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Jul 20, 2017, 11:58 AM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Straight repeal is 17 million. To give you context on how terrible the convoluted GOP bills are.
That's 17 million losing coverage the first year, rising to 32 million within 10 years. I've yet to figure out why it's so dang important to strip health insurance from the middle class.
( Last edited by reader50; Jul 20, 2017 at 01:45 PM. Reason: added quote, corrected 34 -> 32)
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 12:07 PM
 
I post first year numbers because they're less sensationalistic.
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 01:36 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
less sensationalistic.
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Jul 20, 2017, 01:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
That's 17 million losing coverage the first year, rising to 34 million within 10 years. I've yet to figure out why it's so dang important to strip health insurance from the middle class.
Don't forget the poor - there's no reason to **** with the Medicaid expansion. The middle class thing is arguable because we're seeing uneven effects in the prices they're being offered.
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 01:45 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Ban him.
The other reason is regardless of how you feel about the CBO the accuracy of their predictions likely dwindles the further out they project. By posting the immediate effects I feel I am positing facts that are harder to contradict.
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 02:34 PM
 
"That's a luxury we don't have" -@JohnCornyn when asked "don't some people want to know the plan before they vote" on health care.
It seems like the GOP is committed to hypocrisy in every aspect of criticism they levied towards the passage of the ACA.
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 03:50 PM
 
Originally Posted by reader50 View Post
That's 17 million losing coverage the first year, rising to 32 million within 10 years. I've yet to figure out why it's so dang important to strip health insurance from the middle class.
How many are people forced to purchase coverage by law.
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Jul 20, 2017, 04:02 PM
 
A quick google says Medicaid expansion enrollment is over 14 million. So some subset of the remaining three mil.
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 04:10 PM
 
I must be missing some nuance of the CBO score or how the exchanges work because the marketplace has roughly 12 million enrolles.

14 + 12 = 26 million

Not sure how that remaining 9 mil are getting covered unless the CBO is doesn't count them if they are voluntarily uninsured. In which case chongos number is 9 mil.
     
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Jul 20, 2017, 04:21 PM
 
Paul Ryan is bitching that CBO numbers are inaccurate because they count voluntarily uninsured under the umbrella of uninsured so IDK
     
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Jul 22, 2017, 07:12 PM
 
One of things I always miss is there's no one in favor or the ACHA/BRCA in here selling us on what specific benefits/improvements it makes. It's telling.
     
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Snake oil salesman is selling snake oil. Shocking.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Snake oil salesman is selling snake oil. Shocking.
That's not what I'm saying.
     
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Can anyone translate this Trump quote?

So pre-existing conditions are a tough deal. Because you are basically saying from the moment the insurance, you’re 21 years old, you start working and you’re paying $12 a year for insurance, and by the time you’re 70, you get a nice plan,
It seems to imply he thinks insurance is $12 a month.
     
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I was confused by that too.

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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Can anyone translate this Trump quote?



It seems to imply he thinks insurance is $12 a month.
The prevailing wisdom is that he was quoting prices from life insurance commercials that constantly run on Fox News. Because he doesn't know the difference.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Can anyone translate this Trump quote?



It seems to imply he thinks insurance is $12 a month.
One of our plans is $5 a month for single coverage. I think $12 is for couples. I don't recall the family copay. Cash is placed in an account to use for office visits, drugs etc, and has catastrophic coverage. We call it young and bulletproof option.

My company self insures(for over 45 years. We did have Cigna and Healthnet as options, but were dropped when they became too expensive. Our out of packet max has increased to avoid the "Cadillac plan" penalty.
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Originally Posted by Paco500 View Post
The prevailing wisdom is that he was quoting prices from life insurance commercials that constantly run on Fox News. Because he doesn't know the difference.
I find that hard to believe.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Can anyone translate this Trump quote?
I think the president made his thoughts clear on the matter, and I have no further comment.
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
I find that hard to believe.
Link to a commercial that apparently runs regularly on Fox News.

Gerber Life Grow-up Plan

Maybe saying he 'doesn't know the difference' is too harsh, but perhaps he believes they operate under similar conditions. I can't think of a theory that makes more sense.

I don't think it's a case of him just misspeaking as he quoted a similar ($15/month) to the economist earlier this year.
     
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No I've heard the gerber theory it's just too dumb for me.
     
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I just realized there's five female GOP senators and three of them have been noes at some point on this bill.
     
 
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