[imitchellg5]

I wouldn't call a 420 hp V8 powered Audi a piece of ****.

[Kerrigan]

Who in their right mind would want a 420 hp Audi estate? Other than Audi car dealership owners with families and dogs, I can't imagine anyone.

[IceEnclosure]

Yeah, any Audi posted in this thread would get OWNED and owned again by a new ZR1..
(although I love audis)

and Aussiemac - good job. We're not talking about the Z06, we're talking about the ZR1. And yea the ride will be harsh(bad? not to me). It's a SUPERCAR. Also, do you hang on every word Clarkson has ever said about all cars? More than any car program ever, his show is about entertainment and opinion.

Have any of you people seen, with your own two eyeballs, a 2007+ Corvette interior. Probably not, they're pretty nice. Want leather stitched everything? Go get something else, this thing is a serious piece, and it's not for 99% of the people that posted in this thread. Pussies are inspecting the 'Vette's interior, while real dudes are checking out the 15" brakes, the diabolical carbon roof, or maybe the 625HP powerplant. This isn't your coked-out uncle's 1989 Corvette.

There hasn't been an attractive Corvette since blah blah blah..

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan 

Who in their right mind would want a 420 hp Audi estate? Other than Audi car dealership owners with families and dogs, I can't imagine anyone.

Wagon=utility Horsepower=fun. utility+fun=awesome (even I get it and I'm a simple dude)

I'd take one. So, that's one.

[MallyMal]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

diabolical carbon roof

Ha! I like your use of the word diabolical. Makes me think of super-villains. What I really want to know is how this 'Vette sounds though. Since it's supercharged it will have a whine. But I wonder how this particular supercharger whine/V8 combination with sound.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by MallyMal 

Ha! I like your use of the word diabolical. Makes me think of super-villains. What I really want to know is how this 'Vette sounds though. Since it's supercharged it will have a whine. But I wonder how this particular supercharger whine/V8 combination with sound.

It will be a roots-style supercharger, it should have a bit of a whine - not unlike the Ford F150 Lightning and 2003-2004 Mustang Cobra. From the rear, however, it will be raucous.

edit.

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

Have any of you people seen, with your own two eyeballs, a 2007+ Corvette interior. Probably not, they're pretty nice. Want leather stitched everything? Go get something else, this thing is a serious piece, and it's not for 99% of the people that posted in this thread. Pussies are inspecting the 'Vette's interior, while real dudes are checking out the 15" brakes, the diabolical carbon roof, or maybe the 625HP powerplant. This isn't your coked-out uncle's 1989 Corvette.

There hasn't been an attractive Corvette since blah blah blah..

It is not being pussy and stuff like that, this is much like any Ferrari, they could be gorgeous outside but once you get inside, the thing sucks too much to be even funny, let's be honest, an Alfa Brera (best thing Italian has given to the world since Monica Bellucci ha!!) sports a way better interior than most if not any car from Maranello, how could anyone find that not laughable?

Anyway, I was not talking about getting leather stitched, that would be equally laughable for the guy whom this car is aimed to, but about the overall design of the dashboard, it yells I am kind of bored and outdated, I am neither talking here about placing there silly stuff that would only add weight to the car, but it just lacks style or good taste.
As for the exterior, I always liked the 80's Corvette so this is not an exception.

[hwojtek]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

Yeah, any Audi posted in this thread would get OWNED and owned again by a new ZR1..

Two words: live axle.

I don't have to persuade this. It's a proven fact. The RS4 with it's permanent 4WD will kick the Vette's arse repeatedly once the road ends to be a quartermile straight.

[OreoCookie]

The Porsche Turbo's laptime around the Nürburgring is also faster than that of the Corvette. The Turbo leaves the previous Corvette in the dust … 

[PB2K]

supreme Italian car interiors? maserati

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by PB2K 

supreme Italian car interiors? maserati

That's cheating !!

But yeah, inside, the Quattroporte has that 80s' Maserati tasteful feeling. Funny is they lost the four headlights which were so characteristics of them… it is like Alfa was smarter claiming that look for its current range of cars.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by OreoCookie 

The Porsche Turbo's laptime around the Nürburgring is also faster than that of the Corvette. The Turbo leaves the previous Corvette in the dust … 

In the dust? 2 seconds over that length of track is not dust. Besides, we're not talking about the Z06 Corvette.

but yea:

$122,000 US Dollars for a 997 Turbo, 7:40 @ the Nürburgring

$70,000 US Dollars for a Z06 Corvette, 7:42 @ the Nürburgring

Come on. Anyway, the new ZR1 Vette has new suspension and 120+ more horsepower than the OLD, 7:42 Z06. There are no posted lap times of the NEW ZR1 Vette at the 'ring(that I'm aware of).

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by hwojtek 

Two words: live axle.

I don't have to persuade this. It's a proven fact. The RS4 with it's permanent 4WD will kick the Vette's arse repeatedly once the road ends to be a quartermile straight.

You suck at the internet and cars pal:

7:42.9 - 160.207 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 500 PS/1319 kg, Jan Magnusen, (Sporbilen, jun,26 05) SUPERCARS.NET - Community Forums
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 RS, factory test driver Walter Roehrl (MOTOR magazine)
7:43 --- 160.173 km/h -- TechArt Porsche GT Street (based on 996 GT2) 620 PS/1453 kg, (sport auto 08/02)
7:43.5 - 160,000 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago (Autocar magazine 02)
7:44* -- 159.828 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg *company chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno, 2009 Nissan GT-R - AutoWeek Magazine
7:44 --- 159.828 km/h -- Pagani Zonda C12 S, 555 PS/1388 kg (sport auto 07/02)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24, 385 PS/1350 kg (race car, not street-legal, slicks)(*mfr.)
7:45 --- 159.484 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche GTR 600, 600 PS (00)
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- Mercedes CLK 63 AMG Black Series, 507 PS/1760 kg (*mfr.) according to First Drive: 2008 Mercedes-Benz CLK63 AMG Black Series - Previews - Car and Driver May 2007
7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at PistonHeads.tv
7:45*-- 159.484 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/ 1424 kg, works driver Walter Roehrl, *mfr.
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Jaguar XJ220, John Walton (EVO magzine 07/00), www.jwhubbers.nl/ring/docs/evo-0007-7.jpg
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, 522 PS/1528 kg (sport auto 09/07) sport auto Supertest Gallardo SL - Supercars.net
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT2, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/01)
7:46 --- 159.142 km/h -- SHK Porsche 993 GT2, 652 PS (sport auto 99)
7:46.29 159.140 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, 522 PS/1500 kg (Auto Italy 09/07) Gallardo SL: 7'46"29 @ NRing - Supercars.net
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h –- Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano, 620 PS/1805 kg (sport auto 01/07) sport auto Supertest: Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano - Supercars.net
7:47 --- 158.801 km/h –- Lamborghini Murcielago LP640, 640 PS/1748 kg (sport auto 08/07) sport auto Supertest Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 - Supercars.net
YouTube - Lamborghini Nordschleife
7:47* -- 158.801 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/ 1440 kg, works driver Walter Roehrl, *mfr.
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3 RS, 415 PS/1424 kg (sport auto 03/07) SUPERCARS.NET - Community Forums
7:48 --- 158.463 km/h -- Porsche 997 GT3, 415 PS/1440kg (sport auto 07/06) sport auto Supertest: Porsche 997 GT3 - Supercars.net
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Corvette Z06, 512 PS/1440 kg (sport auto 06/07) sport auto Supertest: Corvette Z06 - Supercars.net
YouTube - Corvette z06 Nordschleife Nürburgring
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h –- BMW X5 Le Mans, 700 PS/~2000 kg, Hans-Joachim Stuck
7.49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3, 392 PS (AutoBild 2004)
7:49 --- 158.124 km/h -- Porsche 996 GT3 Cup, 360 PS/1207 kg (sport auto 02/99)
7:49.72 157.885 km/h -- Honda RC30, Helmut Daehne (93) (moto bike)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- BMW E46 M3 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Lamborghini Murcielago, 462 PS/1450 kg (sport auto 06/02)
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 480 PS/1750 kg, Hrst von Saurma, partially wet track (sport auto 12/07) Nissan GT-R: 7:50 at the Nurburgring - Supercars.net
7:50 --- 157.787 km/h -- Westfield Super 7 with Hayabusa engine,
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h –- Ford GT, 550 PS/1599 kg (sport auto 02/06)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Gemballa Porsche 911 Le Mans (sport auto 95)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear, 493 PS/1496 kg (sport auto 12/03)
7:52 --- 157.119 km/h -- Mercedes Benz SLR McLaren (sport auto 06/04)
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, (sport auto 03/05) Sport-Auto Supertest Mercedes CLK DTM AMG: Radikal-Tour
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 997 Turbo, 480 PS/1620 kg (sport auto 06/07) sport auto Supertest Porsche 997 Turbo - Supercars.net
YouTube - Porsche Turbo Nordschleife
7:54 --- 156.456 km/h -- Porsche 993 GT3, 360 PS/1380 kg (sport auto 06/03)
7:55* -- 156.126 km/h -- Aston Martin V8 Vantage N24, 385 PS/1350 kg (race car, not street-legal)(*mfr.)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Caterham R500 Superlight, Robert Nearn (EVO magazine 07/00)
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h – Ferrari F430 F1, 490 PS/1493 kg (sport auto 01/06) sport auto Supertest: Ferrari F430 F1 - Supercars.net
7:55 --- 156.126 km/h -- Nissan GT-R, 473 PS/1724 kg 2009 Nissan GT-R - AutoWeek Magazine
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale, 425 PS/1387 kg (sport auto 02/04)
7:56 --- 155.798 km/h -- Porsche 996 Turbo, 420 PS/1569 kg (sport auto 06/00)
7:56* - 155.798 km/h -- Chevrolet Corvette Z06 ,company chief engineer Dave Hill (*mfr.)
7:56.50 155.594 km/h -- Mercedes CLK DTM AMG, 582 PS/1678kg, Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.65 155.569 km/h – Lamborghini Gallardo SE, 520 PS/1560 kg, Tom Kristensen (AutoBild 02/06)
7:56.73* 155.569 km/h Honda NSX-R (*Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion", lap not complete)
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- AC Schnitzer Tension, 552 PS/1797 kg (sport auto 04/07), sport auto Supertest: AC Schnitzer Tension - Supercars.net
7:57 --- 155.472 km/h -- Lotec Porsche 993 Turbo, 600 PS/1558 kg (sport auto 05/98)
7:58 --- 156.652 km/h -- Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI, 420 PS/ 1650 kg, Frank Stippler, (10/05)8200rpm.com forums - Ringridders -

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by angelmb 

In all honestly… why in this globalized world can't american cars have a slightly decent inside?.

It's true. My friend was really interested in the PT cruzer when it frist came out as it had a really unique exterior. When we both sat inside on at the Autoshow we were instantly turned off because the inside looked like it was some generic crap they ripped out of a pickup truck with big ugly beige dials and every componet looking like it was off the shelf and just thrown together in a bad case.

Actually much like 95% of all PC's do.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by hwojtek 

Two words: live axle.

6 words: It's not a live axle nitwit.

You're finished.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

It's true. My friend was really interested in the PT cruzer when it frist came out as it had a really ugly exterior. When we both sat inside on at the Autoshow we were instantly turned off because the inside looked like it was some generic crap they ripped out of a pickup truck with big ugly beige dials and every componet looking like it was off the shelf and just thrown together in a bad case.

Actually much like 95% of all PC's do.

this isn't a crappy car thread, but rather a fast car thread.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

Have any of you people seen, with your own two eyeballs, a 2007+ Corvette interior. Probably not, they're pretty nice. Want leather stitched everything? Go get something else, this thing is a serious piece, and it's not for 99% of the people that posted in this thread. Pussies are inspecting the 'Vette's interior, while real dudes are checking out the 15" brakes, the diabolical carbon roof, or maybe the 625HP powerplant. This isn't your coked-out uncle's 1989 Corvette.

There hasn't been an attractive Corvette since blah blah blah..

Yeah I have, and my $9,000 Honda has a much higher quality interior. For $70k it should be really nice (not just pretty nice) and not look like a Silverado. 15" brakes, carbon fiber roofs, and 625 hp are all good, but when you're sitting in traffic, you're calling upon maybe 90 hp, and carbon fiber doesn't make a difference. Most people have no use for that much horsepower in anything.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

this isn't a crappy car thread, but rather a fast car thread.

Oh ya sorry, fast crappy cars it is!

[analogika]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

Yeah I have, and my $9,000 Honda has a much higher quality interior. For $70k it should be really nice (not just pretty nice) and not look like a Silverado. 15" brakes, carbon fiber roofs, and 625 hp are all good, but when you're sitting in traffic, you're calling upon maybe 90 hp, and carbon fiber doesn't make a difference. Most people have no use for that much horsepower in anything.

That, unfortunately, however true, completely misses the point.

[ctt1wbw]

A Honda does NOT have a high quality interior. I drove a V-6 Accord and was laughing at the shoddiness of the inside. And people speak of Honda's as the best in the world? Give me a break. My Magnum that I used to have had a better quality interior than a Honda. I'm not bashing Honda, I just don't like most Hondas. Except for the new Civic, which is pretty nice, but I haven't seen the interior.

As for the Vette... if I could fit inside one, I'd be driving one. Supercar performance for a Honda price.

[is not]

7:45* -- 159.484 km/h -- McLaren F1, *estimated lap time from a video available at PistonHeads.tv

7:11 McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car) Driver Mika Häkkinen

Bye.

[analogue SPRINKLES]

I rather have this

[sek929]

Originally Posted by hwojtek 

I don't have to persuade this. It's a proven fact. The RS4 with it's permanent 4WD will kick the Vette's arse repeatedly once the road ends to be a quartermile straight.

I have a question.

Do people try Googling things first before sounding like total idiots?

[analogue SPRINKLES]

You boys always get so rattled up over your cars

Here's a secret.... they have no relation to the size of your penis and there are speed limits in the West anyway.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by ctt1wbw 

A Honda does NOT have a high quality interior. I drove a V-6 Accord and was laughing at the shoddiness of the inside. And people speak of Honda's as the best in the world? Give me a break. My Magnum that I used to have had a better quality interior than a Honda. I'm not bashing Honda, I just don't like most Hondas. Except for the new Civic, which is pretty nice, but I haven't seen the interior.

As for the Vette... if I could fit inside one, I'd be driving one. Supercar performance for a Honda price.

A Magnum? How drunk where you when driving your Magnum? Hard plastic, high sheen crap.
This is much better looking and doesn't seem like it's been scuttled from a 1982 GMC.


Although a Hemi could make me overlook the interior

[olePigeon]

[Shaddim]

I'm grabbing one of those when they produce a non-slush box model.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

I'm grabbing one of those when they produce a non-slush box model.

So you're getting one at launch? It comes standard with a 6 speed stick.

[Shaddim]

All I see is the 5-speed "AutoStick" transmission.

"The SRT-8 Challenger will feature the 6.1 L Hemi V8 as standard equipment. For the first year, only automatic transmissions will be offered."

Dodge Challenger Concept - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

All I see is the 5-speed "AutoStick" transmission.



Dodge Challenger Concept - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

All I see on the Dodge website is three pedals. They've confirmed a 6 speed. Look in the pictures above.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan 

Who in their right mind would want a 420 hp Audi estate? Other than Audi car dealership owners with families and dogs, I can't imagine anyone.

I would love to have one. I think it be hilarious whooping up on little Hondas and Mazdas in a wagon.

[Shaddim]

I only see 2 pedals, plus:

LC: 2008 Dodge Challenger

The link shows that there are no MT Challengers shipping until `09.

[imitchellg5]

Really, there are three. From left to right: clutch, brake, accelerator.

From what I can tell from talking to Dodge you can order one with a stick, but you just won't get it for a while.

[Shaddim]

I'll check with the dealer tomorrow, but I still haven't seen any press releases claiming a 6 spd MT for the SRT-8.

Doubt I'll get a first year though, no matter what he says. I almost never buy a model when it's brand new, I give them a year to work out any issues.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Doubt I'll get a first year though, no matter what he says. I almost never buy a model when it's brand new, I give them a year to work out any issues.

That's always a wise idea. My mom's regretted it with our Xterra Although I would think that there wouldn't be many issues, since the powertrain is used all across the lineup.

[Laminar]

Originally Posted by analogue SPRINKLES 

It's true. My friend was really interested in the PT cruzer when it frist came out as it had a really unique exterior.

GAY

[CMYKid]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

Really, there are three. From left to right: clutch, brake, accelerator.

From what I can tell from talking to Dodge you can order one with a stick, but you just won't get it for a while.

since thats a rendering, instead of a photo of an actual production model, the number of pedals probably doesnt mean much of anything.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by olePigeon 

Those seats look to be about 250lbs each. o_0


(i was wondering when you were gonna come fappin' in here with your challenger pics

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by is not 

7:11 McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car) Driver Mika Häkkinen

Bye.

End of discussion.

[hwojtek]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

You suck at the internet and cars pal:

Hell, yes, seems you're a Google master. I owe you my deepest respect.
The point is, you've picked a specific and biased track as your reference. The 'Ring (been there ...pal? You'd love it) gives advantage to cars with better aerodynamics, and the tight sections, that are used to test the driveline, are not long enough for the Audi to make up the HP difference.
With the certain sections of the 'Ring allowing +170 mph in a proper car (I topped 175 mph on Dottinger Hohe in a derestricted E46 M3 and 150 mph are not unusual between Bergwerk and Klostertal), it's really hard to imagine a proper 5-seat wagon to beat a Vette. So with a Vette on the 'Ring, you brought a gun to a knife fight.

The funny point is, I work for a car magazine and I do over 50k miles per year doing roadtests and tracktests alone. I might not know everything about any car, that's for sure. But I really think, your "Google-says-so-and-I-will-not-think-twice-if-this-makes-sense" car judgement method is far from applicable.
No offense, but I'd say you've only seen the Nuerburgring on a Playstation. Please get just a little bit more real... ;-)

Happy Holidays!

[analogika]

Ouch.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by Laminar 

GAY

I think the PT was pretty special when it first came out. Then everyone and their mom bought one.

[analogika]

The PT cruiser was the first newer-vintage car that really made me guffaw the first time I ever saw it.

My God - "special" is a painful euphemism.

I still think it's a complete ****-up of what was supposed to be "retro" design, reminiscent of when people built similar designs that actually managed to look good.

But then, you can't argue taste, I know, yadda yadda...

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by hwojtek 

Hell, yes, seems you're a Google master. I owe you my deepest respect.
The point is, you've picked a specific and biased track as your reference. The 'Ring (been there ...pal? You'd love it) gives advantage to cars with better aerodynamics, and the tight sections, that are used to test the driveline, are not long enough for the Audi to make up the HP difference.
With the certain sections of the 'Ring allowing +170 mph in a proper car (I topped 175 mph on Dottinger Hohe in a derestricted E46 M3 and 150 mph are not unusual between Bergwerk and Klostertal), it's really hard to imagine a proper 5-seat wagon to beat a Vette. So with a Vette on the 'Ring, you brought a gun to a knife fight.

The funny point is, I work for a car magazine and I do over 50k miles per year doing roadtests and tracktests alone. I might not know everything about any car, that's for sure. But I really think, your "Google-says-so-and-I-will-not-think-twice-if-this-makes-sense" car judgement method is applicable.
No offense, but I'd say you've only seen the Nuerburgring on a Playstation. Please get just a little bit more real... ;-)

Happy Holidays!

So the Audi loses? Got it. Bringing a gun to a knife fight, you'll win every time!

(show me a video of YOU in an RS4 whooping a Z06 and you win Mr. Awesome!)

edit: No really, show me something. Facts. Show me an stock-ish RS4 winning a race on dry tarmac with equal drivers/tires vs. a stock-ish Z06 Vette.

Your next post should have some links.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by is not 

7:11 McLaren F1 #LMXP1 (Promotional Car) Driver Mika Häkkinen

Bye.

What? Isn't that a LeMans car???

I believe so, meaning it's not the McLaren F1 road car. I don't know for sure but I suspect.

[IceEnclosure]

Originally Posted by angelmb 

End of discussion.

What do you mean?

[angelmb]

I mean the new Corvette is clearly fast, would be silly to deny that, but to label it as fast cars' new leader is too… enthusiast, patriotic?.

pssst pssst: don't take 'patriotic' as being politic stuff, -good or not that good we all know the Corvette is an american icon- it is just like an average german would tell you german cars are the best thing, so does any italian but Giorgio Armani about italian cars, hell, even a french would say french cars rule the world… It becomes hard to a spaniard do the same about spanish cars though, everybody knows SEATs sucks.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by analogika 

The PT cruiser was the first newer-vintage car that really made me guffaw the first time I ever saw it.

My God - "special" is a painful euphemism.

I still think it's a complete ****-up of what was supposed to be "retro" design, reminiscent of when people built similar designs that actually managed to look good.

But then, you can't argue taste, I know, yadda yadda...

Did you see the concept? It looked awesome. Unfortunately, back then Dodge messed up just about every good concept that they had.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

So the Audi loses? Got it. Bringing a gun to a knife fight, you'll win every time!

(show me a video of YOU in an RS4 whooping a Z06 and you win Mr. Awesome!)

edit: No really, show me something. Facts. Show me an stock-ish RS4 winning a race on dry tarmac with equal drivers/tires vs. a stock-ish Z06 Vette.

Your next post should have some links.

Pssh. Everyone knows this car will beat any 'Vette:

[sek929]

Originally Posted by IceEnclosure 

Your next post should have some links.

Considering how much he talked himself up I'd say the next post might want to include a video of him racing a car for starters.