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Uncle Skeleton
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Jun 8, 2011, 06:26 PM
 
All I know is what's in the article:
"Ms Dugard has received a $20m (£12m) settlement from the state of California, which has acknowledged repeated mistakes in the monitoring of Phillip Garrido."

It seems pretty clear. Even if the "memoir" was mentioned nearby (which it isn't), the state of CA wouldn't be the party paying for the memoir, so...
     
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Jun 8, 2011, 07:07 PM
 
You are correct, I misread.

However, perhaps the state of California will monitor its sex offenders a bit more closely in future.
     
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Jun 8, 2011, 10:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
All I know is what's in the article:
"Ms Dugard has received a $20m (£12m) settlement from the state of California, which has acknowledged repeated mistakes in the monitoring of Phillip Garrido."

It seems pretty clear. Even if the "memoir" was mentioned nearby (which it isn't), the state of CA wouldn't be the party paying for the memoir, so...
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Jun 9, 2011, 06:56 AM
 
Why? Canada gives money to persons wrongfully imprisoned. Don't think there's been anything nearly as high as $20 mil, but then again I don't think there's been such a tragically outrageous story either.

If she hadn't been "given" the money, she would've sued and won it - it seems pretty clear here that Cali is acknowledging outright negligence on their part.
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Jun 9, 2011, 07:13 AM
 
The state of California has rightly noted that they "dropped the ball" numerous times in their investigation of many issues involving Jaycee and her kidnappers. The state has apparently decided that it's cheaper to just offer a lot of money (on a personal, not state, scale) to keep Jaycee from suing for a whole lot more. This is actually both a decent acknowledgement of failure to perform the state's basic function of protecting its citizens, and a wise cost-containment move.

What I would like to see as part of such a settlement is at least that same amount of money going to KEEPING IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. Funding children's' protective services adequately, establishing systems for law enforcement to work with other agencies when investigating "odd" child environments, and so on, would be a good start.

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Jun 10, 2011, 04:43 AM
 
There was an interview on the BBC with another kidnap (German I think) victim who was held for over ten years. She even went out to the shops with her kidnapper.

She described how he had convinced her that if she tried to run she would be caught, tortured and killed so she stayed put for all those years. Finally he left the garden gate open while he was mowing the lawn and she went for it. She described how terrifying making the decision to run was, the fear of not making it out of the gate and the potential repercussions. It was quite terrifying to listen too.

Anyway, she ran, made it and ran up the street screaming. The guy is now in jail and she got his house as compensation.

Having heard her talk I can easily see how and why a victim would stay. Once your will to escape is broken it seems difficult to get it back. Anyone who thinks she must have been in any way a willing accomplice is just plain wrong.
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Jun 10, 2011, 06:26 AM
 
Yep - and I imagine it would make a huge impact if your kids were involved too....
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Jun 10, 2011, 08:37 AM
 
Not with a human, but a relevant illustration of conditioning.

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Jun 10, 2011, 02:21 PM
 
Originally Posted by ghporter View Post
The state of California has rightly noted that they "dropped the ball" numerous times in their investigation of many issues involving Jaycee and her kidnappers. The state has apparently decided that it's cheaper to just offer a lot of money (on a personal, not state, scale) to keep Jaycee from suing for a whole lot more. This is actually both a decent acknowledgement of failure to perform the state's basic function of protecting its citizens, and a wise cost-containment move.

What I would like to see as part of such a settlement is at least that same amount of money going to KEEPING IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. Funding children's' protective services adequately, establishing systems for law enforcement to work with other agencies when investigating "odd" child environments, and so on, would be a good start.
Can you pass the "idealistic drink on the rocks"?
     
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Jun 10, 2011, 02:22 PM
 
Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
There was an interview on the BBC with another kidnap (German I think) victim who was held for over ten years. She even went out to the shops with her kidnapper.

She described how he had convinced her that if she tried to run she would be caught, tortured and killed so she stayed put for all those years. Finally he left the garden gate open while he was mowing the lawn and she went for it. She described how terrifying making the decision to run was, the fear of not making it out of the gate and the potential repercussions. It was quite terrifying to listen too.

Anyway, she ran, made it and ran up the street screaming. The guy is now in jail and she got his house as compensation.

Having heard her talk I can easily see how and why a victim would stay. Once your will to escape is broken it seems difficult to get it back. Anyone who thinks she must have been in any way a willing accomplice is just plain wrong.
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Jun 10, 2011, 02:31 PM
 
Originally Posted by freudling View Post
Can you pass the "idealistic drink on the rocks"?
Idealism isn't explaining what actually happened, that's called "realism." Idealism is when you piss and moan because the real world doesn't run at 100% efficiency. You're the one standing on that side of the line, friend.
     
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Jun 10, 2011, 02:34 PM
 
Originally Posted by freudling View Post
Charles Darwin: survival of the fittest.
Jaycee already made two kids before turning 18. From a darwinian perspective she's fitter than average.
     
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Jun 10, 2011, 10:26 PM
 
Originally Posted by Uncle Skeleton View Post
Idealism isn't explaining what actually happened, that's called "realism." Idealism is when you piss and moan because the real world doesn't run at 100% efficiency. You're the one standing on that side of the line, friend.
+1

What a cold, heartless person. It must be tough to be so perfect.
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