[Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by SirCastor

Goldfinger, sorry if I spoiled it for you.

No problem

[mrtew]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

So since I never watched the original, what was baltar all about in it?

Let's just say he wasn't so much Jeckyl and Hyde type, but more of a pure Hyde. On the other hand he was also the comic relief of the show, pattering away at the cylons like they were his half trained robot puppies, and shaking in his boots before the Imperious Cylon leader like the cowardly lion before Oz.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by SirCastor

Your post made me chuckle

Originally Posted by mrtew

Let's just say he wasn't so much Jeckyl and Hyde type, but more of a pure Hyde. On the other hand he was also the comic relief of the show, pattering away at the cylons like they were his half trained robot puppies, and shaking in his boots before the Imperious Cylon leader like the cowardly lion before Oz.

As you say, not quite Hyde, since Hyde is pure evil; the comic relief part took away from his perceived evilness in a way. His character wasn't meant to be comic relief, but his acting had to be the cheesiest in the entire show, like Mike Myers' Dr. Evil in a 1950's show, albeit (semi-)serious. I wonder if the B-movie overacting was intentional however. (The very evil Hyde part is that his only goal was to sell out to the Cylons and get power for himself with them.)

LLB, BTW his second in command on that Cylon base star was Lucifer, which is my favourite Cylon. Imagine this Cylon with a voice and attitude almost like Frasier's brother Niles':





Lucifer was the true comic relief for the Cylons on that show.

[Leia's Left Bun]

Damn, guess I know why I never watched it as a child.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

Damn, guess I know why I never watched it as a child.

That, and you would have been, what, 4 years old?

[Leia's Left Bun]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

That, and you would have been, what, 4 years old?

I was born in 75 but I saw all the star wars in theatres as well as the trek movies so my age wasn't the reason. It just never impressed me as a kid, I thought it was corny even then.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

I was born in 75 but I saw all the star wars in theatres

The first time around? You were 2 years old when Star Wars came out.

I wonder how many times it played again though in the theatres.

[Leia's Left Bun]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

The first time around? You were 2 years old when Star Wars came out.

I wonder how many times it played again though in the theatres.

Yep, my mom liked the original Star Wars so she took me to all of them. I sat there dead quite.

Not 100% sure I saw the fist star Wars in the theatre but I actually remember seeing Empire and Jedi clearly.

[SirCastor]

Hey, I was 3 when I saw ROTJ in the theaters. I only remember speeder bikes, but I was still there.

[RAILhead]

N00bs.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by Spliff

I'm with you on that. I don't quite buy it, either. However, if you listen to Moore's latest podcast, he says that the combination of Baltar's great intellect and insanely large ego make him a very dangerous man. Unfortunately, I don't think we've seen enough of Baltar's egotistical side. Mostly he's struck me as fidgety and uncertain and insecure, coupled with flashes of brilliance and insight.

Yeah, they keep telling us how egotistical and self-serving he is, but mainly he just seems like he's constantly about to piss himself. Seriously, I don't get why nobody is questioning his sanity.

[Leia's Left Bun]

I don't know why nobody else has questioned why baltar seems to have fights with nobody in the hallways all the time.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Chuckit

Yeah, they keep telling us how egotistical and self-serving he is, but mainly he just seems like he's constantly about to piss himself. Seriously, I don't get why nobody is questioning his sanity.

They don't trust him, and they think he's very strange. The grunts are constantly looking at him funny in the hallways. Billy even called him cuckoo early on in season 1.

OTOH, he's given them very useful scientific information with regards to human (and cylon) biology, tillium refining, and computers, among other things. Furthermore, his information has saved the fleet several times now.

So, even if some people were to think he's very "eccentric" or even borderline insane, they keep him around because overall his presence has been very beneficial.

This is in stark contrast to the original Baltar who just about everyone thought was an obvious traitor.

This is also why I don't understand Baltar's setting up Gina the bomb. This is quite a big turn in his character for him. They can write what they want, but this seems somewhat out of character. I was expecting more of a gradual change in Baltar, but whatever.

[JoshuaZ]

It seems right up his alley. Clearly he feels betrayed by the Pres, and he also is feeling quite close to Gina. This is just his way of showing that he`s with her.

I think a good number of people in the fleet have misgivings about him, which is causing him to go even more insane. No one in charge has any respect for him. He`s just one step away from making a glowing headed robot that speaks like Dr. Crane.

[Goldfinger]

That last episode was...weird. To say the least.

[Eug Wanker]

Where did the 2003 miniseries get split when it was aired on TV? I'm going to Handbrake my DVD of it, but to keep it as one 3 hour file makes it too big for my tastes. So, I'm gonna split it in half, but I may as well split it like they did on TV.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Where did the 2003 miniseries get split when it was aired on TV? I'm going to Handbrake my DVD of it, but to keep it as one 3 hour file makes it too big for my tastes. So, I'm gonna split it in half, but I may as well split it like they did on TV.

I thought it aired all in one piece.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

I thought it aired all in one piece.

No, it was two 2-hour movies (1.5 hours each plus commercials). Hence, "miniseries".

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

No, it was two 2-hour movies (1.5 hours each plus commercials). Hence, "miniseries".

Ok but I thought they aired at least the next day right? I think when I finally saw it up here it was all one episode.

Anywho, you can easily spot where they go to commercial. Find one at about the 1.5 hour mark.
I remember definite fades to commercials when:

1) Apolo sets off the fake nuke aboard the Colonial 1
2) The civilian ships jump to FTL leaving behind many civilian ships
3) Splurge and burn a dual layer disk

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Ok but I thought they aired at least the next day right? I think when I finally saw it up here it was all one episode.

IIRC when it first aired, it was half one day, and then the second half a week later, but they may have changed it later. It's been on Space several times now.

Anywho, you can easily spot where they go to commercial. Find one at about the 1.5 hour mark.
I remember definite fades to commercials when:

1) Apolo sets off the fake nuke aboard the Colonial 1
2) The civilian ships jump to FTL leaving behind many civilian ships

Yeah, I'll do that. I get to be the editor today.

3) Splurge and burn a dual layer disk

Actually, with my H.264 settings it's less than 2 GB for the miniseries. In fact, I can fit the entire first season with the miniseries too all on 2 DVD-Rs, and still maintain excellent quality. H.264 rocks.



The first disk will have the 3-hour premiere and 5 episodes (which together form the equivalent of about 9 episodes' worth of time), and the second disk will have 8 episodes and maybe some of the extras.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Oooh, the trailer for next week looks really good. Perhaps I will totally forget about last weeks mess.

[TETENAL]

OK, so this is airing for the first time in Germany today, and I'm watching the pilot right now. And I have to say, this is booooooooooooring. There is a hot chick in the movie, but one hot chick doesn't carry a movie. I can't believe there are 16 pages about new Galactica in this thread.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

OK, so this is airing for the first time in Germany today, and I'm watching the pilot right now. And I have to say, this is booooooooooooring. There is a hot chick in the movie, but one hot chick doesn't carry a movie. I can't believe there are 16 pages about new Galactica in this thread.

I didn't find the miniseries pilot boring, but I did find it long.

The first episode "33" is way tighter than the miniseries though, as are most of the rest of the episodes aired thus far.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

OK, so this is airing for the first time in Germany today, and I'm watching the pilot right now. And I have to say, this is booooooooooooring. There is a hot chick in the movie, but one hot chick doesn't carry a movie. I can't believe there are 16 pages about new Galactica in this thread.

Good, don't waste your time on the other than if you don't like it.

[TETENAL]

They took out all the fun that was in the original serious. Now it's all so serious and death and music in minor and patriotic.

And they managed to piss me off in the first scene. "There is an embassy in space to hold contact with the Klingons, and the ambassador didn't have sex for 40 years." Sexy robot enters the room, ambassador can not resist temptation and explodes. Come on, how ridiculous is that?

[Dale Sorel]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

There is an embassy in space to hold contact with the Klingons...

What series are you watching anyways

[goMac]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

They took out all the fun that was in the original serious. Now it's all so serious and death and music in minor and patriotic.

And they managed to piss me off in the first scene. "There is an embassy in space to hold contact with the Klingons, and the ambassador didn't have sex for 40 years." Sexy robot enters the room, ambassador can not resist temptation and explodes. Come on, how ridiculous is that?

Sarcasm?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

OK, so this is airing for the first time in Germany today, and I'm watching the pilot right now. And I have to say, this is booooooooooooring. There is a hot chick in the movie, but one hot chick doesn't carry a movie. I can't believe there are 16 pages about new Galactica in this thread.

I didn't like it at first either. It was boring. I didn't think it found its feet until halfway through the first season — around "Hand of God" or so.

[andi*pandi]

so, is it worth it to watch the miniseries? I missed that and a few season one eps. will it help me understand what's going on any better, or appreciate apollo's chick issues? or should I continue to piece together the backstory from flashbacks.

[Dale Sorel]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

so, is it worth it to watch the miniseries?

Absolutely!!! It really lays the groundwork for the entire series.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Baltar's test is real; Boomer proved it works. He's just too lazy/chicken/busy to actual do it on all 50000 people. (It takes half a day to do, and Boomer's positive result scared the crap out of him.)

1/2 a day on the Galactica, just like it took 1/2 a day to enhance Baltar's face on the photograph.

However, the Pegasus' computer enhanced the photographs taken of the Resurrection ship instantaneously. If Baltar could use Pegasus' computers, the process would go mighty-quickly.

[Stradlater]

Originally Posted by Leia's Left Bun

I don't know why nobody else has questioned why baltar seems to have fights with nobody in the hallways all the time.

They assume he's an eccentric genius that talks/argues with himself.

[JoshuaZ]

Originally Posted by Stradlater

1/2 a day on the Galactica, just like it took 1/2 a day to enhance Baltar's face on the photograph.

However, the Pegasus' computer enhanced the photographs taken of the Resurrection ship instantaneously. If Baltar could use Pegasus' computers, the process would go mighty-quickly.

That would make too much sense. Plus, as we all know, he`s appearntly the onlyone who can do this thing which means he has to devide his time between being the vice pres, doing some menial lab work, and being insane.

[Azzgunther]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

...snd I'm watching the pilot right now.... I can't believe there are 16 pages about new Galactica in this thread.

At least you gave it a fair chance

[scottiB]

Originally Posted by andi*pandi

so, is it worth it to watch the miniseries? I missed that and a few season one eps. will it help me understand what's going on any better, or appreciate apollo's chick issues? or should I continue to piece together the backstory from flashbacks.

Watching the mini is worth it, but not crucial in understanding the plot. Other than the recent Roslin ep, there aren't many callbacks to it. It is *good*, and the final reveal at the end while knowable now, is quite effective. Apollo's chick issues is a recent, and not well played, development.

Originally Posted by TETENAL

And they managed to piss me off in the first scene. "There is an embassy in space to hold contact with the Klingons, and the ambassador didn't have sex for 40 years." Sexy robot enters the room, ambassador can not resist temptation and explodes. Come on, how ridiculous is that?

The space station/embassy is not inhabited continuously. On a specific date every year (I believe on the armistice anniversary), a rep from the humans comes to meet with a rep from the Cylons. For 40 years, no Cylon showed until the day of the attack. The human ambassador has not resided there for 40 years--however he did succumb to the overpowering seduction of the Six model.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Dale Sorel

What series are you watching anyways

Sorry, I wasn't aware that there is a mini-series and a tv-series. This was just announced as the "new Battlestar Galactica". As a fan you should have recognized which one I was talking about by the opening scene. Honestly, it was the only scene that somehow stayed in my memory (for it's silliness mostly). After that there happened nothing actually for over an hour and then atomic bombs were dropped on a bunch of people I didn't care about any more.

Originally Posted by scottiB

however he did succumb to the overpowering seduction of the Six model.

Yeah, sure. Of course mankind would only send an ambassador who has his brain in his penis.

And what was the point of this anyway? Didn't the Klingons hear of the KISS principle before? If you want to declare war just bomb that embassy and be done with it. Or did the Japanese send a Geisha to Pearl Harbor before the attack? What would be the point?

[Eug Wanker]

Of course the "Klingons" have heard of the KISS principle. That was the whole scene after all.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

And what was the point of this anyway? Didn't the Klingons hear of the KISS principle before? If you want to declare war just bomb that embassy and be done with it. Or did the Japanese send a Geisha to Pearl Harbor before the attack? What would be the point?

If you are continuously mentioning the Klingons in Battlestar I don't think the show is the one with the problem.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by scottiB

Watching the mini is worth it, but not crucial in understanding the plot. Other than the recent Roslin ep, there aren't many callbacks to it. It is *good*, and the final reveal at the end while knowable now, is quite effective. Apollo's chick issues is a recent, and not well played, development.

I disagree a little bit. From what I remember, the miniseries does go into the death of Apollo's brother, and introduces some of the complicated sexual tension in his relationship with Starbuck, his late brother's fiance. I don't know how/if the writers plan on folding this into his general "chick issues," but it's a contributing factor IMO--he lost a woman he was serious about right before the attack, just as Starbuck lost his brother.

The preview for this week's episode has some clips that indicate that the show might be moving in that direction.

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Of course the "Klingons" have heard of the KISS principle. That was the whole scene after all.

The "KISS-principle has nothing to do with kissing. It means to keep things simple. What's the point of seducing the ambassador when you blow up everything anyway? It just wastes 3 of the own robots. Simply blowing up the embassy would have had exactly the same effect.

[SpaceMonkey]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The "KISS-principle has nothing to do with kissing. It means to keep things simple. What's the point of seducing the ambassador when you blow up everything anyway? It just wastes 3 of the own robots. Simply blowing up the embassy would have had exactly the same effect.

I can't remember if they covered it in the miniseries, but the Cylons don't actually die when their bodies are destroyed. Their consciousness is immediately transmitted to another host body. One can surmise that the Six model on Armistice Station wanted to seduce the human representative just because she wanted to see what it felt like--remember, she probably hadn't ever seen a human being before. Assuming the Cylons have plenty of Six bodies in storage (and, if you keep watching the series, you'll see that they do), then there is no real penalty for her curiosity.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Stradlater

1/2 a day on the Galactica, just like it took 1/2 a day to enhance Baltar's face on the photograph.

However, the Pegasus' computer enhanced the photographs taken of the Resurrection ship instantaneously. If Baltar could use Pegasus' computers, the process would go mighty-quickly.

The Pegasus computer enhancement was simply blowing up a direct picture and making it look a bit more clearer.

The Baltar photograph thing was made out to be much more complicated. Yeah, that's dramatic licence, but by the sounds of it, they had some reasons for it besides computer speed.

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The "KISS-principle has nothing to do with kissing. It means to keep things simple. What's the point of seducing the ambassador when you blow up everything anyway? It just wastes 3 of the own robots. Simply blowing up the embassy would have had exactly the same effect.

I think your sarcasm detector is broken. It must be Klingon sabotage.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by SpaceMonkey

I can't remember if they covered it in the miniseries, but the Cylons don't actually die when their bodies are destroyed.

Yes it is pointed out several times in the pilot.

[goMac]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

The "KISS-principle has nothing to do with kissing. It means to keep things simple. What's the point of seducing the ambassador when you blow up everything anyway? It just wastes 3 of the own robots. Simply blowing up the embassy would have had exactly the same effect.

I think there were quite a few reasons for this:

a) In the original series the Cylons offered a peace deal and the colonists accepted it. This lured the Battlestars out for the peace ceremony, and then the Cylons destroyed them all. The Galactica was suspicious of the whole peace conference, which is why it wasn't destroyed. The point seemed to be in this was that the colonists were not hostile, and they were willing to have peace, and it also ties the series back to the peace conference in the original series. It gives you the feeling that the Cylons are more evil, and at least officially, the colonists are willing to side with peace.
b) We already know Six loves observing human emotion. My guess is she wanted to screw with the guys head a bit and see what sort of emotions she could get out of him.
c) One point of that scene is you were supposed to pick up that the colonial officer is the father of the kid that is rescued from Caprica. The kid was dropped as a major plot point when near the end of writing the script they made Boomer a Cylon though.
d) Six wouldn't die. The Cylons aren't exactly running short on Six bodies, and the Six that got blown up would just be transfered to a new body.
e) The Cylons were probably curious as to the reaction they would get.

It seemed like it fit to me. The Cylons like studying human emotion.

[Dale Sorel]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

As a fan you should have recognized which one I was talking about by the opening scene.

You mean the scene with all the Klingons

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally Posted by Dale Sorel

You mean the scene with all the Klingons

[JoshuaZ]

dude, I hope its some Xena girl on girl action.

Or in our case, robot on robot action.

Like battle bots, only they look like super hot girl.

Two robots enter, one robot leaves.

[BigBadWolf]

So much better than last week. I was hoping that Kat would die though. I really thought she would die while saving Starbuck, but hey there's always next week.

[Lateralus]

I could have done without the Apollo-on-Starbuck dance. But other than that, pretty decent episode.

[meelk]

Originally Posted by BigBadWolf

So much better than last week. I was hoping that Kat would die though. I really thought she would die while saving Starbuck, but hey there's always next week.

bleh. this whole episode wanted to be Space: Above and Beyond ep 1x16 "The Angriest Angel", where McQueen has to take out the ace Chig pilot. That ep. of S:A&B was WAAAAY better than this Galactica tho.