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Krypton · Jun 26, 2004, 05:33 AM

According to Mac Rumours this is 10.4:

(If these aren't real someone's gone to a lot of trouble - especially when we're only 2 days away.)

iOliverC · Jun 26, 2004, 05:35 AM

Theres another. I'm pretty sure all of these are faked. The readme.pdf on MR uses graphics from Panther, there is also spelling mistakes. Just, un-apple like.

Krypton · Jun 26, 2004, 05:40 AM

Where's that one from? The toolbar icons are very rough for views - someone's just drawn on a 1 pixel black line.

The last screenshot in my post shows a feature called 'dashboard' according to Mac rumours.

Krypton · Jun 26, 2004, 05:50 AM

Ok I'll answer my own question - iOliver's pic if of an app that is supposed to be a Hypercard like version of Applescript studio.

BTW - everyone cried fakes when the first 10.3 pictures appeared, so it will be interesting to see how this pans out. Having said that, a dashboard feature would be treading on Konfabulator's toes.

iOliverC · 06:05 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Krypton:
Ok I'll answer my own question - iOliver's pic if of an app that is supposed to be a Hypercard like version of Applescript studio.

BTW - everyone cried fakes when the first 10.3 pictures appeared, so it will be interesting to see how this pans out. Having said that, a dashboard feature would be treading on Konfabulator's toes. [/QUOTE

Its pretty much confirmed fake. Look at the site,

sandsl · Jun 26, 2004, 09:25 AM

Originally posted by iOliverC:
...there is also spelling mistakes. Just, un-apple like.

Typographical errors are common in betas - all the previous developer previews of OSX have had spelling mistakes.

DamnDJ · Jun 26, 2004, 09:30 AM

For some reason I think I really want that dashboard thing. We'll see if these are real in a few days. The system preferences are kinda nifty, but isn't there a clear problem when it has to highlight where the pref you are looking for? To me this just goes to show that System Prefs are way too cluttered and hard to manage. I STILL have to spend extra time to find the right icon.

kman42 · Jun 26, 2004, 10:54 AM

Originally posted by DamnDJ:
For some reason I think I really want that dashboard thing. We'll see if these are real in a few days. The system preferences are kinda nifty, but isn't there a clear problem when it has to highlight where the pref you are looking for? To me this just goes to show that System Prefs are way too cluttered and hard to manage. I STILL have to spend extra time to find the right icon.

Poor system preferences organization aside, wouldn't it be nice if the same feature were available in the Finder? When you are in icon view, it would highlight files that match the search criteria rather than switching to the standard search view in Panther. Not having actually tried it, this might provide more continuity in the finder views by not switching from an icon view to a list view for searching. Instead it would just highlight the relevant files. Not sure how useful this would be if your window has scroll bars. Just a thought...

I too like the dashboard idea. I've always wanted a feature like that where I could pop up a set of commonly used little utilities at will. Having stickies behave in this fashion would be great.

I'm not getting involved in the the fake vs real debate as it's not as much fun as just pretending these are real.

kman

Socially Awkward Solo · Jun 26, 2004, 11:57 AM

Looks like Konfabulator junk to me.

Socially Awkward Solo · Jun 26, 2004, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by iOliverC:
The readme.pdf on MR uses graphics from Panther, there is also spelling mistakes. Just, un-apple like.

No, Apple has had lots of spelling mistakes in the pre-releases in the past.

philzilla · Jun 26, 2004, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by Socially Awkward Solo:
Looks like Konfabulator junk to me.

that's the first thing i thought. and you know how i hate agreeing with you

vertex · Jun 26, 2004, 12:08 PM

If that konfab type thing is what Apple are going for, they'd be better off lumping them into a central panel, something like Longhorn's dashboard. I'd quite like that idea.

The stretched titlebars in those pics looks good too.

Moose · Jun 26, 2004, 12:50 PM

GNAA involvement kinda makes it obvious that this isn't real.

But, hey. If it is, I'll be a good little boy and eat my crow pie Monday.

Stradlater · Jun 26, 2004, 12:59 PM

You would think that Apple would make the System Preferences brushed metal with that toolbar and those back/forward icons.

entrox · Jun 26, 2004, 01:13 PM

The advanced firewall preference pane looks authentic to me. These are already present features in ipfw, there just is no GUI for them in Panther.

chezpaul · Jun 26, 2004, 01:32 PM

That's Konfab for sure... How stupid can one be.

Moose · Jun 26, 2004, 01:38 PM

Originally posted by entrox:
The advanced firewall preference pane looks authentic to me. These are already present features in ipfw, there just is no GUI for them in Panther.

Why I Hope To Mother**** The Firewall Screenshot Is Fake:

1) Top checkbox appears to block all UDP, which would be the height of silliness.
2) The wording is completely amateur hour (e.g. "blocked sources, blocked destinations, and blocked attempts")
3) The use of two hypens instead of an em dash in the "Stealth Mode" check.

RonnieoftheRose · Jun 26, 2004, 01:41 PM

It's fake. Easy way to tell. In the first Sys Preferences he's using a search function and the results are on a transparent drop down menu. In the second where he is searching for DNS the drop down menu isn't transparent anymore and the drop down menu is now a couple of pixels lower. Bad Photoshopping.

Macfreak7 · Jun 26, 2004, 02:26 PM

Maybe someone photoshopped those just to throw the new 'features' into the open.

Jim Paradise · Jun 26, 2004, 03:08 PM

Some serious ugliness happening in those shots. One could only hope they were faked or are konfabulator widgets.

MindFad · Jun 26, 2004, 03:15 PM

I am calling fake on those.

By the way, the Steve presentation is going to be streamed, right?

entrox · Jun 26, 2004, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by Moose:
1) Top checkbox appears to block all UDP, which would be the height of silliness.

You've got a point there. Still, it's a feature of ipfw

2) The wording is completely amateur hour (e.g. "blocked sources, blocked destinations, and blocked attempts")
3) The use of two hypens instead of an em dash in the "Stealth Mode" check.

I'd think that those are subject to change. It's a pretty early version after all.

Nexus5 · Jun 26, 2004, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by MindFad:
By the way, the Steve presentation is going to be streamed, right?

There is no stream announced.

nexus5.

Earth Mk. II · Jun 26, 2004, 06:53 PM

wtf is "Tile Game"?

mishap · Jun 26, 2004, 06:58 PM

I know this is not real -- because if it is, this will be a huge disapointment.

back to waiting until monday.

Chuckit · Jun 26, 2004, 07:14 PM

Are we really meant to believe Apple has produced a bright orange calculator and a fire engine-red calendar? Next thing we know, Steve's going to start going to keynotes in a wifebeater and torn jeans.

gotterdamm · Jun 26, 2004, 07:46 PM

Sorry, but it's all just an elaborate hoax by a troll group.

http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-tiger

OwlBoy · Jun 26, 2004, 08:27 PM

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
Sorry, but it's all just an elaborate hoax by a troll group.

http://www.gnaa.us/pr.phtml?troll=gnaa-tiger

Awww... and Pipeline looks like a great idea too.

-Owl

Spheric Harlot · Jun 26, 2004, 10:07 PM

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CmdrTaco
will
he ever learn that
GNAA is totally
unstoppable? Teamed
up with the other troll groups,
GNAA will absolutely own
the shitty place that is slashdot.
Just remember, the longer the lines are,
the smaller CmdrTaco's penis.
This logo is (C) 2003, 2004 GNAA

What a pathetic bunch of hanswurst puerile mind-midgets.

No pubes and no sex make baby asshole hate Slashdot.

Aww.

Spheric Harlot · Jun 26, 2004, 10:10 PM

Originally posted by DamnDJ:
The system preferences are kinda nifty, but isn't there a clear problem when it has to highlight where the pref you are looking for? To me this just goes to show that System Prefs are way too cluttered and hard to manage. I STILL have to spend extra time to find the right icon.

The alleged search feature in the Sys Prefs searches content and keywords, not Prefpane name. One of the examples is "dns" in the search box, with "Network" being the only highlighted prefpane.

-s*

Spheric Harlot · Jun 26, 2004, 10:11 PM

Originally posted by kman42:
Poor system preferences organization aside, wouldn't it be nice if the same feature were available in the Finder?

I'm not sure it would work with folder hierarchies.

-s*

MindFad · Jun 27, 2004, 02:35 AM

I hope there's a stream.

Zimphire · Jun 27, 2004, 03:32 AM

I was hoping for a new GUI.

Mr Scruff · Jun 27, 2004, 06:24 AM

I'm really surprised that macrumors would post something like this, and on the front page originally as well.

I mean, if ANYTHING should have made it obvious that this was a fake you would have thought that receiving it from a prominent troll group would have been.

For reference, here's their previous 'press release'

fiddler · Jun 27, 2004, 09:31 AM

For what it's worth, MacRumors is now saying the screenshots may be real:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/...27032616.shtml

Krypton · Jun 27, 2004, 09:52 AM

Even if they're not real, they're still interesting to a certain degree:

TheSpaz · Jun 27, 2004, 10:55 AM

I don't know if I believe if those are real or not. Who would use a search box in the System Preferences. Does that really seem like a demand from people? Also, why would Apple adopt Konfabulator? Konfabulator is doing good... it doesn't need to be ruined by Apple. Also, wouldn't you think there would be more Pref Panes than that in the System Prefs... so those screenshots tell me that all year Apple has been working on a System Pref Search box and a Konfabulator clone?

I'm not sure if I believe all of that.

Also, Apple usually makes small GUI "enhancements" that people enjoy every year. I don't see any changes in the GUI.

If those aren't fake... I'll be kinda disappointed.

moreno · Jun 27, 2004, 10:57 AM

if this is 10.4....
long life to xp...

TheSpaz · Jun 27, 2004, 11:01 AM

None of these screenshots look Spectacular. I mean, we already have Konfabulator (and for a while now too) so that was a waste of a feature. Next, WHOO HOO! I've always wanted a search feature in System Prefs... NOT!

I have no idea what that thing is with the icons on the side... but, it takes up too much screen real estate.

Guess what guys... we can just wait until Tomorrow right?

:haripu: · Jun 27, 2004, 11:08 AM

Of course these aren't real. That would imply that every single capable designer at Apple must be dead, otherwise there's no way the spotlight monstrosities or the childish konfabulator like things would be implemented.

And do you think Apple would rip off Konfabulator and then call it's widgets "gadgets", just to make sure everybody realizes it is a plain rip-off?

Simon · Jun 27, 2004, 11:09 AM

If the Konfabulator shot were real the guy at Apple who had done it would have to be shot.

hippyhop · Jun 27, 2004, 12:00 PM

FAKE !

Expose does not diable the menu bar !

kman42 · Jun 27, 2004, 12:21 PM

Just because these are the shots we have, doesn't mean that's all there is. There is notable lack of Finder pics and I doubt very much that apple hasn't upgraded the finder at all as they have with every release to date. Would you really be able to take a picture of a revised file system with metadata support? Perhaps, if there was a gui representation of such in through the finder.

If these are real (and Think Secret is now reporting that the features are in line with other sources), they certainly don't cover the entire gammet of what is available. Steve couldn't base his entire keynote on just a revised prefs pane and the dashboard. There's clearly a lot that is not represented here so don't get in a tizzy and start saying that Apple must not have done much in the last year.

kman

Stradlater · Jun 27, 2004, 12:33 PM

Originally posted by Krypton:
Even if they're not real, they're still interesting to a certain degree:

What would be the point of viewing a single RSS feed formatted in a single browser window? What's better about doing this than viewing the single original page? If you can't manage the RSS Feeds by putting many on the same page or by actively being notified of updates...then there's really no point, now is there?

RooneyX · Jun 27, 2004, 12:42 PM

So much talk over fake pics. There is no 'ifs' here. These are fake. There's nothing major being shown for a 'pre-release'.

Agasthya · Jun 27, 2004, 12:43 PM

Originally posted by fiddler:
For what it's worth, MacRumors is now saying the screenshots may be real:
http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/...27032616.shtml

ThinkSecret is saying that their 'sources' agree that the shots are legit.

gotterdamm · Jun 27, 2004, 01:12 PM

Originally posted by :haripu::
And do you think Apple would rip off Konfabulator and then call it's widgets "gadgets", just to make sure everybody realizes it is a plain rip-off?

Yeah, and the new Sherlock can't be real either, Apple would never make such a blatant rippoff of Watson!

vertex · Jun 27, 2004, 01:13 PM

Well I surely hope 10.4 isn't a GUI makeover release, or just a random bunch of new interaction tools. There's an absolute ton of basic features that need to be addressed, such as networking, dynamically updating folders, Finder speed increase, and folder views to be far more customisable than they are just now. That's just a few things I can list of the top of my head.

Any GUI change should be used to bring everything together and not disparate as they are just now. GUI change would be nice but only where it makes sense. The screenshots above could be real, it's not like we haven't seen such things before and also thought, how could Apple do that?

:haripu: · Jun 27, 2004, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by gotterdamm:
Yeah, and the new Sherlock can't be real either, Apple would never make such a blatant rippoff of Watson!

i never said they wouldn't rip off. just that they would be a little more creative when doing so.

hyperb0le · Jun 27, 2004, 02:39 PM

MacRumors is now reporting that the images have been removed at the request of Apple Legal. That doesn't necessarily mean that they are legit, but it might be a clue. IMO, this is unfortunate, as the dashboard feature looks really inconsistent, and I don't understand the reasoning behind making the toolbar in System Preferences be part of the titlebar.