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Attention skeptics: the 15" ProBook is available with optional matte screen
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Aug 11, 2009, 11:09 AM
 
If you want your 15" ProBook with a matte screen, you can pay $50 extra. I don't want to stir up an old discussion here, but now everyone can get the config (s)he prefers. Choice is good
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Aug 11, 2009, 11:12 AM
 
Yep, as of today.

For an extra $50 people can now order their 15" MBPs with a matte screen.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/hom...ly/macbook_pro

     
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Aug 11, 2009, 11:14 AM
 
Oops. Looks like Oreo just beat me to it.
     
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Aug 11, 2009, 12:10 PM
 
What thread?
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
What thread?
Hehe. Three cheers for the thread merging magic.

That said, my thread title was half a long as yours and still twice as good.
     
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Aug 11, 2009, 02:11 PM
 
c'mon apple...now add the option to the 13"...
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Aug 11, 2009, 02:36 PM
 
Bravo, Apple. What took you so long?

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Aug 11, 2009, 02:59 PM
 
Yeah, 13" can't be too far behind.
     
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Originally Posted by Brien View Post
Yeah, 13" can't be too far behind.
hmmm...when i see it i'll believe it...
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Aug 11, 2009, 11:23 PM
 
Could it be that sanity will finally rule the Apple Marketplace? I'm in shock, in total shock!
     
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Aug 12, 2009, 02:32 AM
 
Sanity in the Apple Marketplace? OMG. EC/34 is coming back, we'll get eSATA, and a consumer headless desktop is on its way. Yikes.
     
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Aug 12, 2009, 04:26 AM
 
Well, this is the second `happens as soon as hell freezes over' (first one was the return of FireWire to the 13" model) … so it's not that unlikely, Simon
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Aug 13, 2009, 10:36 AM
 
It would be interesting to see the quality of matte displays these days. I dont think many, or any laptop has them anymore...

Anyone know what the 17" matte display is like?
     
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Aug 13, 2009, 10:44 AM
 
It's the same as the glossy display with slightly reduced gamut and contrast due to the extra layers of diffusor films.
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Aug 13, 2009, 12:31 PM
 
Plus you get back the old Al bezel around the screen instead of a solid sheet of glass. That means matte buyers again get that nasty groove between bezel edge and screen that's perfect for trapping dust and dirt. The glass panel OTOH is very easy to clean.

Even if you prefer matte over glossy, that's clearly a disadvantage you'll have to live with.
     
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie View Post
Well, this is the second `happens as soon as hell freezes over' (first one was the return of FireWire to the 13" model) … so it's not that unlikely, Simon
This seems to be the year of Apple backtracking on dumb decisions. Unfortunately, they seem to balance each one out with a new dumb decision to keep the tally even.

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Aug 14, 2009, 04:02 AM
 
This is great news! I really prefer the Al bezel too. Come on, Apple, give us the same option on the 13". They already make this bezel for the MBA, the matte screen part should be easy.
     
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Aug 18, 2009, 11:11 PM
 
I always thought that I would want glossy for my next MBP, but after seeing the matte on a 17" in the Apple store, I might have to change my mind.

It does look like someone just took the glass off. It seems kinda naked.
     
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Aug 19, 2009, 01:58 AM
 
Well, it's a bit lighter with the matte option too. Though I don't know why the don't make the bezel black or the seals rubber to make it match...

I've said it before: these glass screens are a dream to clean.
     
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Originally Posted by CharlesS View Post
This seems to be the year of Apple backtracking on dumb decisions. Unfortunately, they seem to balance each one out with a new dumb decision to keep the tally even.
Heh.

I do believe that the glossy screens were a good decision. They're only adding the matte back because the people who absolutely refuse to deal are among the most vocal on the net, not because the matte has more real-world advantages than disadvantages (it doesn't).

These are the same people who haunted the internets for years after the switch to OS X to tell us all about how it was inferior to OS 9 because they could no longer manually assign RAM to their Photoshop.

But hey, if the self-proclaimed "core market" is willing to pony up extra for a display that's unusable in sunlight, why not?
     
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I do believe that the glossy screens were a good decision. They're only adding the matte back because the people who absolutely refuse to deal are among the most vocal on the net, not because the matte has more real-world advantages than disadvantages (it doesn't).
The glossy screens weren't the dumb decision, the dumb decision was making them the only option on a lineup of $2000+ machines.

The matte doesn't have more real-world advantages than disadvantages, but it does have different advantages and disadvantages. I've got a MBP with a glossy screen, and it's not unusable by any means. It is really nice and easy to clean, and it is quite nice-looking for a laptop screen, but it's also pretty annoying to try to use it in a room with fluorescent lighting, or in a room with an open window. I usually end up shutting the blinds and turning off all the lights in order to get rid of the reflections, something I never used to do with my old mattebook. If I bought my MBP today, I'd probably go for the matte. But it all depends on personal taste.

I do find it amusing how the proponents of matte and glossy screens both like to claim the other is unusable outdoors, though.

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I do find it amusing how the proponents of matte and glossy screens both like to claim the other is unusable outdoors, though.
QFT.

The entire discussion is highly irrational on both sides of the aisle. It's much more a religious debate than anything else. IMHO there's no better or worse. Both have their advantages and disadvantages. In the end it all boils down to personal preference. You should buy what you like best. Don't believe anyone who claims one is objectively better than the other. Ignore the self-procalimed 'graphics/media professionals' (of which there are millions, at least in forums). And most importantly, don't believe anyone who claims you can only get work xyz done with screen uvw. That's all baloney. Get what you like best. Everything else is irrelevant.
     
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Aug 19, 2009, 08:02 AM
 
Very good point.
Since glass is easier to clean (and to me, at least, the black bezel looks very sleek), my next ProBook will have a glassy display. I hate dust on my display and dust in the corners which is almost impossible to clean. Plus, there are still faint key impressions :hmmm:
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Originally Posted by CharlesS View Post
The glossy screens weren't the dumb decision, the dumb decision was making them the only option on a lineup of $2000+ machines.
Agreed.

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The matte doesn't have more real-world advantages than disadvantages, but it does have different advantages and disadvantages.
That's what I (meant to have) said.

Originally Posted by CharlesS View Post
I do find it amusing how the proponents of matte and glossy screens both like to claim the other is unusable outdoors, though.
I said "sunlight", not "outdoors".

The real professionals I've met choose their tools based on what's available, use them to their best advantage, and deal with the shortcomings until they're worn out or written off and a new set of trade-offs arises.
     
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Aug 21, 2009, 11:45 AM
 
Can't help but wonder if this matte option was developed while Steve was out on sick leave...
     
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Quick, let's do it while Steve isn't looking!
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Was Steve in the hospital when Firewire came back?
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olePigeon, I enjoy your signature.

To keep this OT, I agree with the "buy what's best for you" posters.

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Aug 29, 2009, 03:21 PM
 
Yep, this is nice. I do prefer the matte screen. I think they even look better with aluminium finish around the screen. This means I can now upgrade my MacBook Pro again when I need to, which is a good thing™. Everyone is happy again. (except that we have to pay extra to get the matte screen).

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Aug 29, 2009, 03:57 PM
 
i really hope we see this option on the next 13"...i'll be ready for a new mbp then, and, while i've gotten used to my current glossy screen, still prefer the matte...c'mon apple!
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I'll have my matte screen 15in on tuesday. I'm pretty pumped.
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Originally Posted by sogbrightlight View Post
I'll have my matte screen 15in on tuesday. I'm pretty pumped.
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Aug 31, 2009, 01:14 PM
 
So I just got my Macbook Pro matte screen a day early! Hell yes! This screen is great looking. After seeing the silver bezel in person I actually prefer it over the black border. The black border on the glossy model tends to reflect everything and it moves my eyes away from the screen quite a bit. I like how this looks. Very clean.

Installing Snow Leopard now. I'll be post more as I mess with illustrator.
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Here's a picture so you can see the difference (assuming hotlink works)

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olePigeon, I enjoy your signature.
Grew up on PHC, one of my favorite shows.
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Originally Posted by olePigeon View Post
Here's a picture so you can see the difference (assuming hotlink works)

This is pointless, you should compare the two when both screens are switched on and set to a realistic brightness level.
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Even then, it's pointless.

We made a test video recently with one of those new-fangled Canon DV cam thingies, and the glossy effect on the 24" iMac is MUCH more pronounced on the video than it was in real life - you could even see the contrast, white balance, and exposure working on the little preview screen to make the reflections as visible as possible without compromising on the screen image. It was quite amazing.
     
   
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