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vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by moep:
Damn, they even copied the Konspose from Konfabulator.
I feel sorry for the developer of that lil app...

yeah. The dev of konfab was a bit pi$$ed off earlier about this if it was true.

Mind you, seeing the Apple ones, konfab guys have nothing to worry about. Still, this is all really early stuff they're demoing.

Got to say though, the whole Longhorn attack isn't really working here. Not seen much in Tiger to make it seem like it's offering much over LH. The new search functions, the dashboard, all in Longhorn, but better.

Oh well, time I guess.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by starman:
Who's joking?

I noticed, how sad of Apple.

xi_hyperon · Jun 28, 2004, 02:35 PM

Thank you, kind sirs.

djohnson · Jun 28, 2004, 02:43 PM

Hmm, over all 10.4 looks pretty good. I can't wait until 2005 for the release! Oh and I am guessing all systems will soon be migrating to a 64-bit processor. 64 bit OS X

notaclone · Jun 28, 2004, 02:44 PM

Ahh, pictures!

http://www.ini.hshaarlem.nl/mirror/Tiger/

d0ubled0wn · Jun 28, 2004, 02:47 PM

Check 'em out: http://www.apple.com/displays/

moep · Jun 28, 2004, 02:47 PM

Well, I'm a not impressed... but not dissapointed either.
All screenshots were real, "Pipeline" seems to be a VERY powerful tool. Dashboard... hard to tell. I started using Konfabulator 4 days ago and I'm going to pay for it now, guess he needs our support. The Releasedate of Tiger seems obvious (MWSF2005), however, I hope that apple manages to push 10.5 out before/shortly after Longhorn is beeing released.

voyageur · Jun 28, 2004, 02:48 PM

Apple Store is back up with the new monitors. Lovely pic of the Alps.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by djohnson:
Hmm, over all 10.4 looks pretty good. I can't wait until 2005 for the release! Oh and I am guessing all systems will soon be migrating to a 64-bit processor. 64 bit OS X

I'm pretty underwhelmed by Tiger so far. Not much has really been said though. Stil waiting to hear about those Longhorn beating features.

OptimusG4 · Jun 28, 2004, 02:48 PM

Originally posted by vertex:
yeah. The dev of konfab was a bit pi$$ed off earlier about this if it was true.

Mind you, seeing the Apple ones, konfab guys have nothing to worry about. Still, this is all really early stuff they're demoing.

Got to say though, the whole Longhorn attack isn't really working here. Not seen much in Tiger to make it seem like it's offering much over LH. The new search functions, the dashboard, all in Longhorn, but better.

Oh well, time I guess.

Well I think the whole point of that was to show 'hey, we'll have the same features but quicker than you' type of taunting.

ort888 · Jun 28, 2004, 02:50 PM

So the Apple store is back up with no iMacs... I guess they aren't coming.

OptimusG4 · Jun 28, 2004, 02:50 PM

So now the menu bar is a glass-like effect??

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 02:50 PM

Tiger pics up at Apple's site. God, I hate to mention Longhorn again, but they've just ripped-off LH's Window functions in the Finder.

Zimphire · Jun 28, 2004, 02:51 PM

Originally posted by vertex:
Stil waiting to hear about those Longhorn beating features.

Those are in 10.3.

d0ubled0wn · Jun 28, 2004, 02:53 PM

From tech specs of new displays:

Response time (typical) : 16 ms

xi_hyperon · Jun 28, 2004, 02:53 PM

While I would agree that the widgets in Dashboard are ugly, I'm sure that what comes with the final version of Tiger will be more polished. At least I hope so.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by Zimphire:
Those are in 10.3.

Really? Metadata driven filesystem? Comprehensive search functions throughout the OS? In fact, those are in XP just now. Sidebar? I think I'l reserve judgement on Apple's dashboard for another day.

voyageur · Jun 28, 2004, 02:56 PM

The iSight will come with a new "magnetic" attachment for new monitors.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 02:56 PM

This is nice, Tiger's metadata search engine.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/searchtechnology.html

starman · Jun 28, 2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by vertex:
Really? Metadata driven filesystem? Comprehensive search functions throughout the OS? In fact, those are in XP just now. Sidebar? I think I'l reserve judgement on Apple's dashboard for another day.

You mean Longhorn.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by starman:
You mean Longhorn.

No, the comprehensive search functions are in XP. Metadata driven FS is in Longhorn.

Landos Mustache · Jun 28, 2004, 03:00 PM

Dashboard looks gay.

Turias · Jun 28, 2004, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by Landos Mustache:
Dashboard looks gay.

You're one of the few people that can say that and make me laugh instead of glare.

itai195 · Jun 28, 2004, 03:01 PM

I'm not sure that the new search feature is as sophisticated as what's going to be in Longhorn, but for the end user it will probably be just as good. I'm rather underwhelmed by Tiger -- it really seems like Apple is trying too hard to cram new features into every OS release; they're trampling over third party developers left and right.

awcopus · Jun 28, 2004, 03:03 PM

Apple was on an incredible roll in terms of "really exciting" product releases and updates. It had to slow down some time.

I think many of us are wondering when Apple is going to release another lifestyle device or some kind of paradigm-shifting tool/toy. I honestly can't think of another company that has these kinds of expectations to live up to on a regular basis. All in all, Apple does pretty well by us, though I find it annoying to see its prices trending higher.

Webscreamer · Jun 28, 2004, 03:04 PM

Seems like they are bring back the "color" to OS X after Apple went for a more bland look in Panther

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:05 PM

Originally posted by itai195:
I'm not sure that the new search feature is as sophisticated as what's going to be in Longhorn, but for the end user it will probably be just as good. I'm rather underwhelmed by Tiger -- it really seems like Apple is trying too hard to cram new features into every OS release; they're trampling over third party developers left and right.

Yup. It's mostly all glitz, but the core issues seem to remain. Networking, dynamically updating Finder windows, etc.

I don;t mind the new features, but I need things like Firewire to work flawlessly, networking too. Get that right, then throw in the dashboard bubbles.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:08 PM

Hardware accelerated video and images in Tiger. Old news in Windows/Linux land.

Mark Tungston · Jun 28, 2004, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by d0ubled0wn:
Check 'em out: http://www.apple.com/displays/

Being in a creative field � I appreciate:

� Low bevel of screen and frame.
� Easy tilt
� Standards mountable
� Non distracting color of frame

You can only improve a monitir by so much and they did.

Apple Monitors: A+

the price is ok. i suppose it is not the cheapest but not outrageous either.

d0ubled0wn · Jun 28, 2004, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by vertex:
Yup. It's mostly all glitz, but the core issues seem to remain. Networking, dynamically updating Finder windows, etc.

I don;t mind the new features, but I need things like Firewire to work flawlessly, networking too. Get that right, then throw in the dashboard bubbles.

Bug fixes probably wasn't on their list of things to showcase today.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:09 PM

Well, I'm gonna install my Tiger disc on Wednesday anyway, see how it looks.

turtle777 · Jun 28, 2004, 03:09 PM

Originally posted by vertex:
I'm pretty underwhelmed by Tiger so far. Not much has really been said though. Stil waiting to hear about those Longhorn beating features.

No wonder.
Redmond stole all the features.
It's time for Apple to steal them back

-t

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Mark Tungston:
Being in a creative field � I appreciate:

� Low bevel of screen and frame.
� Easy tilt
� Standards mountable
� Non distracting color of frame

You can only improve a monitir by so much and they did.

Apple Monitors: A+

the price is ok. i suppose it is not the cheapest but not outrageous either.

What's the deal on the graphics card issue? Will it be a single one to drive the display and all graphics functions? Or maybe a second card purely for displaying?

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:13 PM

Originally posted by turtle777:
No wonder.
Redmond stole all the features.
It's time for Apple to steal them back

-t

lol, The Steve and Billy Boy Gates should have a fight to settle this one and for all.

Krypton · Jun 28, 2004, 03:15 PM

After look at the displays page, it has become apparent why they needed to produce a 30" screen:

To make the G5 look small

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:15 PM

One thing I do like, are the elongated titlebars, very nice. Kinda makes it look that bit different. I'm actually glad they're sticking with the Panther look mostly. It's a good of confidence in one's interface when you don;t keep chaging it.

davidflas · Jun 28, 2004, 03:15 PM

According to Apple's site, the new graphics card can drive 2 30" displays at a time!

http://www.apple.com/displays/

Look over in the box showing the graphics card :

moep · Jun 28, 2004, 03:19 PM

Come to think about it, that Spotlight looks a bit like a Launchbar Rip-Off. Or is it just me?
Hmm, Konfabulator, Launchbar... well, I'm happy to get them "free" with the OS, though the developers may not be so happy about it.

btw, looks like they finally got rid of the "pinstripes". yay!

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:19 PM

So glad they've gone for nVidia for the displays.

Turias · Jun 28, 2004, 03:20 PM

Originally posted by vertex:
So glad they've gone for nVidia for the displays.

Why's that?

Lateralus · Jun 28, 2004, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by Turias:
Why's that?

Indeed.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:27 PM

Originally posted by Turias:
Why's that?

Well, being completely selfish here, nVidia and ATi are really the only GFX boards that Apple use. ATi are sh!t, complete crap for 3D work. In the low-end you could get away with an ATi, but they really shine in 2D software, and games. nVidia are a much stronger, more reliable, and solid product for 3D. It's a no-contest these days. ATi have let down so many on the driver front for 3D in the last few years and to the point they are virtually laughed at by 3D animators.

Even though the boards/drivers offered by Apple still fall short of what is needed in 3D, it's stil a good steo forward to be able to use a nice Apple display with the knowledge that you can get decent performance out of any 3D tasks.

But that's just my own view and I'm sure most people buying such a display won't be needing to run 3D applications.

fireside · Jun 28, 2004, 03:28 PM

what the hell did they do to the titlebar endcaps? it looks like fugly XP now with the blue endcaps and everything else is white or whatever.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by PowerMacMan:
Indeed.

Answered.

Landos Mustache · Jun 28, 2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
what the hell did they do to the titlebar endcaps? it looks like fugly XP now with the blue endcaps and everything else is white or whatever.

I ****ing love that glossy white ****!

starman · Jun 28, 2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by vertex:
Well, being completely selfish here, nVidia and ATi are really the only GFX boards that Apple use. ATi are sh!t, complete crap for 3D work. In the low-end you could get away with an ATi, but they really shine in 2D software, and games. nVidia are a much stronger, more reliable, and solid product for 3D. It's a no-contest these days. ATi have let down so many on the driver front for 3D in the last few years and to the point they are virtually laughed at by 3D animators.

Even though the boards/drivers offered by Apple still fall short of what is needed in 3D, it's stil a good steo forward to be able to use a nice Apple display with the knowledge that you can get decent performance out of any 3D tasks.

But that's just my own view and I'm sure most people buying such a display won't be needing to run 3D applications.

wait for it....

wait for it...

BUAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:31 PM

Originally posted by fireside:
what the hell did they do to the titlebar endcaps? it looks like fugly XP now with the blue endcaps and everything else is white or whatever.

Looks like a theme knocked up in the GUI forum. Quite like the Grey highlight on the endcaps. Lots of elements seem to have a glass look.

MindFad · Jun 28, 2004, 03:32 PM

The 9800 XT is a more powerful card than the GFFX 6800. Is the extra DVI port really worth that extra money?

I'm still soaking all the Tiger stuff in, but so far I'm kind of in the middle. I think I'll have to play with it first. At least all the metadata whiners are creaming their pants in joy.

vertex · Jun 28, 2004, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by starman:
wait for it....

Pity you have nothing to back up the suden loss of keyboard control. Oh wait, you use Maya, with an ATi card, but only push a few thousand polys around? Am I close?

xi_hyperon · Jun 28, 2004, 03:33 PM

That red calendar does hurt my eyes.