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Oct 13, 2016, 11:36 AM
 
So what does Assange expect to get out of this whole situation? We know he is holed up in the Ecuador Embassy in the UK, with threat of arrest if he takes one step out of there. Is it possible that he expects Trump to grant him asylum in the US, should he become President? And what if Assange has the "death blow" for Hillary still waiting to be released maybe one week before the General Election? Does he just do it, or does he cut a deal with Trump first, assuring him he would grant him asylum when he becomes President? Or does Assange just spend the next 4 years in the Ecuador Embassy with the satisfaction that he made such a significant difference in US history until the statute of limitations in Sweden expires?
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 11:55 AM
 
Is there even a way to do that without violating U.K. sovereignty?

Like... we'd need to violate U.K. airspace and land a black helicopter on the embassy lawn.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 12:15 PM
 
I was skeptical of the rumors of wikileaks ties to Russia, but it looks like RT managed to post their latest leak before they did.

I obviously am not cool with a foreign power trying to covertly influence an election but the complete lack of outrage from the right is flabbergasting. If the shoe was on the other foot it'd be on Fox News 24/7.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 12:30 PM
 
Well, if the shoe was on the other foot, Russia would be trying to sink the Republicans. Obviously they'd react differently.

That said, rewarding a foreign power who attacks domestic political opponents is twelve kinds of unforgivable.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 12:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Is there even a way to do that without violating U.K. sovereignty?

Like... we'd need to violate U.K. airspace and land a black helicopter on the embassy lawn.
The timing might coincide with Brexit finally happening on March 2017. It could be part of Trump negotiating a new trade deal that they release Assange into US custody.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 12:44 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Well, if the shoe was on the other foot, Russia would be trying to sink the Republicans. Obviously they'd react differently.

That said, rewarding a foreign power who attacks domestic political opponents is twelve kinds of unforgivable.
You know what I'm saying, though. The democratic reaction to this is probably more subdued than it should be, but the reverse would make the GOP apoplectic. I'm constantly surprised how far they're willing to sell out their own principles for a weak shot at the presidency.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 12:52 PM
 
Originally Posted by anthology123 View Post
The timing might coincide with Brexit finally happening on March 2017. It could be part of Trump negotiating a new trade deal that they release Assange into US custody.
Which would **** Sweden over, who will cry bloody murder so loud it gets heard in Berlin and Paris.

Over this douchebag?
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
You know what I'm saying, though. The democratic reaction to this is probably more subdued than it should be, but the reverse would make the GOP apoplectic. I'm constantly surprised how far they're willing to sell out their own principles for a weak shot at the presidency.
Even if you take principles out of it, "what goes around comes around" is Politics 101.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 01:31 PM
 
Perhaps the croc tears from the Clinton campaign is just MORE BS?
Who actually KNOWS who did the hack?
Claims from THIS administration WILL BE LIES.
Its been SOP for almost 8 years.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 01:45 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Even if you take principles out of it, "what goes around comes around" is Politics 101.
Eh?
     
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Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
Eh?
If you do something to your opponent, expect it to be done back at you.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 04:05 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
Which would **** Sweden over, who will cry bloody murder so loud it gets heard in Berlin and Paris.

Over this douchebag?
If we know Trump well, he doesn't trust anyone outside of his family, and he certainly doesn't trust Assange. I would speculate what would happen is this:
Assange will post the silver bullet on Hillary in trade for asylum in the US. Trump gets elected president, he arranges with UK and Sweden to give Assange asylum. The moment Assange steps foot on US soil, he will be promptly sent to a Federal prison (or Gitmo even) and be charged by Trump for espionage and a traitor, lock him up with no internet access for the rest of his life.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 04:40 PM
 
Originally Posted by subego View Post
If you do something to your opponent, expect it to be done back at you.
My point is Dems don't do it back. Certainly not with intensity and conviction of the right.
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 05:37 PM
 
Originally Posted by The Final Dakar View Post
My point is Dems don't do it back. Certainly not with intensity and conviction of the right.
Or perhaps since you hang out in dem circles and read dem publications, it just doesn't seem that way to you?
     
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Oct 13, 2016, 07:41 PM
 
I had a though come to me. If Hillary gets elected there's a change she can make policy and be effective. This depends on the makeup of congress of course. If Trump gets elected the likely hood of him making any kind of effective policy on his own initiative is very small. Given the amount of support he has from the Republicans. So a vote for Trump is actually a vote for the status quo.
     
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Originally Posted by BLAZE_MkIV View Post
I had a though come to me. If Hillary gets elected there's a change she can make policy and be effective. This depends on the makeup of congress of course. If Trump gets elected the likely hood of him making any kind of effective policy on his own initiative is very small. Given the amount of support he has from the Republicans. So a vote for Trump is actually a vote for the status quo.
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Oct 14, 2016, 06:53 AM
 
So now we find Clinton, Democrats and George Soros were planning an infiltration of the Catholic Church. Nice. Typical.
     
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Oct 14, 2016, 06:49 PM
 
Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So now we find Clinton, Democrats and George Soros were planning an infiltration of the Catholic Church. Nice. Typical.
And where do we 'find' that?
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Originally Posted by BadKosh View Post
So now we find Clinton, Democrats and George Soros were planning an infiltration of the Catholic Church. Nice. Typical.
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And where do we 'find' that?
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https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6293
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Subject: Re: opening for a Catholic Spring? just musing . . .
From: John Podesta <[email protected]>
To: Sandy Newman <[email protected]>
CC: Tara McGuinness <[email protected]>
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We created Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good to organize for a
moment like this. But I think it lacks the leadership to do so now.
Likewise Catholics United. Like most Spring movements, I think this
one will have to be bottom up. I'll discuss with Tara. Kathleen
Kennedy Townsend is the other person to consult.
On 2/10/12, Sandy Newman <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi, John,
>
> This whole controversy with the bishops opposing contraceptive coverage even
> though 98% of Catholic women (and their conjugal partners) have used
> contraception has me thinking . . . There needs to be a Catholic Spring, in
> which Catholics themselves demand the end of a middle ages dictatorship and
> the beginning of a little democracy and respect for gender equality in the
> Catholic church. Is contraceptive coverage an issue around which that could
> happen. The Bishops will undoubtedly continue the fight. Does the Catholic
> Hospital Association support of the Administration's new policy, together
> with "the 98%" create an opportunity?
>
> Of course, this idea may just reveal my total lack of understanding of the
> Catholic church, the economic power it can bring to bear against nuns and
> priests who count on it for their maintenance, etc. Even if the idea isn't
> crazy, I don't qualify to be involved and I have not thought at all about
> how one would "plant the seeds of the revolution," or who would plant them.
> Just wondering . . .
>
> Hoping you're well, and getting to focus your time in the ways you want.
>
> Sandy
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> Sandy Newman, President
> Voices for Progress
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Oct 15, 2016, 08:21 AM
 
So John, Sandy and Tara were all pretty early adopters of gmail by the looks of this.
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Oct 15, 2016, 09:41 AM
 
I'm not sure if that's a joke.
     
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Oct 15, 2016, 10:27 AM
 
It has to be a joke, he can't be that dense. If you have enough influence (or just pay them), Google will take other people's addresses to give you the one you want. You don't own your email address, it's their service.
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Oct 15, 2016, 04:57 PM
 
So all three of these people had their assistants take the time to track down someone at Google and bribe them for an email address each? Sounds very likely indeed.

I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Oct 15, 2016, 06:00 PM
 
So Wikileaks has posted this handy resource:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/

If you search for "gmail.com" there are loads of gmail addresses and almost all of them are conspicuously clean without numbers or initial tacked everywhere to make them unique. In the first two pages of results I think there are two with (low) numbers and more than a dozen clean ones. There is no way in hell all these people bribed Google officials for email addresses. They all have other addresses. Why would they bother? You guys are nuts. Wikileaks is just making shit up at this point. If their credibility didn't evaporate with Assange's book launch stunt, its sure gone now.
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Oct 16, 2016, 07:10 PM
 
I really feel like if Wikileaks wants traction on this stuff, they need to curate better.
     
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Oct 16, 2016, 08:38 PM
 
Guys, these emails are fakes. Come on.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
I really feel like if Wikileaks wants traction on this stuff, they need to curate better.
How well thet are curated has nothing to do with that. The emails show that the networks are in the tank for Clinton.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Guys, these emails are fakes. Come on.
Hillary's Abe Lincoln answer confirms their authenticity. Podesta trolled Asange about his risotto recipe, it backfired.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787045480890982400
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Interesting CSPAN answer from Dr Stein.
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Her naiveté is downright adorable.
     
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Duuuuuuh....................

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Friends of Bill received special treatment for Haiti earthquake relief contracts.
'FOBs': How Hillary's State Dept. Gave Special Attention to 'Friends of Bill' After Haiti Quake - ABC News
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I ain't even touching RT.
     
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Much better. Thank you!
     
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Oct 17, 2016, 12:06 PM
 
Dude needs him some LTE.

That's what I do when the state party Comcast severs my internet.
     
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Once again, how not surprising. The DNC and the Clinton campaign have paid stooges at Trump rallys.
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She used that as her campaign "bus" during the primaries, which would necessitate the bed.

That said, I can't remember the last time a major player didn't use an actual bus.
     
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The FBI is starting to like the Chicago PD during the Capone era.
FBI confirms: Officials discussed deal to cover up Clinton emails | Washington Examiner
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I'm sure most campaign busses have beds. The point of these things is to drive overnight from dinner speech in topeka to breakfast address in toledo.
     
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I'm sure most campaign busses have beds. The point of these things is to drive overnight from dinner speech in topeka to breakfast address in toledo.
Well, that's what's (at least mildly) notable. Campaigns have busses because they have beds. They just come that way when you rent one.

Vans don't come with beds. They have to be put in special, and as noted in the email, aren't very good.

If she needed a bed, she could have rented a bus, like everyone else does.
     
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What think you, OAW?
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This is how I feel right now.

     
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Originally Posted by Chongo View Post
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Dude needs him some LTE.

That's what I do when the state party Comcast severs my internet.
It appears that someone has put pressure on the Ecuadorian embassy.
https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/788099178832420865
We can confirm Ecuador cut off Assange's internet access Saturday, 5pm GMT, shortly after publication of Clinton's Goldman Sachs speechs.
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Hillary is such a "friend" to the black community:

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