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kman42 · Jun 28, 2004, 07:22 PM

All of those lucky WWDC attendees should be arriving home soon and installing their Tiger previews while the rest of us are anxiously awaiting them to break their NDAs so I though we should have a single unified thread for reports of people who have actually used the beast.

Just a preemptive effort to prevent a repeat of the five threads already in existence to discuss the pre-keynote debate, the keynote itself, and the Tiger web pages on Apple's site.

So let's hear it! How do the new features really work? What are the other 140 new features? Is it snappy?

kman

kman42 · 08:23 PM

When does one see this interface:

vs. this interface:

http://images.apple.com/macosx/tiger...p_20040628.jpg
[INLINE IMAGES MUST BE NO WIDER THAN 480 PIXELS!!! -- tooki]

jszrules · 08:25 PM

Originally posted by kman42:
DO NOT QUOTE LARGE IMAGES, AND DO NOT QUOTE THE IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING MESSAGE! --tooki

I'm guessing the first interface happens when you select 'Show all' from the second interface.

kman42 · Jun 28, 2004, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by jszrules:
I'm guessing the first interface happens when you select 'Show all' from the second interface.

You are a wise soul.

SafariX · Jun 28, 2004, 08:19 PM

I'm hoping to have a report by late this evening. I won't be installing on the G5, but I will put it on my PBg4.

kman42 · Jun 28, 2004, 09:07 PM

One of my big questions is what happened to Fast User Switching? Did it move over to the Apple menu?

kman

iDriveX · Jun 28, 2004, 09:24 PM

I want to know what exactly the "NEW" .mac syncs. I think it might be a little misleading. I don't think it syncs any files like I first thought. In the screenshot on Apple's website it said "Desktop Pictures and Screensavers" and then I thought, "Sweet, when I add a new Desktop Pic to one computer, it'll automatically sync the file to the Desktop Pictures folder of the second computer", but then I noticed in faint writing to the right of it "Settings", so all I think it does is sync preferences.

kcmac · Jun 28, 2004, 09:27 PM

Probably the biggest thing it appears it will do in Tiger vs. now is give the devs a way of tying their apps into iSync. Right now, they can't.

thePurpleGiant · Jun 28, 2004, 09:44 PM

For anyone who installs it: Can you record a movie of what happens when you flip a widget over to change settings 'on the back'?

lookmark · Jun 28, 2004, 10:57 PM

Macrumors has a video on their home page.

You can also see the flip animation when Jobs demos Dashboard on the WWDC stream (about 1:20). Cute.

(Boy, the developers sure didn't seem all too happy, or comfortable, when they saw Dashboard... and with good reason. It was like Jobs cheerfully announcing that they knocked someone from the audience over the head, went through their pockets, and dumped the body off outside the convention center.)

zachs · Jun 28, 2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by lookmark:
Macrumors has a video on their home page.

You can also see the flip animation when Jobs demos Dashboard on the WWDC stream (about 1:20). Cute.

(Boy, the developers sure didn't seem all too happy, or comfortable, when they saw Dashboard... and with good reason. It was like Jobs cheerfully announcing that they knocked someone from the audience over the head, went through their pockets, and dumped the body off outside the convention center.)

You can also see it here. They also have video of other things as well.

Synotic · Jun 28, 2004, 11:17 PM

Originally posted by lookmark:
Macrumors has a video on their home page.

The "ripple" effect looks quite ridiculous and doesn't seem to make much sense. I was expecting a much smaller ripple, I kind of "ripple in" effect. The widget flip over feature on the other hand looks very slick

Looks like they beat Sun (?) to the punch.

djjava · Jun 28, 2004, 11:19 PM

how is tiger running on a revA 17" powerbook

SafariX · Jun 29, 2004, 12:46 AM

Has anyone installed the DP yet?

cacarr1 · Jun 29, 2004, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by lookmark:
Macrumors has a video on their home page.

You can also see the flip animation when Jobs demos Dashboard on the WWDC stream (about 1:20). Cute.

(Boy, the developers sure didn't seem all too happy, or comfortable, when they saw Dashboard... and with good reason. It was like Jobs cheerfully announcing that they knocked someone from the audience over the head, went through their pockets, and dumped the body off outside the convention center.)

Yeah, I got the same impression. Not the proudest moment for Apple (just like Watson last year).

getoffmacnn · Jun 29, 2004, 02:21 AM

To those who are scared of breaking NDEs, just say "I saw it running on a developer's Mac and played around with it".

macaddict0001 · Jun 29, 2004, 04:56 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
One of my big questions is what happened to Fast User Switching? Did it move over to the Apple menu?

kman

i've been wondering that too

mrgaskell · Jun 29, 2004, 05:19 AM

I didn't see Dashboard as a straight rip-off. It was an idea that has been around a while that Apple took and made much better. I don't like Konfabulator b/c it takes up too much space and can be very intrusive on a small screen, like my 12" PB. The expose-like feature allows that crap to get out of my way when I don't need to be looking at it. Hopefully the widgets don't take up background CPU cycles like the Konfabulator widgets do (or at least did).

jg

nbnz · Jun 29, 2004, 07:23 AM

Originally posted by kman42:
One of my big questions is what happened to Fast User Switching? Did it move over to the Apple menu?

kman

probably just turned off fast user switching in Accounts preferences?

moonmonkey · Jun 29, 2004, 07:40 AM

I want to know the minimum required spec for install?

Are G3's Dead?

Zadian · Jun 29, 2004, 08:20 AM

One thing I would like to know about Safari RSS is, if it has a back and forward contextual menu item.

Hanul · Jun 29, 2004, 08:58 AM

According to these screenshots, which show a 900MHz G3 in the "About this Mac" window, Tiger should run fine on G3-equipped systems.

lookmark · Jun 29, 2004, 09:05 AM

I'm curious:

- if there's a built-in hot key for hitting the Spotlight search field in the menu bar.
- about early signs of iPhoto tapping into CoreImage.
- any adjustments to corner sensitivity in Expos�.
- about any improvements to FontBook.

tgrundke · Jun 29, 2004, 09:58 AM

the important question is: is it snappier(tm)?

;-)

lookmark · Jun 29, 2004, 11:09 AM

Also, any reports from someone at WWDC? Surely there's a demo machine set up with the developer preview release of Tiger there.

qnxde · Jun 29, 2004, 11:12 AM

I'm downloading it now and will report back when it's finished (in approx 3 hours) and installed.

powerbook867 · Jun 29, 2004, 11:20 AM

I'd love to hear how it runs on a g5 performance wise......

gorickey · Jun 29, 2004, 11:56 AM

How about any new dock enhancements/features?

Grrr · Jun 29, 2004, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by tgrundke:
the important question is: is it snappier(tm)?

;-)

Hilarious..
shut up.

Synotic · Jun 29, 2004, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by Grrr:
Hilarious..
shut up.

Well actually, unlike the difference between say 10.3.3 and 10.3.4, I would personally like to know if the shift from 10.3 to 10.4 is indeed any.. faster..

Krypton · Jun 29, 2004, 02:17 PM

Originally posted by Synotic:
Well actually, unlike the difference between say 10.3.3 and 10.3.4, I would personally like to know if the shift from 10.3 to 10.4 is indeed any.. faster..

I imagine it's marginally faster, but the major speedup in 10.3 was mainly in response to all of the flak they got.

clarkgoble · Jun 29, 2004, 04:28 PM

The changes to XCode/gcc especially with respect to the G5 should make everything somewhat snappier.

OwlBoy · Jun 29, 2004, 04:39 PM

Cool, Full Screen without the need ore Quicktime Pro

-Owl

LaGow · Jun 29, 2004, 04:41 PM

Any word on whether Spotlight necessitated changes to the file system? Love to know whether HFS+ has been extended or killed or left alone...

hcorf · Jun 29, 2004, 05:07 PM

was just wondering if anyone has found a copy of the sdk on the p2p networks?

a link would be much appreciated when someone does.

if you dont want to post i am at: [email protected]

lookmark · Jun 29, 2004, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by LaGow:
Any word on whether Spotlight necessitated changes to the file system? Love to know whether HFS+ has been extended or killed or left alone...

Extended, don't you think?

http://developer.apple.com/technotes...1150.html#HFSX

Horsepoo!!! · Jun 29, 2004, 06:36 PM

Originally posted by OwlBoy:
Cool, Full Screen without the need ore Quicktime Pro

-Owl

This was probably done because it's now so stupidly easy for 3rd-party developers to make a movie player app in 10.4, that the Mac market would be flooded with freeware movie player apps that do fullscreen.

natan · Jun 29, 2004, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by LaGow:
Any word on whether Spotlight necessitated changes to the file system? Love to know whether HFS+ has been extended or killed or left alone...

It doesn't change the FS itself, it's still HFS+. The metainfo is stored in a database of some sort. You can upgrade a Panther volume.

LaGow · Jun 29, 2004, 06:59 PM

Originally posted by lookmark:
Extended, don't you think?

http://developer.apple.com/technotes...1150.html#HFSX

Hmmm. Hadn't seen that. I was actually wondering what became of the genius from Be they hired. I was expecting a rewrite of the file system under that guy's direction, but Apple may have decided a lower-key metadata upgrade (i.e. Spotlight) was all that was necessary. I have to say, Spotlight looks very good. Didn't Steve say we wouldn't need the Finder anymore?

Developer · Jun 29, 2004, 07:01 PM

Originally posted by kman42:
When does one see this interface:

Which process owns this window?

Horsepoo!!! · Jun 29, 2004, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by Developer:
Which process owns this window?

I think you're asking questions that are dangerously close to making people break their NDAs. I like it.

moonmonkey · Jun 29, 2004, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by Hanul:
According to these screenshots, which show a 900MHz G3 in the "About this Mac" window, Tiger should run fine on G3-equipped systems.

What about flipping stickies over and ripples?
Do you need a modern graphics card for that?

ie. Will it work with a Q-Extreme only card, but use the CPU instead of the GPU.

Tsilou B. · Jun 29, 2004, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by OwlBoy:
Cool, Full Screen without the need ore Quicktime Pro

-Owl

If you want to have that in Panther, just use the new RealPlayer 10 for Mac. It can display ALL Quicktime movies (it uses Quicktime to decode them) and it can present them full-screen.

Another way is to use AppleScript. Open the movie you want to see with Quicktime Player, start playback and run the following script:

tell application "Quicktime Player" to present movie 1

This will work without Quicktime Pro. However, RealPlayer is much easier to use.

Person Man · Jun 29, 2004, 09:09 PM

Originally posted by hcorf:
was just wondering if anyone has found a copy of the sdk on the p2p networks?

a link would be much appreciated when someone does.

if you dont want to post i am at: [email protected]

Um, a link would also be against the rules of this board, not to mention that asking is also against the rules.

We're not a pirate site.

lookmark · Jun 29, 2004, 09:19 PM

Originally posted by qnxde:
I'm downloading it now and will report back when it's finished (in approx 3 hours) and installed.

So, anything to report?

Minch_Yoda · Jun 29, 2004, 09:50 PM

i downloaded tiger from BT but it is a 1.6gb dmg but ive only got a dvd rom and a cd burner so could i boot from one partition and install on the other or something or do i need to find a friend with a dvd burner?

macaddict0001 · Jun 29, 2004, 10:08 PM

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
I want to know the minimum required spec for install?

Are G3's Dead?

of course not.

Person Man · Jun 29, 2004, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Minch_Yoda:
i downloaded tiger from BT but it is a 1.6gb dmg but ive only got a dvd rom and a cd burner so could i boot from one partition and install on the other or something or do i need to find a friend with a dvd burner?

Not to mention that the forum rules also do not allow help in using pirated software either.

This is not a pirate site.