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scaught · Jul 26, 2002, 09:44 PM

ok. granted i dont live in chicago or new york nor a place with class enough to even try and do the "new york style pizza" thing. theres a good pizza place downtown (pizza papilis), but in the burbs its pretty useless.

anyway. found good pizza tonight and somehow i finally realized one MAJOR thing that makes pizza good or bad, a REAL pizza oven. not that "put the pizza in the metal pan and run it through the conveyor belt" thing but the "drop the door down and slide the pizza right into the oven" thing.

the pizza place i went to tonight was pretty nasty looking. there was a screen door on the place and it wasnt exactly the cleanest place ive ever seen. pretty good pizza though.

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ReggieX · Jul 26, 2002, 10:26 PM

One of the best pizzas I've ever had was a tiny place in Sandpoint, Idaho.

MikeM32 · Jul 26, 2002, 11:03 PM

The "Mom and Pop" run Pizza joints will always have better pie than the big franchises. The mom and pop places generally don't look as "claen" or whatever, but they usually have real Pizza Ovens (as you mentionned). A real pizza is baked not fried.

The franchises love to run thier (so called) Pizza's over a fire in a hot metal pan (thus frying them), they just don't taste the same.

It makes all the difference in the world. Being from New Jersey we don't even know what Chicago style is outside of places like Pizza Hut or possibly Papa Johns. The best places here are private businesses.

Mike

Xtopolop · Jul 27, 2002, 01:05 AM

Wow, you are some deprived pizza-addicts.

You need to get out to the Bay Area and try some Zachary's stuffed pizza!!

Other pizzerias of note:
Blondies
Villa Pizza

Last week I ate nothing but pizza for 4 days, from the aforementioned places.

Ahhh... the eating habits of a college student.

Mac Zealot · Jul 27, 2002, 01:12 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Xtopolop:
Wow, you are some deprived pizza-addicts.

You need to get out to the Bay Area and try some Zachary's stuffed pizza!!

Other pizzerias of note:
Blondies
Villa Pizza

Last week I ate nothing but pizza for 4 days, from the aforementioned places.

Ahhh... the eating habits of a college student.<hr /></blockquote>aw man I've been to all those places lol.

Stuffed pizza is nasty and messy.

I find one of my favorites is when the crust is crispy and the bread is thick, and the cheese is juicy.

You ever try escape from ny pizza?

Villa pizza... isn't that inside nordstrom?! NASTY!!!!!!!!

Jasoco · Jul 27, 2002, 01:25 AM

Papa Johns tastes like crap. (It was like I put it in my mouth and it wasn't Pizza. It was horrible.)

Domino's tastes less like crap, but still like crap. (Gave me a bad aftertaste and sucked horribly too. But is still more edible than Papa's crap.)

Pizza Hut tastes the best. (It's like "Mmmmmmm.. this is gooooodddd.")

As for little Mom and Pop ones, I like the local "Pina's Pizza III" in Doylestown and the not so local "Nicola's" and "Catanzareti's" and "Guiseppie's" in Lambertville.

Chris Grande · Jul 27, 2002, 02:38 AM

One thing that totally makes the pizza is the sause, it can make or brake it.

Captain Obvious · Jul 27, 2002, 03:15 AM

Connie's Pizza in Bridgeport.

Uno's is over rated and too salty.

Apple Pro Underwear · Jul 27, 2002, 03:35 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by scaught:

the pizza place i went to tonight was pretty nasty looking. there was a screen door on the place and it wasnt exactly the cleanest place ive ever seen. <hr /></blockquote>theres this place 2 blocks down from my place. the pizza guy is like 70 and has had the pizza parlour for 50 years. pictures of the wall are all sephia tone of him and his family when it first opened.

it's packed at all working hours and recently got shut down for health violations.

having said that, the day it opened, there was a line outside. we know the pizza is clean because he makes it in front of us. he's quite elderly so it takes him awile to get a few pies in reserve. his son only likes to cook italian subs and dishes in the kitchen.

yield2apple · Jul 27, 2002, 03:43 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by ReggieX:
One of the best pizzas I've ever had was a tiny place in Sandpoint, Idaho.<hr /></blockquote>I had a really great slice of pie in Boise, Idaho.. right before a Pearl Jam concert.. it was a popular spot, and really good pizza..

Gul Banana · Jul 27, 2002, 05:40 AM

I have to agree with you about the ovens.. the best pizza in all of Western Australia is at a place called Ruocco's, where they use a real wood-fired stone oven.. you can see them putting them in on the traditional long metal things with the thing on the end

But, um.. why are some of you calling pizza "pie"?

olePigeon · Jul 27, 2002, 06:20 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jasoco:
Pizza Hut tastes the best. (It's like "Mmmmmmm.. this is gooooodddd.")<hr /></blockquote>Ok, I think we can safely assume you aren't human.

davidflas · Jul 27, 2002, 08:01 AM

The best pizza I've ever had comes from a small mom and pop place called Rodolfo's. Its in Rocky Hill, NJ which is in Montgomery Township. The place is on route 206 just north of the route 206/route 518 intersection on the right hand side. Its in the same plaza as the movie theater. Worth checking out if you are in the area.

I just wanted to add that I lived in St. Louis for 8 years, and the pizza there sux a$$!

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Captain Big Trousers · Jul 27, 2002, 08:11 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by olePigeon:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Jasoco:
Pizza Hut tastes the best. (It's like "Mmmmmmm.. this is gooooodddd.")<hr /></blockquote>Ok, I think we can safely assume you aren't human.<hr /></blockquote>I've got him down as either a seagull, a labrador or a drunk.

[edit: Does anyone know the trick to making a good pizza base?]

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Apple Pro Underwear · Jul 27, 2002, 12:45 PM

it doesn't really matter where the location of the pizza shop is right? if a italian dude could go to antarctica and order in the over, and ingrediaents he'd be cool....

dominoes and pizza hut isn't great but it's like a different type of pizzza. it's not terrible, i like it.

tooki · Jul 27, 2002, 12:58 PM

Proper pizza dough is a simple italian bread dough, on the dry side (not sticky!). A good sauce comes next (not too sweet like, say Papa John's). Good cheese and good toppings follow. Then it gets baked on stone, not metal. (A pizza oven has a stone bottom. You can buy a pizza stone for your own oven to get the same result.)

tooki

DigitalEl · Jul 27, 2002, 01:54 PM

Three words for you out West.

California Pizza Kitchen

TheMosco · Jul 27, 2002, 02:26 PM

Pizzeria Regina in the Italian north end of Boston is the best pizza. I can't get enough of that stuff. You gotta to to the original place though, not the one at the Faneuil Hall Marketplace.

daimoni · 06:39 PM

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daimoni · 06:39 PM

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roger_ramjet · Jul 27, 2002, 04:03 PM

Okay, what you guys really want to try is some New Haven style pizza. If you're not a student at Yale, I suppose the only other reason to visit New Haven is for their pizza.

Well, I did see a Grateful Dead concert at the New Haven Coliseum that was very good... Anyway, Sally's or Pepe's - both on Wooster Street - is where you want to go. Up here in Hartford, Luna Pizza makes a very good New Haven style.

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cenutrio · Jul 27, 2002, 04:30 PM

I have had good pizza in the States. Mostly in those small little Italian restaurants established long time ago, I agree the oven is �almost� everything. I dislike the big pizza players such as Dominos, Pizza Hut, etc. They do not have any clue about what a pizza must be. They prepare a too thick, too cheesy, to much tomato, and no clue about ingredients�
If you want to try the mother of all pizzas go for the Napoli Pizza very thin, just the right amount of tomato and cheese with anchovies, black olives, and capers�.delicious!!
It is difficult to find in an Italian restaurant menu, but if you ask for it, they�ll prepare it. Last time I asked for it (Tutto Pasta in State St Madison, WI), the chef showed up just to tell me that It was his favorite too (he was from Sicily).
<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Xtopolop · Jul 27, 2002, 07:24 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by daimoni:
Word up. Now, we're talking. And they make non-stuffed pizza for all the whiners.

Or check the Berkeley Cheese Board Pizza (for all you artisan cheese lovers). Thin crust, very little (and sometimes no) sauce... ah, but the cheese! Usually some kid banging out old tunes on an upright piano. Right across the street from Chez Pannise. You know what I'm talking about. Maxelson, Mastop, etc. would freak out if they went there. Menu changes daily. Yum. Yum. Yum.... followed by more Yum. Yum. Yum.
[/QB]<hr /></blockquote>THANK YOU!!

How can anyone say their stuffed pizza is nasty and messy?! <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

And now I've got a new pizza place to try out!!

korn · Jul 27, 2002, 07:31 PM

the italians should have copyrighted pizza �

CyberDave · Jul 27, 2002, 07:37 PM

Being a relatively poor college student, I tend to stick with Pizza Hut or Domino's because it's cheap (especially the local Domino's 2-for-1 carryout special) and easy. That said, I really like Chicago deep-dish style pizza (I was there a few years back and it was *really* good) and the New York style thin crust pizza is also pretty good (although the only stuff I've had in that style was at a little place in Long Beach, CA, so it might not have been a truthful representation). There's also a place in Bellingham, WA, that makes a wonderful wood-fired pizza. (I guess those are the most, er, "memorable" pizza's I've had.

)

One of these days I guess I'm going to have to go check out some the the little Mom & Pop places around here.

My 2�.

CyberDave

MikeM32 · Jul 27, 2002, 07:38 PM

I just downed the last half of a large Ham and Cheese Calzone I orderred last night. Damn that was good

Oozing with Mozzarella and Ricotta cheeses.

BURPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!

Mike

MikeM32 · Jul 27, 2002, 07:39 PM

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funkboy · Jul 27, 2002, 08:50 PM

Surprised Papa Murphy's has not been mentioned yet. Maybe it's not available outside the midwest, but it's me (and my family's, and many of my friends') favorite pizza place since it's "Take-and-bake." They make the raw pizza at their store, you pick it up, then bring it home and pop it in your own oven. That way it's nice 'n hot whenever you're ready to eat.

I had great pizza at Union Station in Washington, D.C. - at least, it was enormously thick.

However, the pizza de resistance has got to be my own mom's. It is outstanding - not a very complicated recipe, but just plain good. It beats every place I've eaten hands down.

Imperial Laser Surgery · Jul 27, 2002, 09:35 PM

Colorado has some of the worst food in general. Absolutely disgusting. To give you an idea of how bad it is, McDonald's is one of the better places to eat.

cjrivera · Jul 27, 2002, 09:48 PM

If you're ever in the Bloomington / Normal area in Illinois, try Micheleo's Pizza (Thick Crust).

It wins the "Best pizza" award at the local universities every year. Yup, even cheap, tightwad, on-a-budget students would part with their hard earned (booze) money for this stuff.

Gene Jockey · Jul 27, 2002, 10:26 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by scaught:
ok. granted i dont live in chicago or new york nor a place with class enough to even try and do the "new york style pizza" thing. theres a good pizza place downtown (pizza papilis), but in the burbs its pretty useless.
<hr /></blockquote>Well, according to my better half, G Willies in St Clair Shores is pretty good eatin'. It's moving to somewhere on Jefferson soon I guess. Check it out...

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
But, um.. why are some of you calling pizza "pie"?
<hr /></blockquote>According to the better half (again...just full of info, this girl), that's what her grandmother, who's Italian (like born in New York to Italian immigrants Italian), calls it.

So there's that.

--Josh

LudwigVan123 · Jul 27, 2002, 10:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Chris Grande:
One thing that totally makes the pizza is the sause, it can make or brake it.<hr /></blockquote>And for those of us who are lactose intolerant or allergic to dairy, the sauce is even more important. (Though I'm a big fan of thick chewy crusts too.)

SupahCoolX · Jul 28, 2002, 02:57 AM

[/qb][/QUOTE]According to the better half (again...just full of info, this girl), that's what her grandmother, who's Italian (like born in New York to Italian immigrants Italian), calls it.[/QB][/QUOTE]

Yeah, in NY, a Pizza is a Pie. "When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie...."

I feel sorry for those of you who can't have real, Mom&Pop, NY, dirty pizzeria, oil-oozing Pizza. You know, the kind where the cheese really stretches, the oil runs down your arm, the slices are huge...

Oh, and the best is the thin, fresh Mozzarella pizza from Pronto Pizza on 5th Ave. Or the Manhattan Deli on Bleecker/Houston St. Or Mondello (not the best, but's the prices are good). Or Original in Brooklyn.

Geez, I'm hungry now...

milhous · Jul 28, 2002, 10:00 PM

As others have said, nothing beats a "Mom -n Pop" Pizzaria that's passionate about making great pizza.

But if you're on the road and need to find some pizza, look for the chain <a href="http://www.pizzeriauno.com/" target="_blank">Pizzeria UNO</a> . They're Pizza is actually very good.

miro7 · Jul 28, 2002, 10:26 PM

When I visited Chicago a few years ago, I hit a place called Giodornos (?). Perhaps one of the natives can correct me, but they had the best stuffed pizza ever.

Down here in the south, we really aren't sure what to make of pizza. If you can't fry it or put gravy on it...we just don't know...

Xtopolop · Jul 29, 2002, 01:15 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by milhous:
As others have said, nothing beats a "Mom -n Pop" Pizzaria that's passionate about making great pizza.

But if you're on the road and need to find some pizza, look for the chain <a href="http://www.pizzeriauno.com/" target="_blank">Pizzeria UNO</a> . They're Pizza is actually very good.<hr /></blockquote>ugh.

The only Pizzeria UNO I've been to is in Jack London Square, and it's horrid. Their pizza pales in comparison to ZACHARY'S!! So if you're in the East Bay, and you're craving some pizza, look up Zachary's on College Ave. or Solano Ave., and skip Pizzeria Uno. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

alphamatrix · Jul 29, 2002, 01:52 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CyberDave:
Being a relatively poor college student, I tend to stick with Pizza Hut or Domino's because it's cheap (especially the local Domino's 2-for-1 carryout special) and easy. That said, I really like Chicago deep-dish style pizza (I was there a few years back and it was *really* good) and the New York style thin crust pizza is also pretty good (although the only stuff I've had in that style was at a little place in Long Beach, CA, so it might not have been a truthful representation). There's also a place in Bellingham, WA, that makes a wonderful wood-fired pizza. (I guess those are the most, er, "memorable" pizza's I've had.

)

One of these days I guess I'm going to have to go check out some the the little Mom & Pop places around here.

My 2�.

CyberDave<hr /></blockquote>You remember the name of the place in Bellingham? If you ever get around near Burlington try Cascade Pizza, good stuff.

malvolio · Jul 29, 2002, 03:12 PM

There used to be a place in Albany, NY called Italia. Family owned and operated, with a real pizza oven. They made a pizza with a thin crust and a tangy sauce (but never used too much of it). Their pepperoni pizza slices dripped oil all over the place. Sheer heaven!

climber · Jul 29, 2002, 03:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Xtopolop:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by milhous:
As others have said, nothing beats a "Mom -n Pop" Pizzaria that's passionate about making great pizza.

But if you're on the road and need to find some pizza, look for the chain <a href="http://www.pizzeriauno.com/" target="_blank">Pizzeria UNO</a> . They're Pizza is actually very good.<hr /></blockquote>ugh.

The only Pizzeria UNO I've been to is in Jack London Square, and it's horrid. Their pizza pales in comparison to ZACHARY'S!! So if you're in the East Bay, and you're craving some pizza, look up Zachary's on College Ave. or Solano Ave., and skip Pizzeria Uno. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <hr /></blockquote>The BEST PIZZZA IN THE WORLD !!!- Uno's in downtown Chicago, period.!!!

The chain you are refering to is NOT the same stuff. It is a cheap use of a great name. A real deep dish pizza, takes over an hour to prepare and requires placing the pizza order as soon as your name is added to the waiting list.

And for god's sake don't go to a Chicago pizza joint and order the thin. Or if you do don't complain it sucks. Go to NY if you want it thin.

maxelson · Jul 29, 2002, 03:36 PM

Sweet fancy moses. How much time have I wasted in the "It is Finished" thread? HOW did this one slip past me? Shazam, but my powers are slipping.
Right. Pizza.

Pizza is VERY serious business. VERY. There's no joking about Pizza. It is more important than sex.

Every place I travel to is a potential perfect pizza moment locale. And it is my JOB to coax that moment forth. Of course, this also means I have to endure quite a bit for my art.

Lets start with the rules. No massive chains. Too much consistency. Pizza Hut in Montreal is the same as in Stamford. Waste of time.
Next. Cheese Pizza only. Got to get right to the essense of the pie. There must be nothing to hide behind. We must be able to tiptoe unimpeded up to the zest of the sauce, the quality of the cheese, the subtleties of spice, the texture and flavor of the dough. Salt is the only add on... and I bring my own.
My own preferences lean toward what one might call the "New York" style of pizza. Flat. Round. Crisp thin crust. A fine base mix of cheeses. A non stingy approach to sauce distribution. No sog. The end crust cannot be too big and fluffy. To big and the cheese will not spill up on the end and crust up there... one of the best parts of the communion with the pizza. One more general observation- the best pizza is born of pizza shops of Greek proprietorship. I know not why.
Favorites to date:
Log term favs: My perfect Pizzas
Waynes Pizza, Gold Star Blvd, Worcester, MA. Ultra thin crust, a very tangy sauce with a high basil content, hint of garlic and a good smattering of oregano. A sweetness lingers after the substance has left the palate. The cheese is, I think, a three or four mix. Not too meltymessystringy but it brown appropriately in spots. They are very generous with the cheese which, as we all know, goes a long way with me.

Barrington House of Pizza- off County Rd, Barrington, RI. Miracle of miracles, the owner, Geroge, used to work for Waynes. When I lived in Barrington, I thought I had found Nirvana when I found the BHOP.

Thompson St. Pizza in the Village in Manhattan. God, yes, there IS something perfect in that city. I am not sure what they put in that sauce- it was a little peppery, almost had a tanniny bite to it and the cheese- bubbly- two or three blend, but that cheese was almost liquid and I didn't mind! WHy? Because the crust was soooo crisp, so light with a hint of cheese dancing throughout IT!
Whenever I take that trip to hell (NYC) I WILL go to Tompson St. Pizza... which was still there as of two years ago. If there is a God, it will ALWAYS be there and it will never change.

I make do with my local pizza. Not a good statement. Sometimes I have to drive the 20 minutes to Waynes.

maxelson · Jul 29, 2002, 03:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by roger_ramjet:
Okay, what you guys really want to try is some New Haven style pizza. If you're not a student at Yale, I suppose the only other reason to visit New Haven is for their pizza.

Well, I did see a Grateful Dead concert at the New Haven Coliseum that was very good... Anyway, Sally's or Pepe's - both on Wooster Street - is where you want to go. Up here in Hartford, Luna Pizza makes a very good New Haven style.<hr /></blockquote>I have et at Sally's because it were recommended. I gave it an 8.5 on my 10 star rating, as I recall. Parking sucked, unless I am thinking of another joint.
As for this "Cheese Board Pizza" in Berkley. It seems I have a reason to go to CA, now. At my first available opportunity...
"but honey, we GOT to go! They guys said that the pizza kicks ASS!"

scottiB · Jul 29, 2002, 04:10 PM

Gene Jockey, scaught, anyone in or will be in the Detroit area needs to try Amici's Pizza in Berkeley--just west of Royal Oak: asparagus, feta, with sun-dried tomato sauce. Tremendous pesto breadsticks--just exemplary eating.

denim · Jul 29, 2002, 04:39 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by scaught:
anyway. found good pizza tonight and somehow i finally realized one MAJOR thing that makes pizza good or bad, a REAL pizza oven. not that "put the pizza in the metal pan and run it through the conveyor belt" thing but the "drop the door down and slide the pizza right into the oven" thing.<hr /></blockquote>Yup. The best pizza, bar none, is done using a coal fired pizza oven in New Haven, CT. It's called "Pepe's" and it's been there for something like 77 years. It's wonderful. No, that's a massive understatement. It's enough to generate two-hour-plus lines, when there are other pizza places down the street. It's freaking orgasmic.

denim · Jul 29, 2002, 04:42 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by roger_ramjet:
Anyway, Sally's or Pepe's - both on Wooster Street - is where you want to go.<hr /></blockquote>Okay, now you've got to choose: which one do you prefer? I include "The Spot" when I talk about Pepe's, by the way.

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Up here in Hartford, Luna Pizza makes a very good New Haven style.<hr /></blockquote>Now you're gonna make me look that up. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="frown.gif" />

denim · Jul 29, 2002, 04:51 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by maxelson:
Next. Cheese Pizza only. Got to get right to the essense of the pie.<hr /></blockquote>You just contradicted yourself. If you've already added cheese, you've already corrupted the pizza, if you really want to get to the base. I know where you can buy this, too.

denim · Jul 29, 2002, 04:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by maxelson:
I have et at Sally's because it were recommended. I gave it an 8.5 on my 10 star rating, as I recall.<hr /></blockquote>You had the chance and didn't go to Pepe's? You poor bastid. Parking is irrelevant.

imafreak · Jul 29, 2002, 05:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
I have to agree with you about the ovens.. the best pizza in all of Western Australia is at a place called Ruocco's, where they use a real wood-fired stone oven.. you can see them putting them in on the traditional long metal things with the thing on the end

But, um.. why are some of you calling pizza "pie"?<hr /></blockquote>

imafreak · Jul 29, 2002, 05:44 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
I have to agree with you about the ovens.. the best pizza in all of Western Australia is at a place called Ruocco's, where they use a real wood-fired stone oven.. you can see them putting them in on the traditional long metal things with the thing on the end

But, um.. why are some of you calling pizza "pie"?<hr /></blockquote>That's what we call pizza over here. When I say I'm getting a pie or a slice, most people I know know I'm talking pizza.

scaught · Jul 29, 2002, 10:03 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by maxelson:
Sweet fancy moses. How much time have I wasted in the "It is Finished" thread? HOW did this one slip past me? Shazam, but my powers are slipping.
Right. Pizza.

Pizza is VERY serious business. VERY. There's no joking about Pizza. It is more important than sex. <hr /></blockquote>1. somehow i knew you were going to be a "cheese only" pizza fella. i like onions sometimes, but other than that just cheese all the way.
2. i also figured you to be the "i make it myself at home and heres how" recipe for pizza guy. are you?

scaught · Jul 29, 2002, 10:09 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by scottiB:
Gene Jockey, scaught, anyone in or will be in the Detroit area needs to try Amici's Pizza in Berkeley--just west of Royal Oak: asparagus, feta, with sun-dried tomato sauce. Tremendous pesto breadsticks--just exemplary eating.<hr /></blockquote>hmm. is that in that "downtown" stretch on um, 13 mile or wherever?

i got one for you too. its off halsted between 12 mile and grand river (closer to grand river), and its called "tomatoes apizza" (thats not a typing error, he calls it apizza. the guy who owned it explained it to me at some point. it doesnt matter). anyway. its a good pizza. thin, crispy, VERY nice sauce, light on the cheese, i remember it being super garlicky, awesome. i havent been there in a couple years but i think its still there. its good stuff.