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Nov 13, 2006, 09:09 PM
 
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,229152,00.html

If he runs, it will be a slaughter.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:13 PM
 
I don't think he'd even last a campaign. He looks very sickly.

I heard he is also gay, but aren't most pubbies?
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:17 PM
 
I fully expect besson to come in here and chastise you for that post.

Not really.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:22 PM
 
i like rudy
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:28 PM
 
Yes please! Rudy for Prez!
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:35 PM
 
Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
I fully expect besson to come in here and chastise you for that post.

Not really.
I would just put Buffoon3c on your ignore list, like I have.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:39 PM
 
I don't know too much about him, but from what I understand, he was very well liked in NY. (Am I correct on that?)
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:41 PM
 
rudy turned a scary nyc to one that has families walking up and down 42nd street after midnight...amazing
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 09:54 PM
 
Yeah right, as if this man can win the Republican primary.

     
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Nov 13, 2006, 10:04 PM
 
Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
Yeah right, as if this man can win the Republican primary.

[img]http://www.newyorkslime.com/giuliani-drag.jpg[/img
I'd vote for him.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 10:31 PM
 
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Yes please! Rudy for Prez!
You live in Angleland.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 10:38 PM
 
Originally Posted by Atomic Rooster View Post
You live in Angleland.
Doesn't stop me from liking Rudy. Besides, if he gets in it's going to be very interesting to watch him interact with our muppets.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 10:40 PM
 
Giuliani would be interesting, but I suspect that the Republicans are more likely to choose McCain.

A McCain vs. Obama race would be extremely interesting, and frankly I hope it happens. It would be a refreshing break from the polarizing races of the last several years, because it's really hard to hate either one of them. If anything can help the nation begin to heal from 16 years of polarization, it's a race between these two.
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Nov 13, 2006, 10:42 PM
 
I suspect many Republicans would choose Giuliani over John McCain.

McCain survived torture at the hands of the Vietnamese. Giuliani led through national tragedy, much more recently.

McCain has left a lot of Republicans questioning him, as he's the darling of the mainstream media.

The so-called far right evangelicals are far more ready to support Giuliani and Schwarzenegger than McCain, although if McCain wins a primary, he will have support under the Reagan position that Republicans don't tear down other Republicans.

I'm not sure what would be interesting about an Obama v. McCain race. Obama is more charismatic than McCain, and they both share some similar politics in some respects.
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The so-called far right evangelicals are far more ready to support Giuliani and Schwarzenegger than McCain
Which is to say, they're 2% behind McCain and 4% behind Giuliani.

Come on, there's no way a pro-choice, pro-gay-rights politician can get the Republican presidential nomination. It's going to be someone like Sam Brownback for the Republicans in '08.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 10:59 PM
 
Giuliani is basically a national hero and one of the few prospects who has actually shown a clear ability to make good judgements and be a leader. He is also pretty moderate and was never a religious right winger (at least not in his public policy).

I've never voted for a Republican president but I would consider voting for him (if there was an awful Democratic candidate). He was a Republican who ran a very Democratic and diverse city very, very well. Considering what an absolute disaster Bush has made of everything, he is really the only chance Republicans have of holding on to the white house.

Still, if he was forced to curry favor from the religious right and started spewing right wing religious garbage then they would ruin him as a candidate and he would just become another extremist.
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 11:04 PM
 
Bush caused me to wreck my car.

Twice. What a absolute disaster it was.
( Last edited by Kevin; Nov 13, 2006 at 11:20 PM. Reason: I forgot to add "absolute")
     
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Nov 13, 2006, 11:10 PM
 
About heroes, I'd take any NYC firemen or policemen instead of Giuliani.
     
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Bush caused me to wreck my car.

Twice. What a absolute disaster it was.
     
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Originally Posted by BRussell View Post
Which is to say, they're 2% behind McCain and 4% behind Giuliani.

Come on, there's no way a pro-choice, pro-gay-rights politician can get the Republican presidential nomination. It's going to be someone like Sam Brownback for the Republicans in '08.
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
Bush caused me to wreck my car.

Twice. What a absolute disaster it was.
Serves you right trying to pass him while he's riding his bike.
     
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Originally Posted by Zeeb View Post
Giuliani is basically a national hero and one of the few prospects who has actually shown a clear ability to make good judgements and be a leader. He is also pretty moderate and was never a religious right winger (at least not in his public policy).

I've never voted for a Republican president but I would consider voting for him (if there was an awful Democratic candidate). He was a Republican who ran a very Democratic and diverse city very, very well. Considering what an absolute disaster Bush has made of everything, he is really the only chance Republicans have of holding on to the white house.

Still, if he was forced to curry favor from the religious right and started spewing right wing religious garbage then they would ruin him as a candidate and he would just become another extremist.
Because diverse is only good when it has nothing to do with religious people?

Giuliani would be well supported by all Republicans. Someone like Sam Brownback isn't even on the radar for higher office.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 12:10 AM
 
Not surprising. Last Forbes speculated about that, too.

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Nov 14, 2006, 12:18 AM
 
I don't think he's qualified.

Running a city =/ Running a country
     
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Not surprising. Last Forbes speculated about that, too.

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Originally Posted by macintologist View Post
I don't think he's qualified.

Running a city =/ Running a country
Running NYC is like running a State. And Senators run for President and do a good job irrespective of their experience running a large governmental organization.

But look at the PROBLEMS Rudy SOLVED that NO ONE ELSE had even tried to tackle!
     
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Originally Posted by macintologist View Post
I don't think he's qualified.

Running a city =/ Running a country
What qualified Bush?

What qualified Clinton for that matter?

I don't think being a Senator is 1/4 as hard as being a Mayor of a city as large as NYC.
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What qualified Bush?

What qualified Clinton for that matter?

I don't think being a Senator is 1/4 as hard as being a Mayor of a city as large as NYC.
Since when does reality matter? It's all about perception.
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Nov 14, 2006, 03:13 AM
 
There seemed to be quite a bit of bitterness directed toward McCain on some the the right wing sites last week--they seemed to think he had hurt Shrub by being disloyal. I thought he had been sucking up to the far right for the last year or so, even giving a speech at Falwell's college in Va last spring. Pretty amazing after the way they treated him in 2000. I used to think he was a pretty decent guy, but after watching his recent actions, I'm not so sure any more. I think Rudy might make a good president, but I can't see him ever getting the nomination from the current Republican party.
     
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Originally Posted by Doofy View Post
Yes please! Rudy for Prez!
Gasp, a Foreign Agent is trying to influence a US election! Where's marden?!!?

I'd say Giuliani has a better shot at both winning the nomination and an election than McCain, but I still kind of have to agree with BRussell that I'm not sure Republicans would nominate either of them.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 03:23 AM
 
But Rudy was in Anger Management....
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Nov 14, 2006, 03:26 AM
 
I think mayors of big cities make too many enemies, it is too hard for them to make it big in national politics.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 05:30 AM
 
I just don't see Rudy as "electable"…but what do I know.
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Nov 14, 2006, 07:53 AM
 
He is very electable. Heck smack how many leftist in this thread alone said they would vote for him?
     
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Originally Posted by smacintush View Post
I just don't see Rudy as "electable"…but what do I know.
You are correct. Giuliani is a pro-abortion, pro-gay rights liberal who happens to be a Republican. He had a "tough-guy" attitude because he was a former prosecutor (tough on crime) and wanted to reduce the size of the city government, but his only Conservative credentials are that he was less liberal than David Dinkins.

There's nothing wrong with that when running for office in New York City. (heck, I even voted for him for Mayor when I was voting absentee from college). And he would be a much better President than a Senator. But I doubt the "flyover country" would vote for him once his past was explored in more depth.

Rudy's wiki page is strangely quiet about his divorce. His Ex-Wife's page barely mentions it. There were a lot of fun stories from that time in the press.... I can't find a firm link on this (maybe someone else can, I need to get to work), but he was getting divorced at the end of his term, and his wife kicked him out of Gracie Mansion (where the Mayor traditionally lives), so he moved into a loft with two gay friends for a while. I don't think the folks who are currently voting on same-sex marriage bans would take kindly to that....
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Nov 14, 2006, 08:28 AM
 
We will see
     
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
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If he runs, it will be a slaughter.
I thinks its much too early to say it will be a slaughter. I like Rudy (for the moment). I want to know however what he stands for and the direction he envisions the country to be heading.
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Nov 14, 2006, 09:42 AM
 
Much like the democratic re-take of congress it may be a bit early to call anything a "landslide", but Rudy is well liked in NY and much of the country, I would vote for him if there is no stronger candidate (I would take Obama over him)
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 09:45 AM
 
Rudy vs. Clinton

Now that would be quite the campaign.
     
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
We will see
I think he'd make a fine President, provided his health holds out. President of the United States and Mayor of New York City are pretty much the only two jobs big enough to fully contain his ego. But I just don't think that the social conservative wing of the Republican party, after being just about betrayed by Bush (the only thing they got from him that they wanted was a firm shove to the Right for the Supreme Court), they're simply not going to endorse someone with questionable Social Conservative credentials. If he gets the Republican nomination, look for someone like Pat Buchanan (not necessarily him, just someone like him) to make a viable third-party run.

Now, if Rudy changes parties....
     
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Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
He is very electable. Heck smack how many leftist in this thread alone said they would vote for him?
Which is exactly why he'll not be getting my vote.
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Well, if the Republicans live up to their claims at to why they lost this last election (not conservative enough), I don't see him getting the nomination.
     
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Which is exactly why he'll not be getting my vote.
You don't like him cause he's liberal, or because some liberals like him?
     
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Originally Posted by marden View Post
But look at the PROBLEMS Rudy SOLVED that NO ONE ELSE had even tried to tackle!
Yeah, he turned NYC into a sterile Disneyland for white tourists.

In all honesty, I don't like any of the potential candidates so far, and don't have enough info on others, so it's too early.
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Originally Posted by Dakar² View Post
You don't like him cause he's liberal, or because some liberals like him?
I was actually being tongue in cheek about it. I don't really know enough about him yet to have formulated an opinion. I'm relatively tired of elections and campaigns and liberal this/conservative that. I'll think more about it all next year some time.
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Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
I was actually being tongue in cheek about it.
Ah, my bad.

Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
I'm relatively tired of elections and campaigns and liberal this/conservative that. I'll think more about it all next year some time.
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Originally Posted by Rumor View Post
What qualified Bush?

What qualified Clinton for that matter?

I don't think being a Senator is 1/4 as hard as being a Mayor of a city as large as NYC.
They were both in executive positions running a state government.
     
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Originally Posted by Dakar² View Post
Ah, my bad.
it's not your bad Dakar², I couldn't have expected you to know. Sometimes this "tongue in cheek" stuff is intended to ruffle feathers. I couldn't resist and this in fact is my bad.

Aren't we all. Well, we should be.
Honestly, I'm so glad it's over. Soon enough we'll be mired in it again though.
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Originally Posted by ebuddy View Post
it's not your bad Dakar², I couldn't have expected you to know. Sometimes this "tongue in cheek" stuff is intended to ruffle feathers. I couldn't resist and this in fact is my bad.
Well, the problem is I could see it being said truthfully around here.
     
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Nov 14, 2006, 12:33 PM
 
As a matter of fact:

Population of Texas: 20,851,820
Population of Arkansas (the entire state): 2,673,400
Population of New York City: 8,340,760

Not smart to get into a "qualifications" debate based on number of persons previously governed.


So, what I'm hearing is that a Giuliani/McCain ticket would be virtually unstoppable?
Don't laugh - there was Reagan/Bush - remember?
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