[davesimondotcom]

Originally posted by nonhuman:
Hmm, we have several days worth of soda, plenty of food, and light- and fire-making implements. Even without any disaster preparation, I think we're ok.

AL-CO-HOL (n.) An essential for survival when in a closed space for extended time with the same damn people.

[Adam Betts]

Originally posted by MindFad:
http://homepage.mac.com/mindfad/.Pictures/nukewarningkids.jpg

Heh, funny

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by davesimondotcom:
AL-CO-HOL (n.) An essential for survival when in a closed space for extended time with the same damn people.

Oh don't worry, I have plenty of that.

[itai195]

Originally posted by BrunoBruin:
In Israel, "the threat is always there in the air," said Evans, who recently visited there. But, he said, "the majority of the population just have adjusted to it. They don't overly worry about it. I think we're going to have to reach the same type of level, because I believe that terrorism is going to be with us for a long time."

That's true, but the Israelis are still a lot more prepared for chemical/biological attacks than Americans are. They have sealed safe rooms in their homes and the government hands out gas masks. At some point, Americans may realize that these steps are necessary preparation as well.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by itai195:
That's true, but the Israelis are still a lot more prepared for chemical/biological attacks than Americans...At some point, Americans may realize that these steps are necessary preparation as well.

Or we can support our President and the pre-emptive destruction of such fanatical skum.

People, APPEASEMENT WILL NOT WORK. No anger management class or psychotherapy is ever going to change these people's minds. They despise everything about us - our freedom, our tolerance, women's equality, our non-Islamic religions, and they have dedicated their lives to seeking the death of our civilians, as innocent as they may be.

"Why are they mad at us...maybe we can ask them, and talk to them about their troubles" . Bullcrap.

The only way to preserve our peace and freedom is to rid the earth of those who have the means and desire to destroy it.

[Severed Hand of Skywalker]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
The only way to preserve our peace and freedom is to rid the earth of those who have the means and desire to destroy it.

Hitler... is that you?

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker:
Hitler... is that you?

No, it's not. If you look at the whole post, you can see my board name (spacefreak). Read the FAQs, they'll tell you more about it.

[Face Ache]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Or we can support our President and the pre-emptive destruction of such fanatical skum.

People, APPEASEMENT WILL NOT WORK. No anger management class or psychotherapy is ever going to change these people's minds. They despise everything about us - our freedom, our tolerance, women's equality, our non-Islamic religions, and they have dedicated their lives to seeking the death of our civilians, as innocent as they may be.

"Why are they mad at us...maybe we can ask them, and talk to them about their troubles" . Bullcrap.

The only way to preserve our peace and freedom is to rid the earth of those who have the means and desire to destroy it.

You forgot to pack a penis and some balls.

Define "they".

[Psychonaut]

[chip-douglas]

Who came up with the color scheme for the different threat levels?
Green -> Blue -> Yellow -> Orange -> Red
That goes against all conventions except stoplights. Weather maps, topography, the color wheel, etc. all go

Blue -> Green -> Yellow -> Orange -> Red

Not that they will ever lower it below yellow, but I can't take a system seriously that a preschooler with fingerpaints could have done a better job on.

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by Face Ache:
You forgot to pack a penis and some balls. Define "they".

I am well-hung, but thanks for your concerns. There are other sites for that type of thing, if that's what your after.

I defined "they" in the post above.

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
Or we can support our President and the pre-emptive destruction of such fanatical skum.

People, APPEASEMENT WILL NOT WORK. No anger management class or psychotherapy is ever going to change these people's minds. They despise everything about us - our freedom, our tolerance, women's equality, our non-Islamic religions, and they have dedicated their lives to seeking the death of our civilians, as innocent as they may be.

"Why are they mad at us...maybe we can ask them, and talk to them about their troubles" . Bullcrap.

The only way to preserve our peace and freedom is to rid the earth of those who have the means and desire to destroy it.

YOU CAN'T JUST ATTACK AND DESTROY A DECENTRALIZED GROUP OF FANATICS WHOSE RALLYING POINT IS HATRED OF YOU. Attempting to do so just makes them seem more justified, and since they don't have any sort of central command post it's impossible to take them all out at once. Massacring small fragments of the group will just encourage other people to see it their way since you'll be doing exactly what they say you do and you'll just end up making the problem worse.

I don't pretend to know what would be a good solution to the problem, but I really don't think yours will work.

[Face Ache]

The War on Terrorism is like the War on Drugs. You cannot win.

[shanraghan]

Okay... every so often, terrorists hit a big target. It happens every few years. And now we're acting like they're going to carpet-bomb the whole freakin' United States. I can't tell whether or not this is really Osama's best time to strike us, or if Bush is taking advantage of this to justify the war. I sincerely think that these do-it-yourself precautions will have little to no effect. The probability any single residential area would be hit is incredibly small, and locking yourself into your home isn't necessarily going to help you.

[sweet1]

Use the duct tape over the mouths of fear-mongerers (is this a real word?). If you were enlightened enough to see Michael Moore's film, Bowling for Columbine, FEAR was exactly the point. Go out and rent the movie, at least, before you've sealed yourself in plastic.

[Zimphire]

Fear-Mongers, I like that.

[dillerX]

Is there anything it can't do?

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by nonhuman:
YOU CAN'T JUST ATTACK AND DESTROY A DECENTRALIZED GROUP OF FANATICS WHOSE RALLYING POINT IS HATRED OF YOU. Attempting to do so just makes them seem more justified, and since they don't have any sort of central command post it's impossible to take them all out at once. Massacring small fragments of the group will just encourage other people to see it their way since you'll be doing exactly what they say you do and you'll just end up making the problem worse.

I don't pretend to know what would be a good solution to the problem, but I really don't think yours will work.

See: 9/11/2001 U.S. Cities attacked, Thousands killed

Historically, in war, the goal is to defeat the enemy.

Appeasement has never worked in the world. NEVER. Your argument sickens me, and I hope you are not a voting US citizen.

You are fundamentally saying "I think Iraq has the right to provide a safe-haven for criminal organizers, and I will respect their sovereignty, and I support their decision not to turn over those responsible for the planning of terror attacks against the US." or "I support Saddam Hussein's providing of the housing, financial infrastructure, and communications ability to those seeking to destroy our freedom."

"I want my son to grow up in a society under constant threat, and will encourage that threat by treating it delicately."

So take your anti-war stance and go become a human shield, because you obviously have no concern over the well-being of our citizens. Appeasement, acceptance, and anger-management classes will not solve our security problems.

Maybe you should ask yourself, "Why do I feel that the US should allow enemies to plot the death of my neighbors, and to finance and build development of smaller, stronger, more efficient weapons that better kill my friends and family?"

My solution is the only solution. That's why you can't come up with a solution, because there is only one.

[climber]

Iraq has shown with its historical actions to be a real threat to the Middle East. US interests as well as the world in general. That fact was made plainly obvious when they invaded Kuwait and tried to seize control of the oil there.

Why do people continue to deny the obvious, and that given the chance Saddam will rebuild Iraqs weapons and military programs. He has no choice; because that is the only way he can remain in power.

Personally I don't want to allow Iraq with its current leadership to use the money from their oil to fund the reconstruction of their weapons programs or purchase of a small nuclear weapon. (Think what could be purchased with a billion dollars worth of oil.)

[imafreak]

Originally posted by anarkisst:
"Duck and Cover" from the Commie Nuclear Threat!



I remember doing this in elementary school. Guess they should bring it back as "Duct Tape and Cover"...

What an insane World it is, eh?

and don't forget to eat 4 servings of meat everyday!

[Mediaman_12]

Originally posted by Millennium:
The same goes for the so-called "dirty bomb"; such a device actually wouldn't be likely to kill anyone, as the radiation released would be about equivalent to a chest x-ray, and that's when the bomb is at its strongest. Within five minutes, you catch no more radiation than you would by standing in direct sunlight for an hour or so.

There was a good BBC Programe about the entire 'Dirty Bomb' thing last week.
The Danger isn't from a huge Instant dose at the point of explosion, It's more of a long term thing. If you detonate a not even very large bomb, a small van for instance. This would be enough to increase the radiation in a large surounding area (tiny radioactive particals will get caried by the heat of the initial blast, then by the wind) by enough to drematicaly increase the likely hood of dying of cancer by a huge amount.
Example: Remember how long ago it was that Chenobil(sp?) hapened. There are STILL areas here in the uk that can't be used for grazing sheap on because the radiation lavels are still too high for the animals to be there all the time. It's ok to walk there now and again but it's the continuous exposure that's dangerous.
Imagine a huge area of a City with this sort of problem.

[Psychonaut]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
See: 9/11/2001 U.S. Cities attacked, Thousands killed

Historically, in war, the goal is to defeat the enemy.

Appeasement has never worked in the world. NEVER. Your argument sickens me, and I hope you are not a voting US citizen.

You are fundamentally saying "I think Iraq has the right to provide a safe-haven for criminal organizers, and I will respect their sovereignty, and I support their decision not to turn over those responsible for the planning of terror attacks against the US." or "I support Saddam Hussein's providing of the housing, financial infrastructure, and communications ability to those seeking to destroy our freedom."

"I want my son to grow up in a society under constant threat, and will encourage that threat by treating it delicately."

So take your anti-war stance and go become a human shield, because you obviously have no concern over the well-being of our citizens. Appeasement, acceptance, and anger-management classes will not solve our security problems.

Maybe you should ask yourself, "Why do I feel that the US should allow enemies to plot the death of my neighbors, and to finance and build development of smaller, stronger, more efficient weapons that better kill my friends and family?"

My solution is the only solution. That's why you can't come up with a solution, because there is only one.

http://www.aynrand.org/medialink/pea...rmongers.shtml

"The absence of a peacenik peace plan is no accident. Pacifism is inherently a negative doctrine�it merely says that military action is always bad. As one San Francisco protestor put the point: "I don't think it's right for our government to kill people." In practice, this leaves the government only two means of dealing with our enemies: to ignore their acts of aggression, or to appease them by capitulating to the aggressor's demands.
We do not need to predict or deduce the consequences of pacifism with regard to terrorism and the nations that sponsor it, because we experienced those consequences on September 11. Pacifism practically dictated the American response to terrorism for more than 23 years, beginning with our government's response to the first major act of Islamic terrorism against this country: when Iranian mobs held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days at the American embassy in Tehran. In response to that and later terrorist atrocities, American Presidents sought to avoid military action at all costs�by treating terrorists as isolated criminals and thereby ignoring the role of the governments that support them, or by offering diplomatic handouts to terrorist states in hopes that they would want to be our friends. With each pacifist response it became clearer that the most powerful nation on Earth was a paper tiger�and our enemies made the most of it."

[putamare]

You're not in the market for a bridge, are you?

A key piece of the information leading to recent terror alerts was fabricated, according to two senior law enforcement officials in Washington and New York. ABC news

Honestly, if you ever have the misfortune of receiving reliable information, you will most likely already be dead.

[thunderous_funker]

OMG!! What are you people still doing here????

There's no time to pay attention to the actions of your government or criticize their policies!! Stop reading the news or investigating the facts!!

For the love of all that's good and star-spangled, run to Home Depot and get your Official Biological Agent Resistant duct tape and plastic sheeting!! Hurry and buy a new car to get America rolling again!!

What are you waiting for?? You can't think and shop at the same time, dammitt!!

You will be notified when it is safe to start thinking for yourselves again, now RUUUUUUUUN!!

[maxintosh]

Originally posted by spacefreak:

Appeasement has never worked in the world. NEVER. Your argument sickens me, and I hope you are not a voting US citizen.

Funny that the same people who want to "protect our freedom" by bombing Iraq are the same people who tell those who disagree with them they are unpatriotic and anti-American.

Ahem.

[maxintosh]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
OMG!! What are you people still doing here????

There's no time to pay attention to the actions of your government or criticize their policies!! Stop reading the news or investigating the facts!!

For the love of all that's good and star-spangled, run to Home Depot and get your Official Biological Agent Resistant duct tape and plastic sheeting!! Hurry and buy a new car to get America rolling again!!

What are you waiting for?? You can't think and shop at the same time, dammitt!!

You will be notified when it is safe to start thinking for yourselves again, now RUUUUUUUUN!!

Oh, the nerve GM had to suggest it would "keep America rolling." More like, "keep America in the breakdown lane."

[Nicko]

If you are a free thinker you are with the terrorists!

[nonhuman]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
See: 9/11/2001 U.S. Cities attacked, Thousands killed

Yeah, I remember. I was woken up by the news report.

Historically, in war, the goal is to defeat the enemy.

Right, but you cannot defeat a terrorist organization through war. Unless they're really stupid terrorists (which Al-Queada is not, from what I've seen) it just won't work.

Appeasement has never worked in the world. NEVER. Your argument sickens me, and I hope you are not a voting US citizen.

Well tough, I am a voting US citizen. I never suggested appeasement, I'm just saying that war, whether justifiable or not, will not solve the problem. If opposing viewpoints based in fact and history sicken you, then you should probably avoid real life.

You are fundamentally saying "I think Iraq has the right to provide a safe-haven for criminal organizers, and I will respect their sovereignty, and I support their decision not to turn over those responsible for the planning of terror attacks against the US." or "I support Saddam Hussein's providing of the housing, financial infrastructure, and communications ability to those seeking to destroy our freedom."

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Try actually reading my post.

"I want my son to grow up in a society under constant threat, and will encourage that threat by treating it delicately."

Good for you?

So take your anti-war stance and go become a human shield, because you obviously have no concern over the well-being of our citizens. Appeasement, acceptance, and anger-management classes will not solve our security problems.

Given the nature of the problems, war isnt' going to solve them either.

Maybe you should ask yourself, "Why do I feel that the US should allow enemies to plot the death of my neighbors, and to finance and build development of smaller, stronger, more efficient weapons that better kill my friends and family?"

Because the US has no right to say what people in other countries are allowed to think.

My solution is the only solution. That's why you can't come up with a solution, because there is only one.

Your solution is not a solution. It's just going to make the problem worse. If there is no other option then I guess we're pretty ****ed aren't we?