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New PowerMac: ATI or NVIDIA?
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I am currently looking at purchasing a new Dual 1.25 Power Mac, but I am unsure of which video card to select. I would like a side-by-side comparison on the new ATI 9000 Pro and the NVIDIA GeForce 4 Titanium. Besides the memory boost from 64 (ATI) to 128 (NVIDIA). I would like a run down of some applications and games (Final Cut Pro, Unreal Tourney, Fallout 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstien, Adobe Photoshop 6/7, etc. (hard hitting video specific titles)) I would like to see which card out performs the other.
Currently the ATI is right around the 315.00 price and the NVIDIA is 419.00 mind you these are wholesale prices from compusa.com.
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Originally posted by voth:
I am currently looking at purchasing a new Dual 1.25 Power Mac, but I am unsure of which video card to select. I would like a side-by-side comparison on the new ATI 9000 Pro and the NVIDIA GeForce 4 Titanium. Besides the memory boost from 64 (ATI) to 128 (NVIDIA). I would like a run down of some applications and games (Final Cut Pro, Unreal Tourney, Fallout 2, Return to Castle Wolfenstien, Adobe Photoshop 6/7, etc. (hard hitting video specific titles)) I would like to see which card out performs the other.
Currently the ATI is right around the 315.00 price and the NVIDIA is 419.00 mind you these are wholesale prices from compusa.com.
Personal advice, stick with the ATI until they release the 9700 mac card. It also is a 128 meg card with ATI's dependability and stability. The 9000 is a good card, and the 9700 should please you plenty when its released as direct competition for the ti.
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The GF4Ti is smoking the ATI 9000.
Remember that GF4Ti is nVidia's highend card, and ATI's is a lowend.
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Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch:
The GF4Ti is smoking the ATI 9000.
Remember that GF4Ti is nVidia's highend card, and ATI's is a lowend.
Right I should have actually commented on the cards you were asking about
From what I've seen, reviews of the PC versions of these cards shows the TI absolutely smokes the 9000 with pretty much anything, which is not surprising. The 9000 is not real competition for it at all; rather the 9000 is competition for earlier NV cards. The 9700 is competition, however I personally haven't a clue if and when Apple will ship these.
If you're looking for full breakdown comparisons, charted by game or program performance ratings, run a search for graphic card comparison charts etc and you should be able to find the PC ratings which can be quite in-depth.
Hope it helps.
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Or just keep waiting until the NV35 graphics card comes out, which will SLAUGHTER the 9700.
Nvidia all the way!
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Originally posted by slapdash:
Personal advice, stick with the ATI until they release the 9700 mac card. It also is a 128 meg card with ATI's dependability and stability. The 9000 is a good card, and the 9700 should please you plenty when its released as direct competition for the ti.
I was just reading about the 128 MB Radeon 9700 in MacAddict -- I'm just curious, as a video card ignoramus, what are the video card market limitations parameters that seem to dictate that a new higher powered card is always announced right after new Apple hardware?
Naive.
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Originally posted by milhous:
Or just keep waiting until the NV35 graphics card comes out, which will SLAUGHTER the 9700.
Nvidia all the way!
Maybe...
But that wont matter because by the time nVidia releases the GeForce 5, ATi will probably have released the Radeon 10,000.
Also, ATi will have had months to optimize their new Radeon drivers.
The competition will probably be a bit closer than you are letting on...
nVidia fan boy... ;-)
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The GeForce is the best card currently available for the Mac. But the ATI 9700 might be better when it comes out. But then Nvidia will come out with its fifth generation card. Then ATI will release its newest and then Nvidia, not to be outdone, will introduce its newest....and if you wait forever, you'll eventually die without buying anything. Bummer.
Your post suggests that you need advice about what to buy now, not what might be best at some unidentifiable date in the future. Today, the GeForce is the best pick. I have the PC version and it is a great card with nice drivers.
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On a similar note, how much difference is there between a GeForce 4MX and ATI Radeon 9000?
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Both my Mac and my PC run Nvidia cards. Attempted to use ATI, but their drivers are crap. ATI has good hardware, but the bad software they put out kills their cards. I have an ATI TV Tuner card in my PC and it will not work in WinXP, even though ATI says it will. Did 2 fresh installs of XP and installed the drivers for the tuner card results in the blue screen of death. The tuner works fine in Win2k, go figure.
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Originally posted by sideus:
Both my Mac and my PC run Nvidia cards. Attempted to use ATI, but their drivers are crap. ATI has good hardware, but the bad software they put out kills their cards. I have an ATI TV Tuner card in my PC and it will not work in WinXP, even though ATI says it will. Did 2 fresh installs of XP and installed the drivers for the tuner card results in the blue screen of death. The tuner works fine in Win2k, go figure.
I can second that.
I have not had any bad experiences with ATI on the Apple, but on the PC my experiences have been "less than wonderful". Bad drivers, failure to release drivers for new operating systems within a 12 month span, etc. (They may have improved, but I gave up on ATI about 3 or 4 years ago and went to nVidia. I haven't looked back.)
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Originally posted by Angus_D:
On a similar note, how much difference is there between a GeForce 4MX and ATI Radeon 9000?
GF4 MX is turd. It doesn't even support DX 8.1. It's just a POS that is best avoided. Just spend the few extra $$$ for a GF4 Ti4200.
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When I built my PC a few months backed, I picked up a Radeon 8500 for it.
I was a little worried because of all that I had heard about ATi's drivers, but before purchasing it, I noticed that ATi had began updating it's drivers almost monthly. Plus, TNT, GeForce, and GeForce 2 MX cards had given me terrible problems driver wise, so I figured giving ATi a shot couldnt hurt.
So, I installed Win XP Pro, and immediately downloaded ATi's latest drivers, and all I have to say is, that Radeon card was the best caard I haave ever owned, never had a single problem with it. (The PC is gone now, realized I still didnt like Windows, and XP was not going to change that...)
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Jaguar's System/Library/Extensions folder does not appear to have any files in it that are specific to the GeForce 4Ti. Will this card work with the existing drivers? If not, where can they be found?
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This isnt the PC world.
Pop the card in your AGP slot and enjoy.
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