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Jul 31, 2017, 01:46 PM
 
Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Yes, it's fake news.

How is he derailing? The Clintons and little Debbie have been deeply involved with Russia, you could even say it reached the point where it was "radioactive".
It looks like the Awan brothers may be why the emails became "available'. Shaffer says one brother helped in the DNC/Clinton collusion to steal the nomination from Bernie. No wonder she wanted their computers back form the DC police.
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Aug 1, 2017, 03:31 PM
 
This is where we'll put all the posts that derail other topics. Which is not to say that topics can't eventually evolve into why Japan is a jerk, but we all know what's derailing.
     
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Challenge accepted!
     
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Aug 1, 2017, 03:46 PM
 
Can you go ahead and move all of those dumb alien posts here now?
     
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Potpourri : the thread
     
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Would now be a good time to point out the unfairness of catering towards this request while nobody has helped me with my butthole?

It would probably be a highly inappropriate and stupid thing to say, so I won't.
     
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Originally Posted by Laminar View Post
Can you go ahead and move all of those dumb alien posts here now?
Why? There's more proof of P'Lod collusion than with Russia.
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Why? There's more proof of P'Lod collusion than with Russia.
Sorry dude, you don't get to talk about proof of things. You're the guy that thinks that the 60k+ peer reviewed articles about global warming are a big global conspiracy.
     
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I'm still giving my reply to your butthole problem some thought. It's worth the effort.

Just think about it like this: Someone deep down cares.

I like you, friend.
     
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Are you sure deep is the kind of care you want for your butthole?
I have plenty of more important things to do, if only I could bring myself to do them....
     
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep View Post
Are you sure deep is the kind of care you want for your butthole?
I fear that this thread is morphing into a thread about my butthole.

Is this good?
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
60k+ peer reviewed articles
This is bullshit, and it's continued use will see continued objection from me.

I accused the source of using obscenely self-serving methodology, and stand by that claim.
     
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
This is bullshit, and it's continued use will see continued objection from me.

I accused the source of using obscenely self-serving methodology, and stand by that claim.

Remind me what you didn't like about his methodology?

It doesn't even matter, even if you were to review his methodology and only give the green light to half these articles, providing the other half didn't provide evidence against GW that's still a hell of a lot of articles and agreement.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
providing the other half didn't provide evidence against GW that's still a hell of a lot of articles and agreement.
We see eye to eye then. This is an argument I won't challenge.


According to the analysis I read (the real deal was paywalled), an article is considered to be in the pro-AGW category as long as it didn't explicitly reject it.

In other words, to give a hypothetical example, a paper saying there's a 1% chance of AGW would go in the pro-AGW category.
     
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Aug 2, 2017, 09:56 AM
 
Stop making this thread about stuff!!!
This space for Hire! Reasonable rates. Reach an audience of literally dozens!
     
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Originally Posted by Doc HM View Post
Stop making this thread about stuff!!!
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Why do you feel the need to apologize for him? I thought you didn't vote for him?
Do you get a high from constantly misrepresenting my positions? Is it a compulsion or an illness? If I ever do decide to "apologize for Trump", I'll let you know, Cha-cha.
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Originally Posted by subego View Post
We see eye to eye then. This is an argument I won't challenge.


According to the analysis I read (the real deal was paywalled), an article is considered to be in the pro-AGW category as long as it didn't explicitly reject it.

In other words, to give a hypothetical example, a paper saying there's a 1% chance of AGW would go in the pro-AGW category.
A paper can say, "We have serious problems with the AGW models, their data collection methods, and even the data itself, but we feel that there's something going on and it's possible", will get thrown on the pro-AGW pile.
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
A paper can say, "We have serious problems with the AGW models, their data collection methods, and even the data itself, but we feel that there's something going on and it's possible", will get thrown on the pro-AGW pile.
I still want to know if you are a global warming denier.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Do you get a high from constantly misrepresenting my positions? Is it a compulsion or an illness? If I ever do decide to "apologize for Trump", I'll let you know, Cha-cha.

I don't think I'm alone in saying that I don't really know what stuff you say just to play devil's advocate for presumably some sense of enjoyment, and what stuff you actually believe. You can get pissy with people that want to know, but if this really irritates you this you should think about being more clear and transparent.

For example, I still don't know if you are a global warming denier, or even if you generally support Trump's presidency. I know you are pro-Axanar, but that's the only issues that comes to mind right now that has been made clear.

Of course, you can be against something but defend that thing because you don't like the argument. Perhaps this is what you do, but you seem to get so passionate and clingy to these viewpoints that I'm not sure if this is the case.
     
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I've already told you I'm not a CC denier. WTF? Go badger someone else for "wrongthink".
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Hey, stop having conversations in here. Especially ones that just reiterate the other 12 page threads we have!
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
I don't think I'm alone in saying that I don't really know what stuff you say just to play devil's advocate for presumably some sense of enjoyment, and what stuff you actually believe. You can get pissy with people that want to know, but if this really irritates you this you should think about being more clear and transparent.
Someone here needs to play DI, or this place would be not much more than a left-wing echo chamber, and since I enjoy doing it, it might as well be me. Occasionally I'll even take positions that I completely disagree with, just to "try them on" and see from another perspective (often the views of people I know outside the forums, to understand where they're coming from).

(Comically, in RL I'm accused of being a Left-wing apologist, because there I'm surrounded by people on the Right and argue against their positions. I guess you know you're doing a good job if people complain enough.)
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Well, you can see how that'd be a bit confusing/misleading for others, right? Just prefacing your arguments with "what if" could go a long way.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Someone here needs to play DI, or this place would be not much more than a left-wing echo chamber, and since I enjoy doing it, it might as well be me. Occasionally I'll even take positions that I completely disagree with, just to "try them on" and see from another perspective (often the views of people I know outside the forums, to understand where they're coming from).

(Comically, in RL I'm accused of being a Left-wing apologist, because there I'm surrounded by people on the Right and argue against their positions. I guess you know you're doing a good job if people complain enough.)

I've done that before too, but I hope you can appreciate that it is irritating when you don't make this clear.

Take the global warming thread, for example. If I knew that you were down with global warming I could have not expended as much effort trying to convince you of something you didn't need convincing of, and just ignored your focus on which projections have been right and off-base (which I don't really care about as much).

Yeah, a little "what if" can go a long way.

And in the spirit of this thread, what if you've been talking to Al Gore this whole time? That's right, I'm Al Gore, former vice president, you son of a bitch.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
Sorry dude, you don't get to talk about proof of things. You're the guy that thinks that the 60k+ peer reviewed articles about global warming are a big global conspiracy.
So you think YOU are in charge or something? STFU! What a hypocrite.
     
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Remind me what you didn't like about his methodology?

It doesn't even matter, even if you were to review his methodology and only give the green light to half these articles, providing the other half didn't provide evidence against GW that's still a hell of a lot of articles and agreement.
http://www.wnd.com/2017/07/weather-b...imate-numbers/
     
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Proof that either a) Australians are out for world domination thru climate manipulation; or b) kangaroos think it's funny to muck about with remote climate sensors.
     
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I don't think you understand the concepts of sample size.

Also:

     
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Originally Posted by andi*pandi View Post
Well, you can see how that'd be a bit confusing/misleading for others, right? Just prefacing your arguments with "what if" could go a long way.
Then people don't debate as vigorously and it isn't as informative.
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Then people don't debate as vigorously and it isn't as informative.
Informative to whom?

Knowing what people actually think and feel and calibrating accordingly is about the most informative thing there is in a conversation.
     
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Informative to whom?
Me. If I want to see something from a different POV, sometimes I will adopt the opposing one for a while to see what it's like.
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Me. If I want to see something from a different POV, sometimes I will adopt the opposing one for a while to see what it's like.
I remember people here giving me payoff for using them as conversational guinea pigs...
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
Me. If I want to see something from a different POV, sometimes I will adopt the opposing one for a while to see what it's like.
Then why does every debate with you end up with you insulting and name-calling? If you're trying to refine a viewpoint or challenge someone's way of thinking, stick to the discussion and stop taking everything so personally.
     
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Then why does every debate with you end up with you insulting and name-calling?
They don't.
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I remember people here giving me payoff for using them as conversational guinea pigs...
They did?
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They don't.
So you feel a need to be right even about people sharing their experiences they've had with conversations with you, telling them that they are essentially invalid and that we shouldn't feel annoyed by your lack of transparency and your persistence in needing to be right even with opinions you don't really even believe in?

You've complained about the lack of political diversity around here, but maybe part of the problem is people throwing in the towel in having conversations with you because of this.
     
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Besson did have several threads where he started with the premise of seeing things from the other shoe's perspective. They... did not last or were not kept in the spirit of the OP.
     
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Besson did have several threads where he started with the premise of seeing things from the other shoe's perspective. They... did not last or were not kept in the spirit of the OP.
I've tended to blow my cool in those threads, which I fully admit doesn't help, but it's not happening in a vacuum.

It's not random chance it's those threads which consistently cause me to lose it. I lose it because those supposed attempts to understand the other side have OPs packed to bursting with insults.

"I just trying to understand why Republicans are such dipshits."
     
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nobody has helped me with my butthole?
Stop playing with it and it will heal.

YW
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
even about people sharing their experiences they've had with conversations with you, telling them that they are essentially invalid
They are, because has already been pointed out, they don't occur within a vacuum. If someone is level-headed and fair, I'm level-headed and fair, if/when they resort to attacks and insults, I either stop becoming level-headed and fair. Lately I just report them, though, and that seems to work well.
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I've tended to blow my cool in those threads, which I fully admit doesn't help, but it's not happening in a vacuum.

It's not random chance it's those threads which consistently cause me to lose it. I lose it because those supposed attempts to understand the other side have OPs packed to bursting with insults.

"I just trying to understand why Republicans are such dipshits."

I now understand that the leading nature of threads like that is annoying, but this thread (ironically about derailment) might have provided us with an epiphany and opportunity for more civility if only CTP can be convinced of/understand how his little experimental stances can also be annoying at times, maybe in some ways that are similar.

At the very least, now I know that CTP might not actually think that man made climate change is a hoax, that Russia might not actually be a nothing burger, that muslims are not necessarily on a path to becoming terrorists, that Republicans have not contributed to health care in a positive way, that Clinton and Obama don't eat baby flesh, and that Trump doesn't not suck. I might think to ask him what he really believes if I'm not in the mood to be experimented on.

I was not in the mood to be experimented on when it comes to global warming being a hoax, because the fact that people feel this and come up with completely ridiculous arguments for it makes me legitimately sad for humanity. Making me sad makes me sad.
     
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Originally Posted by Cap'n Tightpants View Post
They are, because has already been pointed out, they don't occur within a vacuum. If someone is level-headed and fair, I'm level-headed and fair, if/when they resort to attacks and insults, I either stop becoming level-headed and fair. Lately I just report them, though, and that seems to work well.

You're not getting it.

The way people feel is not a right or wrong thing, it's the way they feel. Funny that somebody with a deficiency for empathy has to point this out to you. You either respect how they feel, or you invalidate that and drug on them.

I'm telling you, there are people that are not always up for your experiments. There is no right or wrong to this, feelings are not always rational.
     
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Andi, this would be a perfect time to move my butthole comments to the derailment thread. I would love to see it jump to feelings about being experimented on to my butthole.

Plus, maybe PeterParker would appreciate this.
     
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Originally Posted by besson3c View Post
You're not getting it.

The way people feel is not a right or wrong thing, it's the way they feel.
I'm not responsible for their feelings and have no control over them. If they don't lose their cool and snark out, henceforth I'll do my best to be a kind forum citizen.

I'm telling you, there are people that are not always up for your experiments. There is no right or wrong to this, feelings are not always rational.
If they don't want to debate they don't have to. As subego stated, your "experiments" frequently start with something like, "I'm just trying to understand why Republicans are such dipshits", which is obviously going to set someone off. I merely stand for the opposing side sometimes, and that alone is enough to anger some people and spark hostility. Why? Because, by all appearances, they seem to keep their ideology so close to the skin. ex. A remark against DNC policy is somehow interpreted as a personal attack, when that was never the intention.

Frankly, if someone gets so triggered over a differing POV being presented, which admittedly happens all-too-often when broaching politics, then perhaps they don't need to be discussing personally sensitive topics outside of a "safe space" in the first place (and no, I'm not mocking safe spaces, if a person needs one, then so be it).
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I'm not responsible for their feelings and have no control over them. If they don't lose their cool and snark out, henceforth I'll do my best to be a kind forum citizen.
So, if you feel that you have no responsibility for annoying people, whenever you say something that sounds rather off-the-wall I'll just ask you if you mean this or if you are just experimenting on us, and we'll see how long it takes before that becomes annoying to you.
     
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Thanks Andi, you are my favorite.
     
 
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