for a while and it was a big plus for me for that browser, but Safari's implementation is even better. I must say this is the most appealing search method I've seen in a browser yet!

Chuckit · Jun 11, 2007, 06:51 PM

Originally Posted by Ozmodiar

I think they're doing that with Javascript. I'm on Safari 2.0.4 and I see a styled drop-down list.

That is correct. But Safari 3 does support styled forms.

MartiNZ · Jun 11, 2007, 06:57 PM

There still doesn't seem to be a way to get it to search for instance google.co.nz instead of google.com, but other than that it seems pretty similar and all still works

.

Managed to get it to hang twice on a work machine running XP, using the bookmark pane, but that's easily avoided.

Kerrigan · Jun 11, 2007, 07:29 PM

OK, for XP, there is a huge problem with my install of Safari 3.0: Settings and cookies are reset every time I relaunch the app. History is still there, but everything else goes back to its original install settings. Is anyone else having this problem?

besson3c · Jun 11, 2007, 07:40 PM

installing now