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MBPs and FW3200
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What are the chances that the new MacBook Pro will have support for the new FireWire standard (3.2 Gbps)?
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Not going to happen with the coming refresh. If at all.
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Yeah, I'd say it's highly unlikely. Apple has historically been very slow to adopt improvements in Firewire.
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Originally Posted by Big Mac 
Yeah, I'd say it's highly unlikely. Apple has historically been very slow to adopt improvements in Firewire.
really? as far as i know, they're the only ones to even use FW800 in any kind of mainstream way.
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Not at all mainstream. Apple considered it a "pro" feature. And thanks to that stupid approach they basically killed it on PCs. 
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The iMacs have FW800, and that's the consumer desktop. Anyway, if Apple is "slow" to adopt Firewire, then what are PC manufacturers? glacial?
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If Apple were a fast adopter of its own pet technology, Firewire 800 would be on every Mac by now.
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Originally Posted by w8ing4intelmacs
Anyway, if Apple is "slow" to adopt Firewire, then what are PC manufacturers? glacial?
Practical - there's nearly zero demand for it outside the pro audio/video market; for the few users who want it, they can buy PCIe/EC cards.
If you want 3Gb/s, use eSATA; if you want 3Gb/s for something other than disk, what are you doing? 
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Originally Posted by w8ing4intelmacs
The iMacs have FW800, and that's the consumer desktop.
Apple clealy positioned them as the prosumer desktops. FW800 used to be only on the very top end iMac. And a long time before it wasn't there at all actually. Similarly they put it on the MBP, but not on the MB. And the mini still lacks it which is especially bad, because it has neither PCIe slots nor an EC slot to add the feature later.
Anyway, if Apple is "slow" to adopt Firewire, then what are PC manufacturers? glacial?
The point is that Apple had to force this technology onto the market against competitors. USB is slower and host-bound, but it's ubiquitous. eSATA (in its current variant) doesn't offer bus power and is restricted to short cable lengths, but it is fast and inexpensive plus for disks you don't need a bridge. There were and still are good reasons to use FW800 over other technologies, but Apple has successfully prevented it from being broadly adopted for too long now. USB3 will offer better speeds than USB2, and eSATA will finally (duh, that took long enough) get power. Had Apple pushed FW800 onto the market aggressively (they could have done that already 5 years ago!) rather than try and pitch it as some kind of pro thing it might have had a chance. The way they played it, it will disappear. I can pretty much guarantee you that.
If you're interested in the topic, Jim Wiebe (from Wiebetech) wrote a nice paper on the FW evolution (there's a follow-up here). He outlines pretty much what Apple did wrong and what the consequences will be.
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