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Oct 27, 2009, 01:43 PM
 
Hmm... Interesting.

Anyone see this poll?


I personally find this an interesting contrast to a lot of assertions I've heard recently about how conservatism is on the way out, and liberalism is all the rage. O'rly?

Of particular interest is the Americans Also Moving Right on Some Issues section as well.

No wonder the Obama administration and congress are in such a hurry to ram through Healthcare and Cap and Tax and other legislation. Better to get it done before the taxpaying public can collectively say 'no thanks' via the ballot box.

Thoughts? Opinions? Commentary? Spin?
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 01:47 PM
 
Thoughts? Obama probably helped the numbers.
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 01:59 PM
 
Thoughts: complete confusion and not knowing what to believe anymore. I've seen polls that show overwhelming support for the public option, for instance, despite the fact that no Conservative seems to like it. If the moderates plus liberals equals 56% and this is about Obama's approval rating right now, perhaps the vast majority of the moderates are Obama supporters?

If this is a reasonable conclusion, this is not a huge surprise to me. Obama has never been as left wing as the rabid right wing asserts, which is why many on the left are displeased with him.
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 02:18 PM
 
Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
If this is a reasonable conclusion, this is not a huge surprise to me. Obama has never been as left wing as the rabid right wing asserts, which is why many on the left are displeased with him.
Ahhh, the old call of the left.

1) He's left enough, let's vote him in.
2) Gah! Now he's in power he's turned into a conservative!
3) Hey look, there's a guy who's more left, let's vote him in.
4) Gah! Now he's in power he's turned into a conservative!
5) Hey look, there's a guy...
6) Etc., etc..

Blair. Lula. Now Barry. Same everywhere. Just lefties not understanding their own side of the fence.
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Oct 27, 2009, 02:58 PM
 
I don't think so. I think few saw him as a champion of the left.

Weren't there those that said that Bush wasn't conservative enough too? I guess ideologues always distance themselves from leaders when they don't want a perceived lack of success associated with their own ideology.
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 03:14 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Ahhh, the old call of the left.
Ahhh yes, no one but the left ever does this.
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 06:13 PM
 
We are hive mind of left. You will be assimilated.

I hate how one or two talking heads, or the craziest 1% of a group can think or say something and suddenly it's "THE LEFT SAYS THIS" or "LOOK WHAT THE RIGHT THINKS NOW! LOL!"

It's just tiresome. Most people are very reasonable and squarely in the middle somewhere. We all pay way to much attention to the nutjobs at the far end of either spectrum, and projecting their insanity on everyone.
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Oct 27, 2009, 06:42 PM
 
Originally Posted by ort888 View Post
We are hive mind of left. You will be assimilated.

I hate how one or two talking heads, or the craziest 1% of a group can think or say something and suddenly it's "THE LEFT SAYS THIS" or "LOOK WHAT THE RIGHT THINKS NOW! LOL!"

It's just tiresome. Most people are very reasonable and squarely in the middle somewhere. We all pay way to much attention to the nutjobs at the far end of either spectrum, and projecting their insanity on everyone.

This is understandable when there is confusion as to who the leader of the party is. Right now, I don't really know who represents the Republican party. Is it supposed to be Michael Steele? I hear from other outspoken Conservative/Republican political entities much more than I do him.

On the side of the left it is pretty clear that Obama leads the party, just as it was clear that Bush led the Republicans. It is very rare that Obama says something outright crazy, and all-in-all, the Democrats are overmatched when it comes to the arms race of stupid going on among Conservative voices ala Coulter/Hannity/Beck/Palin/Bachmann/et all.
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 08:19 PM
 
But the libs mouthpieces are the parrots in the mainstream media, NPR and the rest of the 'opinions and lies stated as facts' crowd. The leftist media has been lousy at getting facts out, and were caught repeating urban legends like quotes from Limbaugh. They all had to eat their words. Sloppy press and everybody who's paying attention to both sides see the lib press for the stooges they are. Just ask Dan Rather.
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 09:26 PM
 
It's the damn conservative media.

The conservative media make "liberal" a bad word.

Good thing is that only 20% of Americans identify themselves as Republican.
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Oct 27, 2009, 09:57 PM
 
Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE View Post
"conservatism is on the way out, and liberalism is all the rage."
I've mostly only heard this from conservatives complaining about a "lurch to the Left".
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 10:00 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Ahhh, the old call of the left.

1) He's left enough, let's vote him in.
2) Gah! Now he's in power he's turned into a conservative!
3) Hey look, there's a guy who's more left, let's vote him in.
4) Gah! Now he's in power he's turned into a conservative!
5) Hey look, there's a guy...
6) Etc., etc..

Blair. Lula. Now Barry. Same everywhere. Just lefties not understanding their own side of the fence.
I believe we heard the *exact* same things from the Right about Bush:

"Bush isn't a *true* conservative"
     
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Oct 27, 2009, 10:33 PM
 
Originally Posted by Wiskedjak View Post
"Bush isn't a *true* conservative"
What if we hate both of them?
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Oct 27, 2009, 10:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by Shaddim View Post
What if we hate both of them?
nuthin' wrong there. Personally, I think the kind of people that I'd like as politicians are the kind of people who have no taste for politics.
     
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Thoughts: complete confusion and not knowing what to believe anymore. I've seen polls that show overwhelming support for the public option, for instance, despite the fact that no Conservative seems to like it.
I'm not sure there's been any polls where either all the pertinent information about the "public option" is given at the time of polling, or that didn't use a sample specifically skewed in order to give that impression:

Hot Air � Blog Archive � WaPo/ABC poll uses skewed sample to show public-option support

..and this isn't an isolated incident. For years, they reported that slightly more people considered themselves "pro choice" - inferring those who favored strict limits on abortion where just a small minority. Of course, when you actually polled people about what they wanted or did not want in regards to abortion laws, the majority wanted laws which did further restrict abortion and not allow it to be just a "choice" of a form of birth control. Even those who wanted abortion to be legal in only some cases but considered themselves "pro choice".

Now the tables have turned and more people consider themselves "pro life" and we don't hear about the minority of abortion rights backers and how out of touch the Democrats are for supporting views which might be out of touch with the average American, as we did the Republicans in regards to "pro life".

So, if you are expecting polling from the media that reflects actual opinion and views of the electorate that is in any way accurate then I think you need to lower your standards. If a poll is positive for conservatives, I'd multiple the numbers by 25% to get what's probably a closer number. IF Obama's poll numbers are at 50%, I'm betting that you can take the margin of error on both sides and get it well bellow 50%.

That's exactly why people where shocked that Republicans came from out of no where and took over both houses of Congress in 1994 - the polling simply didn't reflect the attitudes and desires of most Americans because the polls are almost always skewed by the biases of those doing the polling to some degree or another.

I remember polling back in the late nineties done by USA TODAY where they asked about specific issues that normally where thought to be supported by liberals or conservatives. The conservative side of the issue won in just about every category, if I'm not mistaken. This is really nothing new.

Obama promised to be a middle of the road kind of President who would do things differently. He's made "change", but none of the kind that people where asking for and that he promised. He hasn't been 'post partisan" - he's been rabidly partisan. He hasn't sought out moderate compromise for tough issues - he's tried to force through the left-leaning goals of his party base since he's got into office and left most Republicans out of the loop without any real compromise. He hasn't done what he's promised to do in regards to Afghanistan, health care, the economy or most any other issue he's faced and I think that Democrats will find out the hard way in 2010 that they aren't likely to get away with it.
     
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Oct 28, 2009, 01:47 PM
 
Oh yeah, that multiply by 25% poll thing worked perfectly for the 2008 election.
     
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Oct 28, 2009, 03:25 PM
 
Hotair? Really? They don't know stats.
Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
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Oct 28, 2009, 11:10 PM
 
Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE View Post
Hmm... Interesting.

Anyone see this poll?


I personally find this an interesting contrast to a lot of assertions I've heard recently about how conservatism is on the way out, and liberalism is all the rage. O'rly?

Of particular interest is the Americans Also Moving Right on Some Issues section as well.

No wonder the Obama administration and congress are in such a hurry to ram through Healthcare and Cap and Tax and other legislation. Better to get it done before the taxpaying public can collectively say 'no thanks' via the ballot box.

Thoughts? Opinions? Commentary? Spin?
Wow, Conservatives double the number of liberals.

Yet liberals dominate the media, hollywood, public schools, university & colleges, NASA, Nobel Peace Price, Wikipedia, Facts, and make up a majority of scientist and engineers.
{/sarcasm}

You would think Liberal control the world.

Either conservatives are the dumbest group of people or conservatives keep lying to themselves that liberals run everything in the world from media to universities.


Just to show you that conservatives are the most paranoid group of people. Don't take away my guns. Gays taking over and turning everyone gay. Liberals taken over and turning everyone liberal. Oh no!!!

Liberal media!
Liberal schools!
Liberal Nobel Prize!
Liberal Scientist!
Liberal Professors!

Haha...


I on the other hand know US is dominated by Conservatives and religious folks.

Over 79% of the US are Christians after-all. No surprise here.

Divorce rates, highest in the world.
Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
June 2001: 132,047,000 employed
June 2003: 129,839,000 employed
2.21 million jobs were LOST after 2 years of Bush Tax Cuts.
     
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Oct 28, 2009, 11:19 PM
 
Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
Liberals taken over and turning everyone liberal. Oh no!!!

Liberal media!
Liberal schools!
Liberal Nobel Prize!
Liberal Scientist!
Liberal Professors!

Haha...


I on the other hand know US is dominated by Conservatives and religious folks.
Liberals *must* be dominating those institutions. How else to explain the election of liberal politicians in a country dominated by conservatives?
     
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Liberals *must* be dominating those institutions. How else to explain the election of liberal politicians in a country dominated by conservatives?
The same reason 2 of the last 3 California governments are Republicans. A state dominated by Democrats.

They don't always vote down party lines.


Oh, you mean Obama, the most liberal of leftist senators?

Obama isn't even a progressive. He's a moderate with friends in Wallstreet.
Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
June 2001: 132,047,000 employed
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Oct 29, 2009, 04:22 AM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Thoughts? Obama probably helped the numbers.
A pretty safe bet. Call it the Jimmy Carter effect.
     
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Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
Obama isn't even a progressive. He's a moderate ...


Thanks for the great joke.

I needed that before going to bed.

-t
     
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Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
Yet liberals dominate the media, hollywood, public schools, university & colleges, NASA, Nobel Peace Price, Wikipedia, Facts, and make up a majority of scientist and engineers.
Their influence (due to an innate ability to deceive - see: Obama) does far outweigh their numbers.
     
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Originally Posted by stupendousman View Post
Their influence (due to an innate ability to deceive - see: Obama) does far outweigh their numbers.
There's a gay liberal hiding in your closest.
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Thanks for the great joke.

I needed that before going to bed.

-t
Don't tell you. You believe everything Fox news tells you.

What are a few most liberal things Obama has done since taking office?

The only thing liberal Obama has done is scare paranoid conservatives into buying tons of guns and ammo.

Oh no, a liberal is president!

Lets buy tons of guns and ammo.

Conservatives. What a bunch of paranoid people.

Reason why Glenn Beck, a conspiracy theorist, is so popular. Feeding to the fear and paranoia of conservatives.
Bush Tax Cuts == Job Killer
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June 2003: 129,839,000 employed
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Originally Posted by hyteckit View Post
Don't tell you. You believe everything Fox news tells you.

What are a few most liberal things Obama has done since taking office?

The only thing liberal Obama has done is scare paranoid conservatives into buying tons of guns and ammo.

Oh no, a liberal is president!

Lets buy tons of guns and ammo.

Conservatives. What a bunch of paranoid people.

Reason why Glenn Beck, a conspiracy theorist, is so popular. Feeding to the fear and paranoia of conservatives.
I don't own a gun, but the ideas coming from him and his advisors (current and former) do have me uneasy. It's sad that many progressives actually believe that this country needs to be re-founded with a socialistic agenda. That is not a conspiracy to me, it is fact. Straight from their mouths.

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Oct 29, 2009, 03:15 PM
 
Lint: do you have any idea how far off the US is from socialism? Are you *really* afraid that you will wake up one day to a socialist country? Really, get a grip. The US is so incredibly far away from socialism that worry is frankly laughable, and nothing that is being proposed or discussed changes this.

If our free market Democracy is so great in your mind why is it so simultaneously fragile in your mind?
     
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Originally Posted by Lint Police View Post
I don't own a gun, but the ideas coming from him and his advisors (current and former) do have me uneasy. It's sad that many progressives actually believe that this country needs to be re-founded with a socialistic agenda. That is not a conspiracy to me, it is fact. Straight from their mouths.
Let me feed your frenzy.

Czars, Czars, Czars.
Socialist, Socialist, Socialist.
Marxist, Marxist, Marxist.
Communist, Communist, Communist.
Maoist, Maoist, Maoist.


Obama is indoctrinating your kids.
New World Order.
Obama's secret army.
Obama is a secret foreign born Muslim who plan on destroying America from within.
Public Option is a plan to kill old people.
Net Neutrality is a secret plan to take over your internet and communications.
Obama Admin encouragement of volunteering is a secret plot to encourage communism.


Arm up conservatives! Buy up more guns and ammo!
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Don't forget taxes!
     
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I wouldn't mind the frenzy if they were accompanied by alternate ideas to make things better. The "no, we can't do *that*" gets old. What was the last piece of Republican legislation anyway, allowing guns on Amtrak?
     
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Lint: do you have any idea how far off the US is from socialism? Are you *really* afraid that you will wake up one day to a socialist country?
Uhm, yeah, you have never lived bordering socialist countries, I have.
Germany had to clean up the mess of Socialist Eastern Germany. We know what it's like.

My mother comes from a socialist (eastern European) country, yours (most likely) doesn't.

I KNOW when I see / smell / feel it, you pie-in-the-sky democrats DON'T have a clue.

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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Lint: do you have any idea how far off the US is from socialism? Are you *really* afraid that you will wake up one day to a socialist country? Really, get a grip. The US is so incredibly far away from socialism that worry is frankly laughable, and nothing that is being proposed or discussed changes this.

If our free market Democracy is so great in your mind why is it so simultaneously fragile in your mind?
So, do you deny what they have said and seem to believe? Remember, it is straight out of their mouths. They have no defense for what they have said.

I never said we were on the brink, I just prefer not to go down the path any farther than we already have. Hearing them talk, I am not so sure that is the case.

It is why I usually don't bother speaking my mind in this forum. It simply is your way or no way. If I believe that their philosophy of what I want America to look like 10 years from now, is not what I envision, I am told that I am a conspiracy pusher or worse yet just plain stupid.

I give up. See you in the soup line.

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Uhm, yeah, you have never lived bordering socialist countries, I have.
Germany had to clean up the mess of Socialist Eastern Germany. We know what it's like.

My mother comes from a socialist (eastern European) country, yours (most likely) doesn't.

I KNOW when I see / smell / feel it, you pie-in-the-sky democrats DON'T have a clue.

-t

Wake me up when there is a little more to go on than just gut feelings. My gut feeling tells me this is overblown rhetoric.
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So, do you deny what they have said and seem to believe? Remember, it is straight out of their mouths. They have no defense for what they have said.

I never said we were on the brink, I just prefer not to go down the path any farther than we already have. Hearing them talk, I am not so sure that is the case.

It is why I usually don't bother speaking my mind in this forum. It simply is your way or no way. If I believe that their philosophy of what I want America to look like 10 years from now, is not what I envision, I am told that I am a conspiracy pusher or worse yet just plain stupid.

I give up. See you in the soup line.

You should know by now that you need to make an argument to gain some traction in a debate, and even then around here this usually doesn't go very far in persuading people anyway. Just the way it is, and this is not a problem exclusive to either side.

If we aren't on the brink of anything, why you are predicting to find me in a soup line?
     
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Uhm, yeah, you have never lived bordering socialist countries, I have.
Germany had to clean up the mess of Socialist Eastern Germany. We know what it's like.

My mother comes from a socialist (eastern European) country, yours (most likely) doesn't.

I KNOW when I see / smell / feel it, you pie-in-the-sky democrats DON'T have a clue.

-t
Haha...

Is Canada a socialist country?
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Haha...

Is Canada a socialist country?
Only when it suits an argument.
     
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Sweden is socialist, and everyone knows what a sh*thole Sweden is. I mean, the Swedish Empire looks like someone suffering from E.D. That's how socialist it is.
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Today, with the elections we'll hear the White house spinmeisters saying it wasn't a referendum, but If the votes had gone the other way I'm sure they would have claimed responsibility.
     
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Today, with the elections we'll hear the White house spinmeisters saying it wasn't a referendum, but If the votes had gone the other way I'm sure they would have claimed responsibility.
Let's see how the idiots concerned citizens in New Jersey vote.

Since almost half of them still back that corrupt, inept scumbag Corzine, I have decided they thoroughly earned their position as "armpit of America".

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I've heard on our local nooze that there is already a large number of 'voter fraud' type issues going on there. Their election may not be over for several months/lawsuits.
     
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Let's see how the idiots concerned citizens in New Jersey vote.

Since almost half of them still back that corrupt, inept scumbag Corzine, I have decided they thoroughly earned their position as "armpit of America".

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I've heard New Jersey was a socialist country.
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June 2003: 129,839,000 employed
2.21 million jobs were LOST after 2 years of Bush Tax Cuts.
     
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I've heard New Jersey was a socialist country.
You gonna move there ?

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You gonna move there ?

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Nah. It was a socialist country.

Now it's just part of the U.S.S.A

United States of Socialist America.
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I think it's about time for a Socialist MacNN witch hunt.

I think Abe is a secret Socialist.
     
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As the paranoid conservative base becomes more frighten and scared, they stock pile on guns and ammo.

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June 2003: 129,839,000 employed
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As the paranoid conservative base becomes more frighten and scared, they stock pile on guns and ammo.
... and gold. After the "fundamental transformation of Amerika" and the new global economy, these people will be your employers. They'll dress you funny, take you to church, and make you drop out of school.
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I think it's about time for a Socialist MacNN witch hunt.

I think Abe is a secret Socialist.
Are you opposed to socialism besson?
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Its about more people getting guns as a way to exercise the 2nd amendment, when all our rights are being altered. The more people with guns means the more guns the government will have to take from us by force. I hope you enjoy being forced into gov't insurance programs and having to pay lots higher taxes. Thoes taxes will mean you might not be middle class anymore, but lower class. Thats what they want. Don't you see the pattern to ruin our economy, ruin the Dollar, take over and ruin every industry they can? Radical leftists at work.
     
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
Its about more people getting guns as a way to exercise the 2nd amendment, when all our rights are being altered. The more people with guns means the more guns the government will have to take from us by force. I hope you enjoy being forced into gov't insurance programs and having to pay lots higher taxes. Thoes taxes will mean you might not be middle class anymore, but lower class. Thats what they want. Don't you see the pattern to ruin our economy, ruin the Dollar, take over and ruin every industry they can? Radical leftists at work.
Halloween is over, you can take your tinfoil hat off now.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Halloween is over, you can take your tinfoil hat off now.
You just keep living in your Utopian fantasy.
     
 
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