[MacGorilla]

Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral, so I'm going to speak my mind here then let it go after saying what I have to say.

We live in a strange time. Here, we have a President campaigning for reelection on the basis that he has secured America and is the only logical choice to do for another four years. This is interesting because this is the man who presided over the largest intelligence failure in a couple of generations, that saw 19 men armed with box cutters shake our nation to its core and into a tail spin. Never mind the fact that half truths and lies were the foundation of the man's personal vendetta against Iraq, a chaotic, ill planned war that took a country that wasn't a breeding ground for terrorist to into exactly that--a country sized Beruit straight out of the 80s. Insurgents control many cities and the prime minister of Iraq can barley be called even the mayor of baghdad.

Meanwhile, the men who are terrorists and who do hold personal responsibility for 9/11--Osama Bin Laden and his Taliban minions--are still at large. Iraq has diverted resources from the effort to capture or kill those men. On top of that two nations which had a hand in 9/11--Saudi Arabia and Yemen, are still coddled while a millitary dictator whose very top scientist ran a nuclear supermarket--Pakistan--is still a us favorite. Osama is in the mountains of Pakistan--why aren't the Pakistanis being more aggressive? And why aren't US troops on the ground there hunting Bin Laden?

What happened to the good republican party of Lincoln, Roosevelt and Eisenhower, socially progressive men who champanioned the enviromentm higher education and equal rights? How come norrow minded, religious fanatics who will do anything--including shredding our Constitution--to advance their agenda and line their pockets and the pockets of their supporters run the party? How come a republican senator (Hatch) is championing a bill that make things like the iPod illegal while the assault weapons ban expire? Why do we spend $30 on a poorly tested missile defense system while our schools gasp for funding and 45 million people go without health care? Why? Do these men in the White House, the Justice Department and the Senate have no shame, no sense of right and wrong, no way to see how the ordinary American lives?

And the campaign, whats up with that? Both Kerry and Bush are flawed men, we know that. Who cares what happened 30 years ago? Did Bush show up for guard duty? Did kerry deserve his purple hearts? Who cares! How do you stand on the issues like a hike in the minimum wage, the enviroment, how you are going to erase the deficiet and mend fences wih the rest of the world? None of this gets talked about. We're too busy worrying about whether some documents are legitimate or whether kerry got injured by a bullet or shrapnel.

We live in a time when our Republic is teetering, where men who would use war and security as an excuse to retain power. This has happened before to a Republic, with not so good results: Hello, Rome?

This election is our chance to right the ship, before the man who would turn the US into a puritan uptopia, destroys everything his very party worked for.

Peace, out.

[Logic]

Originally posted by MacGorilla:
Dante said that the hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who in time of crisis remain neutral........ snipped rest of post for brevity......

We Swedes are going straight to the hottest place in Hell!

But for the rest of your post

[CreepingDeth]

Not a fan of a real republic, are you?

Here is the condensed version:
9/11 is Bush's fault
the CIA is Bush's fault
FBI is Bush's fault
Bush lied
Bush lied
Did I mention he lied?
We stopped Afghanistan to go to Iraq
All the troops disappeared form Afghanistan in March into�poof�thin air
Religious people= fanatics
All Republicans are greedy
Every Republican supports hatch
Every Republican has an AK-47 on order
Missile defense=bad
Government healthcare=good
Even though they have access, it still isn't provided
Minimum wage hike=uh�more jobs!
The deficit is teh evilness
Let's mend the fences of the socialists in Europe
Rather doesn't matter
Even though alot of people hate Bush more for the war (or the other way around), it somehow keeps them in power
Bush is teh evil puritan!
Teh Republicans are the evil too
Oh yeah, Bush is a conservative from mainstream Republicans like Rockafeller
And did I also say Bush is a puppet of a shadowy neocon cabal?

Good one.

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Good one.

Agreed. It was good.

[PacHead]

Originally posted by AKcrab:
Agreed. It was good.

It was good, except for one small inaccuracy. Republicans would probably not be using AK-47's. That is the weapon of choice for terrorists, leftists, dictators and other questionable people.

[CreepingDeth]

Originally posted by PacHead:
It was good, except for one small inaccuracy. Republicans would probably not be using AK-47's. That is the weapon of choice for terrorists, leftists, dictators and other questionable people.

Weapons? Why not just use love in fighting islamofascism?

[ironknee]

Originally posted by PacHead:
It was good, except for one small inaccuracy. Republicans would probably not be using AK-47's. That is the weapon of choice for terrorists, leftists, dictators and other questionable people.

didn't the assult wepons band just expired without any attention from Jr.?

[CreepingDeth]

Good thing, too. It was pointless. Why not ban pistols? A good shot from a pistol does more than someone who uses an gun banned under the "assault weapons" ban who can't even control the damn thing.

[constrictor]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:

Not a fan of a real republic, are you?

Here is the condensed version:
9/11 is Bush's fault
the CIA is Bush's fault
FBI is Bush's fault
Bush lied
Bush lied
Did I mention he lied?
We stopped Afghanistan to go to Iraq
All the troops disappeared form Afghanistan in March into�poof�thin air
Religious people= fanatics
All Republicans are greedy
Every Republican supports hatch
Every Republican has an AK-47 on order
Missile defense=bad
Government healthcare=good
Even though they have access, it still isn't provided
Minimum wage hike=uh�more jobs!
The deficit is teh evilness
Let's mend the fences of the socialists in Europe
Rather doesn't matter
Even though alot of people hate Bush more for the war (or the other way around), it somehow keeps them in power
Bush is teh evil puritan!
Teh Republicans are the evil too
Oh yeah, Bush is a conservative from mainstream Republicans like Rockafeller
And did I also say Bush is a puppet of a shadowy neocon cabal?

Good one.

I'll do you one better. Here's the condensed version of Bush's republic:

"Nothing is ever my fault. I am faultless. I have never made a mistake. The blame for the mistakes made by those who work under me lies with them...or maybe it doesn't. Everything that has gone wrong is either the fault of the previous administration, or some other Democratic administration of the past. Did I mention I'm faultless? To never, ever be wrong: that's strong leadership."

[ironknee]

Originally posted by constrictor:
I'll do you one better. Here's the condensed version of Bush's republic:

"Nothing is ever my fault. I am faultless. I have never made a mistake. The blame for the mistakes made by those who work under me lies with them...or maybe it doesn't. Everything that has gone wrong is either the fault of the previous administration, or some other Democratic administration of the past. Did I mention I'm faultless? To never, ever be wrong: that's strong leadership."

good...very good

here's one more iteration:

"war is good
freedom is slavery
ignorance is strength

and besides, he tried to kill my dad."

[ironknee]

Originally posted by CreepingDeath:
Good thing, too. It was pointless. Why not ban pistols? A good shot from a pistol does more than someone who uses an gun banned under the "assault weapons" ban who can't even control the damn thing.

so if AK-47's are "the weapon of choice for terrorists, leftists, dictators and other questionable people" as pachead said,

how do they control the guns? maybe living with AK-47's 24 hours a day?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally posted by ironknee:
so if AK-47's are "the weapon of choice for terrorists, leftists, dictators and other questionable people" as pachead said,

how do they control the guns? maybe living with AK-47's 24 hours a day?

Heh. The whole idea of �gun control� is purely a luxury of the west. All over the third world, you may have great trouble finding food for sale anywhere, but you can readily get AK-47s, rocket launchers, grenades, and every other imaginable type of weapon dirt cheap, sold from open air markets.