[vertigociel]

So, my family was in the market for a new iMac, to replace our old eMachines box from 2005. When the new iMacs came out today, we went to our local Church of Apple and picked them up pronto - the cashier told us we were the first to buy one at that particular store. We got the baseline 20 inch model.

Initial Impressions
It is a damn sexy machine. I'm sure you've all seen the photos, but it's even sweeter in real life. The screen is now flush with the surface, and sports a nice glossy black border. The brushed metal enclosure is about 3/4 of an inch thick, and about 1 1/2 inches with the bulge on the back taken into account. The iChin is about 1/2 the height of the Intel iMac's.
It's also very very quiet - It's hard to tell if it uses fans or just passive cooling! While re-installing Tiger after partitioning the drive, I could only hear the fans if the room was silent, and I listened closely. Certainly the 17 inch Rev A iMac G5 is much louder than this thing, even on idle.
Another nice feature is the RAM location - instead of cracking the machine open, there's a little door on the bottom between the speakers that pops open with a phillips screwdriver, and reveals the RAM slots. I'm not sure if the previous Intel iMacs had this feature, but the G5 certainly didn't and it's a nice touch.
I don't like the switch away from matte screens, but it does come with a cloth to wipe off that über-reflective glossy finish.
I played around with GarageBand a little - the "Magic Song" feature is nifty, and I can imagine it will be extremely useful to throw together a theme song for your family vacation DVD. It also contains a few added niceties, like an option that lets you use your keyboard as a Piano, rather than having to click that blasted on-screen Piano keyboard.
Which brings me to by far the coolest thing, in my opinion - the keyboard. It is ridiculously thin - think a couple of credit cards stacked on top of the other. The keys are very responsive - on the old desktop keyboard, I have to pound the keys down, now they respond with a light tap. There's also no deep crevices for dirt and gunk to collect. It's a tremendous improvement, and I can't wait until they start selling them separately.
Overall, I'm highly impressed with this, although I haven't had ample opportunity to put it through its paces.

Next Post - Pictures!

[im_noahselby]

Congrats! The new iMacs look sweet. I can't wait to see your pics

[vertigociel]

Unboxing and setup pictures!

The Box -



Cracking it Open -



Taking it Out -



Back in Black -




All set up - time to turn it on.


Oh, Apple logo, your simple beauty fills my life with a sense of child-like wonder.


The micro-fiber cloth for wiping the screen down.


I've got a lovely bunch of Macintoshes...


A close up of that marvelous new keyboard - if it's hard to make out, the apple logo is indeed missing from the command keys, replaced by "command." Expose is now on F3, and Dashboard is on F4. F7, 8, and 9 are now rewind, play/pause, and fast forward, while F10-F12 are the volume control keys.

That wraps up my initial impression of the new iMac - i'll add more as I put it through its paces, and play around with iLife '08 more extensively. If you have any specific questions, just ask and I'll do my best to provide answers.

[WOPR]

Nice, my brother is buying one soon which will make me insanely jealous

[Annette310]

Nice pictures! Thanks for sharing.

[funkboy]

Glad to hear it is quiet

What is the new iMovie like? Is it less buggy, and less DV-cam-dependent than the previous iMovie was? I am very excited to try that out. How speedy does the new iMovie feel on it? It is not supported on G4s, so I'm thinking that will be a processor intensive guy.

Does it take full size RAM? How much RAM does yours have, and how much paging and slowdown do you see with many apps open (Safari, Mail, iPhoto, iTunes, and some other pick-your-choice program) and you try to pull up Dashboard quickly to check something? Does it take ages for it to pull up the Dashboard?

I will likely upgrade, and currently I use a G4 1.42GHz Mac Mini... with only 512MB RAM. I think it's time... and I want 4GB of RAM for my new iMac if I get it.

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by funkboy 

What is the new iMovie like? Is it less buggy, and less DV-cam-dependent than the previous iMovie was? I am very excited to try that out. How speedy does the new iMovie feel on it? It is not supported on G4s, so I'm thinking that will be a processor intensive guy.

The new interface is a big improvement. It's much easier to find footage in clips and drag it into the timeline - just click once to set the start point, again to set the end point, and drag over the portion you need to the timeline. It automatically splits up footage into thumbnails for every five seconds of footage, so you don't have to dig through to find what you're looking for. It feels very speedy on the most basic model, with Garageband, iPhoto, iDVD, and iTunes all open.

Originally Posted by funkboy 

Does it take full size RAM? How much RAM does yours have, and how much paging and slowdown do you see with many apps open (Safari, Mail, iPhoto, iTunes, and some other pick-your-choice program) and you try to pull up Dashboard quickly to check something? Does it take ages for it to pull up the Dashboard?

The Apple website says it takes PC2-5300 SO-DIMM's. We just stuck with the basic 1GB, and it starts to page pretty quickly with just a couple minute long iMovie project. I don't have an internet connection for the iMac just yet (c'mon Comcast, you've had seven days!), so once I get that hooked up and start using my typical array of apps (Camino, iTunes, Mail, Adium, Photoshop/Flash CS3, Painter X, processing), I'll be able to report on paging and snappiness. Dashboard is very responsive while working with iMovie, Garageband, and iPhoto, but it's only populated with basic Widgets (World Clock, Tile Game, Unit Converter, Dictionary, etc) until there's a net connection.

Originally Posted by funkboy 

I will likely upgrade, and currently I use a G4 1.42GHz Mac Mini... with only 512MB RAM. I think it's time... and I want 4GB of RAM for my new iMac if I get it.

Coming from that, the new iMac will be a twofold improvement, if not more so, especially with 4GB of Ram. I have 2GB of RAM on my 2.16 C2D MBP, and I almost never page out unless I'm working with humongous (3000 x 4000 pixel) or larger images in Photoshop CS3 and Painter X simultaneously.

Hope that answers your questions.

[docprego]

Thank you for posting those pictures, your iMac looks fantastic!

I have 3 questions I was hoping you might answer:

1.Could give your detailed impressions of the screen quality. Seeing that other iMac on your desk could you possibly compare the new screen to that one?

2.Is the mighty mouse still white like it always was or did they change the color to match the enclosure and keyboard? (I guess white would technically still be a match due to the keys on the keyboard being white)

3.Is it true that the remote no longer magnetically attaches on to the case?

Thank you!

[vertigociel]

Not at all! I love getting my geek on like this. Yay for living vicariously through internet fora!

1. The screen is much brighter than my old iMac (a Rev A G5). The quality is great - very sharp, sharper than the old screen (although that one has three years of accumulated crap on the surface). A comfortable DPI, as long as I don't lean in too close (else I see the pixels with my youthful 20/15 vision - probably not a problem for most people). It doesn't have the slight sparkle/glitter that I had on my old iMac and now on my matte MBP screen.

2. The mighty mouse is still the same white it's always been - I imagine it would be hard to bend Aluminium to the shapes required for the mighty mouse.

3. The remote does not attach to the case magnetically any longer. One more thing to keep track of, unfortunately.

One more thing - it no longer has the soothing, pulsating, sleep light anywhere on it - one of the sacrifices of the aluminium enclosure. There's no way to tell if it's turned off or just asleep short of trying to wake it up - although I rarely turn my macs off anyways, so it's not that big of a deal.

[ddma]

Congratulation!

[dru]

Could you post XBench results for it?

[analogika]

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

So, my family was in the market for a new iMac, to replace our old eMachIt also contains a few added niceties, like an option that lets you use your keyboard as a Piano, rather than having to click that blasted on-screen Piano keyboard.

That's been a feature for a few years.

[funkboy]

Thanks for the excellent and fast responses!

If XBench is still a valid benchmarking tool, it would be nice to see what your iMac gets: Xbench: Comprehensive Macintosh Benchmarking

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

The new interface is a big improvement. ... It feels very speedy on the most basic model, with Garageband, iPhoto, iDVD, and iTunes all open.

Very exciting

Originally Posted by vertigociel

The Apple website says it takes PC2-5300 SO-DIMM's. We just stuck with the basic 1GB, and it starts to page pretty quickly with just a couple minute long iMovie project. I don't have an internet connection for the iMac just yet (c'mon Comcast, you've had seven days!), so once I get that hooked up and start using my typical array of apps (Camino, iTunes, Mail, Adium, Photoshop/Flash CS3, Painter X, processing), I'll be able to report on paging and snappiness.

Good to know, will be interested once more Widgets fall into your dashboard.

Originally Posted by vertigociel

Coming from that, the new iMac will be a twofold improvement, if not more so.

I hope so - and glad you agree. I will probably wait to see some benchmarks, especially on the 2.8 high-end model, then take the plunge.

Originally Posted by vertigociel

Hope that answers your questions.

It sure did - enjoy that new iMac!

[CheesePuff]

vertigociel -- I see you said you're keeping with the 1 GB RAM. What some don't know with this iMac release is now they have put the 1 GB chip as a single chip, which still leave's a free slot. And on NewEgg they have a 1 GB chip for $39.99 + shipping, so it may be worth the small cost when you can.

[thepfef]

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

A close up of that marvelous new keyboard - if it's hard to make out, the apple logo is indeed missing from the command keys, replaced by "command."

What? No Apple key?! End of an era...

[Gankdawg]

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

Another nice feature is the RAM location - instead of cracking the machine open, there's a little door on the bottom between the speakers that pops open with a phillips screwdriver, and reveals the RAM slots.

You said slots.....plural......just want to verify that both slots are accessible?

[vertigociel]

Here's the Xbench result (this is on the stock 2.0 GHz 20 inch model w/1GB RAM) -

Results 132.66
-- System Info
---- Xbench Version 1.3
---- System Version 10.4.10 (8R4031)
---- Physical RAM 1024 MB
---- Model iMac7,1
---- Drive Type WDC WD2500AAJS-40RYA0
-- CPU Test 103.84
---- GCD Loop 235.70 12.42 Mops/sec
---- Floating Point Basic 113.21 2.69 Gflop/sec
---- vecLib FFT 83.94 2.77 Gflop/sec
---- Floating Point Library 73.90 12.87 Mops/sec
-- Thread Test 200.62
---- Computation 182.04 3.69 Mops/sec, 4 threads
---- Lock Contention 223.42 9.61 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
-- Memory Test 127.55
---- System 123.59
------ Allocate 104.46 383.61 Kalloc/sec
------ Fill 129.37 6290.47 MB/sec
------ Copy 143.44 2962.67 MB/sec
---- Stream 131.77
------ Copy 124.49 2571.32 MB/sec
------ Scale 129.43 2674.03 MB/sec
------ Add 137.15 2921.50 MB/sec
------ Triad 136.88 2928.26 MB/sec
-- Quartz Graphics Test 132.54
---- Line 126.07 8.39 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
---- Rectangle 151.26 45.16 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
---- Circle 144.56 11.78 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
---- Bezier 134.21 3.39 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
---- Text 113.47 7.10 Kchars/sec
-- OpenGL Graphics Test 121.15
---- Spinning Squares 121.15 153.68 frames/sec
-- User Interface Test 326.78
---- Elements 326.78 1.50 Krefresh/sec
-- Disk Test 87.32
---- Sequential 138.58
------ Uncached Write 161.56 99.20 MB/sec [4K blocks]
------ Uncached Write 139.84 79.12 MB/sec [256K blocks]
------ Uncached Read 106.57 31.19 MB/sec [4K blocks]
------ Uncached Read 162.89 81.87 MB/sec [256K blocks]
---- Random 63.74
------ Uncached Write 25.32 2.68 MB/sec [4K blocks]
------ Uncached Write 168.79 54.04 MB/sec [256K blocks]
------ Uncached Read 91.70 0.65 MB/sec [4K blocks]
------ Uncached Read 155.60 28.87 MB/sec [256K blocks]

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by Gankdawg 

You said slots.....plural......just want to verify that both slots are accessible?

Yes, my manual says both slots are accessible.

[angelmb]

Originally Posted by thepfef 

What? No Apple key?! End of an era...

Funny how the Apple key is still being shown on iMac product Info website…

Apple - PR - Products - iMac

[bearcatrp]

Just to compare from my 24 inch iMac (1st Gen) 2.16 Ghz. Though I would post for others to compare.
Randy

Results 113.15
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.4.9 (8P2137)
Physical RAM 2048 MB
Model iMac6,1
Drive Type ST3250824AS Q
CPU Test 110.59
GCD Loop 255.98 13.49 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 123.35 2.93 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 85.48 2.82 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 80.28 13.98 Mops/sec
Thread Test 216.83
Computation 198.14 4.01 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 239.40 10.30 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 126.16
System 130.48
Allocate 121.74 447.06 Kalloc/sec
Fill 130.46 6343.42 MB/sec
Copy 140.59 2903.92 MB/sec
Stream 122.12
Copy 116.81 2412.73 MB/sec
Scale 120.18 2482.94 MB/sec
Add 126.51 2694.95 MB/sec
Triad 125.48 2684.28 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 143.89
Line 129.20 8.60 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 167.75 50.08 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 160.47 13.08 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 147.27 3.71 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 124.58 7.79 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 160.88
Spinning Squares 160.88 204.08 frames/sec
Spinning Squares 160.88 204.08 frames/sec
User Interface Test 243.65
Elements 243.65 1.12 Krefresh/sec
Disk Test 43.45
Sequential 99.09
Uncached Write 113.32 69.57 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 105.88 59.91 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 72.88 21.33 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 119.39 60.00 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 27.83
Uncached Write 8.83 0.94 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 88.29 28.27 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 86.44 0.61 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 130.84 24.28 MB/sec [256K blocks]

You mentioned F3 is the Expose key. But what about the App-only and Desktop Expose keys - where are they?

I use the desktop and app-only keys more than the "all windows" key.

[kenna]

What does all those specifications mean above? Is the new iMac not a match for the old in anyway???

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by hayesk 

You mentioned F3 is the Expose key. But what about the App-only and Desktop Expose keys - where are they?

I use the desktop and app-only keys more than the "all windows" key.

There doesn't seem to be a way to change the functionality of the F3 Key (it's all-windows), but you can still use F10 and F11 for app-only and desktop. You have to hold Fn down, or change the keyboard preferences to have F1-F12 to control software features, though.

[Andhee]

I might make the leap and get an iMac sometime this august.

[imitchellg5]

Originally Posted by kenna 

What does all those specifications mean above? Is the new iMac not a match for the old in anyway???

No it is much faster.

[PaperNotes]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

No it is much faster.

Open GL and Quartz is slower

[d0GGii]

hi im thinking about buying the new imac as well. where would be the best place to shop for one? amazon? apple store online? apple local store? i live in dallas there's plenty of them. btw i plan to get the 24 inch base model

[Andhee]

Originally Posted by d0GGii 

hi im thinking about buying the new imac as well. where would be the best place to shop for one? amazon? apple store online? apple local store? i live in dallas there's plenty of them. btw i plan to get the 24 inch base model

Local Apple store, because you can walk in with your credit card and 10 mins later you can walk out with an iMac (and a credit card which has been maxed out).

[Eriamjh]

Originally Posted by kenna 

What does all those specifications mean above? Is the new iMac not a match for the old in anyway???

Yup. Apple released a new iMac slower than the previous model...

[d0GGii]

Originally Posted by Andhee 

Local Apple store, because you can walk in with your credit card and 10 mins later you can walk out with an iMac (and a credit card which has been maxed out).

Is the monthly payment option available if buying at apple store? And college student discounts with ipod nano specials? Sorry for the many questions I have.

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by d0GGii 

Is the monthly payment option available if buying at apple store? And college student discounts with ipod nano specials? Sorry for the many questions I have.

I don't know about the monthly payment - I'd imagine so, but I'm not sure. The student discounts and specials are available - just show em a student ID, give them a .edu email address, or (like I did) just log on to your school's online course registration in front of a cashier, and they'll give you the Education discount and free-after-rebate Nano.

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by kenna 

What does all those specifications mean above? Is the new iMac not a match for the old in anyway???

Overall, the new iMac is indeed faster. Keep in mind that the older iMac was a top-of-the-line 24 Inch Model, and the new iMac is the cheapest, lowest-spec, stock configuration. That should put things in perspective.

[d0GGii]

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

I don't know about the monthly payment - I'd imagine so, but I'm not sure. The student discounts and specials are available - just show em a student ID, give them a .edu email address, or (like I did) just log on to your school's online course registration in front of a cashier, and they'll give you the Education discount and free-after-rebate Nano.

great help buddy thanks.

[Tigerlittle]

I am a photographer and thinking about buying an iMac.

Some users on other forum dislike the glossy monitor due to strong reflection of windows and indoor lights.

Do you have any issues with the reflection on your monitor?

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by Tigerlittle 

I am a photographer and thinking about buying an iMac.

Some users on other forum dislike the glossy monitor due to strong reflection of windows and indoor lights.

Do you have any issues with the reflection on your monitor?

You know, I thought I would, since I'm a big fan of matte displays. However, since the screen is so bright, it's hard to notice reflections unless the setting sun is coming in through the windows. As long as you have blinds on windows and no fluorescent spotlights (like they do at the Apple Store), reflections aren't a big deal.

One downside to the glossy displays, however, is the over-saturation of colors. The colors you see on the display are typically brighter than if you printed the image out - more of an issue for web or graphic designers, who have to ensure that colors look good on a wide variety of monitors, but something you should consider nonetheless. I'd recommend checking them out at the store yourself - it's largely a manner of personal taste.

[Rocketdun]

The photos of the unboxing were great. Congratulations, I am glad you got one, now I am salivating, no slobbering over the new features, and am insanely jealous. I love the keyboard or think it might be a nice touch. I think Macs weak point is the mouse "mighty or not". I use the mouse with a Wacom pad it's much more workable as far as I am concerned. Waiting on Comcast is about as much fun as getting a root canal, or french kissing a tarantula. Good luck with the installation some of their people are very professional, some have as much business working on technology as I do running a 747.
Congratulations on your purchase and hope you enjoy it I am sure you will.

[dru]

Originally Posted by bearcatrp 

Just to compare from my 24 inch iMac (1st Gen). Though I would post for others to compare.

Is that the standard 24" with the 128MB NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or did you get the 256MB 7600 GT option? Is it 2.16 or 2.33 GHz?

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by imitchellg5 

No it is much faster.

Actually, according to Xbench, the new one is slower in pretty much every category except disk access, where for some reason it's so much faster it's ridiculous. Of course, this is a bottom-of-the-line model whereas the old iMac is the previous top of the line.

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

Actually, according to Xbench, the new one is slower in pretty much every category except disk access, where for some reason it's so much faster it's ridiculous. Of course, this is a bottom-of-the-line model whereas the old iMac is the previous top of the line.

I think that's cause this has a 7200 RPM HD, while his seems to have a 5400.

After using this for a day with my usual array of apps (Camino, iTunes, Adium, Clutter, Photoshop CS3, Painter X, Flash CS3, Processing, BOINC), I'm really impressed. Very snappy, even when paging out in PS, thanks to the 7200 RPM drive. Dashboard always comes up quickly. I've had this thing running full load crunching some SETI@Home data (which it does in a smoking 50 minutes if using both cores - it took about 8 hours on my G5), and it's still almost completely silent. Amazing.

[rollershapple]

love that keyboard!

[bearcatrp]

Originally Posted by dru 

Is that the standard 24" with the 128MB NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT or did you get the 256MB 7600 GT option? Is it 2.16 or 2.33 GHz?

It has the upgraded 7600GT and 2.16 GHz.
Randy

[gostan]

I receive my 2 x 2 GB 667 Mhz DDR2 SDram uprade modules for my new 24" 2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo IMac today. Here are the XBench results:

Results 148.07
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.4.10 (8R4031)
Physical RAM 4096 MB
Model iMac7,1
Drive Type WDC WD3200AAJS-40RYA0
CPU Test 123.18
GCD Loop 282.43 14.89 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 135.91 3.23 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 97.18 3.21 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 88.63 15.43 Mops/sec
Thread Test 240.51
Computation 218.78 4.43 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 267.02 11.49 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 149.02
System 137.56
Allocate 129.42 475.28 Kalloc/sec
Fill 137.45 6683.32 MB/sec
Copy 146.91 3034.32 MB/sec
Stream 162.56
Copy 150.39 3106.17 MB/sec
Scale 155.18 3206.04 MB/sec
Add 173.57 3697.39 MB/sec
Triad 173.88 3719.80 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 161.54
Line 151.19 10.07 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 184.99 55.23 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 175.91 14.34 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 162.88 4.11 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 140.68 8.80 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 147.98
Spinning Squares 147.98 187.72 frames/sec
User Interface Test 374.87
Elements 374.87 1.72 Krefresh/sec
Disk Test 78.90
Sequential 109.25
Uncached Write 128.93 79.16 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 115.85 65.55 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 76.58 22.41 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 139.53 70.13 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 61.75
Uncached Write 25.43 2.69 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 127.73 40.89 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 93.20 0.66 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 145.02 26.91 MB/sec [256K blocks]

[opus_az]

Hi...

Does the image of the iMac on the box include the cloud icon in the menu bar (the HimmelBar utility)?

It looks like it does. My white Intel iMac box had it. I always wondered why they'd show a third party app.

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by opus_az 

Hi...

Does the image of the iMac on the box include the cloud icon in the menu bar (the HimmelBar utility)?

It looks like it does. My white Intel iMac box had it. I always wondered why they'd show a third party app.

No, but it does show the iChat status icon (a dialogue bubble), which you're probably mistaking it for.

[opus_az]

Originally Posted by vertigociel 

No, but it does show the iChat status icon (a dialogue bubble), which you're probably mistaking it for.

Ooooooh...OK. Funny I had that wrong for so long. Thanks for clearing that up. Had to go look at my box to make sure you're right. Odd that I had it so wrong for so long.

Oh well, thanks!

[leozunino]

Hey, somebody could tell me the box dimensions of the new iMac 20"??
Thanks

[leozunino]

and the weight of the box too......
Thanks

[Drew]

Could you tell me your thoughts on the new keyboard? I'm thinking of ordering one from the apple store to use with my old imac. Is it nice? Comfortable? Usable? Tell me your thoughts, or review or whatever.

[vertigociel]

Originally Posted by Drew 

Could you tell me your thoughts on the new keyboard? I'm thinking of ordering one from the apple store to use with my old imac. Is it nice? Comfortable? Usable? Tell me your thoughts, or review or whatever.

Actually, the keyboard is possibly my favorite aspect of the new iMac. The keys are both sensitive and responsive, with a firm tactile click, unlike the comparatively mushy feedback of my MBP keyboard. The flat keys and wide spaces between them weren't a problem after I had gotten used to them - which took about ten minute. There's no crevices for crap to pile up in, like in the old keyboard, and you don't have to punch the keys down - just tap them. Plus, it's quite ridiculously thin.

I highly recommend it.

[mavherzog]

Originally Posted by d0GGii 

Is the monthly payment option available if buying at apple store? And college student discounts with ipod nano specials? Sorry for the many questions I have.

Yikes. Don't buy a computer on credit. Save up and wait till you can afford it.