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gorickey · Mar 2, 2003, 01:37 PM

Well, I was told to check out a new Mac site over this last week and to my pleasant surprise find it to be quite nice indeed.

http://www.4osx.com

The actual forum software is amazing, I've never seen so many options. The community is growing strong (a little over 400 in less then a month) and just offers a fresh new "taste"....

Being a long time MacNN forum member, I recommend this site; however, not as a total replacement for MacNN, that will NEVER happen.

What do you guys think?

Dale Sorel · Mar 2, 2003, 02:14 PM

4 OS X was one place where (allegedly) you could download v62

foobars · Mar 2, 2003, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by Dale Sorel:
4 OS X was one place where (allegedly) you could download v62

http://www.4osx.com/forum/index.php?...s&CODE=02&id=1

These guys need to get thier ass sued.

mishap · Mar 2, 2003, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by foobars:
http://www.4osx.com/forum/index.php?...s&CODE=02&id=1

These guys need to get thier ass sued.

lol. nice.

gorickey · 02:49 PM

Originally posted by foobars:

These guys need to get thier ass sued.

So does half the internet then.

Plus, seeing that it's open source, freely distributed, and freeware...I see no harm.

JB72 · Mar 2, 2003, 03:19 PM

It's a "real contender" for sure.

j/k looks like a nice clean site.

oscar · Mar 2, 2003, 03:24 PM

Apple uses the Khtml engine, ehich is the only part of safari that is open source, the glue, and osx exacutable are not.

torifile · Mar 2, 2003, 05:37 PM

Originally posted by oscar:
Apple uses the Khtml engine, ehich is the only part of safari that is open source, the glue, and osx exacutable are not.

Does this damn piracy arguement have to come up in every thread? Can't we just restrict that discussion to the billion of threads that come up when OS X updates get released in the wild?

As far as the site in question, it seems pretty good. Maybe too complicated (and it seems a little XP-ish for my tastes). I'll peek over there now and then to see what's happening, though.

gorickey · Mar 2, 2003, 05:46 PM

Originally posted by torifile:
Does this damn piracy arguement have to come up in every thread? Can't we just restrict that discussion to the billion of threads that come up when OS X updates get released in the wild?

As far as the site in question, it seems pretty good. Maybe too complicated (and it seems a little XP-ish for my tastes). I'll peek over there now and then to see what's happening, though.

Cool.

Fallout · Mar 2, 2003, 06:23 PM

Originally posted by foobars:
http://www.4osx.com/forum/index.php?...s&CODE=02&id=1

These guys need to get thier ass sued.

*points and laughs*

Diggory Laycock · Mar 2, 2003, 06:38 PM

Wow that site has an irritating "feature"

I like opening certain links into a new window behind the current window - no need for tabs here!

4OSX.com seems to dislike this - and when I do it - both the new window and the old window load to the new address.

Why do people try and muck around with the basic rules of browsing?

-wits

gorickey · Mar 2, 2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by Diggory Laycock:
Wow that site has an irritating "feature"

I like opening certain links into a new window behind the current window - no need for tabs here!

4OSX.com seems to dislike this - and when I do it - both the new window and the old window load to the new address.

Why do people try and muck around with the basic rules of browsing? -wits

I wonder what the "Suggestions/Comments" forum on 4OSX.com is for? Any idea?

ambush · Mar 2, 2003, 10:22 PM

I can't believe someone posted 62 on a public web site

foobars · Mar 2, 2003, 11:07 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I wonder what the "Suggestions/Comments" forum on 4OSX.com is for? Any idea?

Why are you so adamant about promoting this site? I think it's pretty obvious it's not a "real contender" against anyone especially MacNN.

Posting pre-release copyrighted will get them the wrong kind of attention very fast. Other than that I dont think they have much to offer.

Diggory Laycock · Mar 2, 2003, 11:14 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I wonder what the "Suggestions/Comments" forum on 4OSX.com is for? Any idea?

couldn't be bothered - not going back anyway.

gorickey · Mar 3, 2003, 01:04 AM

Originally posted by foobars:
Why are you so adamant about promoting this site? I think it's pretty obvious it's not a "real contender" against anyone especially MacNN.

I think I made that clear as well; however, it's a new Mac site and we are ALL on the same side here people.

Don't like it? Don't use it. Simple. I wasn't asking anymore then to check it out is all.

sniffer · Mar 3, 2003, 04:45 AM

Seems like a nice site to me. But I hope they do something about that horrible luna theme.

clebin · Mar 3, 2003, 08:50 AM

Some people will argue about anything...

TC · Mar 3, 2003, 09:43 AM

Originally posted by sniffer:
Seems like a nice site to me. But I hope they do something about that horrible luna theme.

They've just been lazy and used the standard invisionboard skin.
The content of the site looks pretty good, but the design sucks. I like the way the MacNN forums get out of your face design wise. That new checkbook advert is a bit annoying though.

ambush · Mar 3, 2003, 10:38 AM

Looks like "a new spymac community" to me.

[APi]TheMan · Mar 3, 2003, 02:43 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
The actual forum software is amazing, I've never seen so many options. The community is growing strong (a little over 400 in less then a month) and just offers a fresh new "taste"....

Hehe, maybe because you can't download that Safari v62 without registering?

Honestly, though, I'll take a look at this site.

gorickey · Mar 3, 2003, 03:24 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
Looks like "a new spymac community" to me.

But without the kickass free e-mail...

Superchicken · Mar 3, 2003, 10:14 PM

This is a notice to ALL NON-POSTING MEMBERS: If you have registered solely to download software and do not post within ONE DAY, your account will be BANNED. Banned users are unable to re-register and will be forever forbidden from downloading any software from this site. We do not tolerate leechers and would like at least one post out of every member, even if it's a word of thanks. Remember, if you're banned, you won't be able to benefit from any new or current software that we release!

in the past year+ that ClayShaker the site I run has been up we've probably had about 500 members... acctually more but whatever... members mean nothing though because tons of forums have tons of names that never post.
As for the quote... the software that THEY release? Hmm... wonder what they release.... aside from apple's unreleased work

iRebound · Mar 3, 2003, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Superchic[k]en:
in the past year+ that ClayShaker the site I run has been up we've probably had about 500 members... acctually more but whatever... members mean nothing though because tons of forums have tons of names that never post.
As for the quote... the software that THEY release? Hmm... wonder what they release.... aside from apple's unreleased work

yea, after reading that makes me mad

eno · Mar 4, 2003, 08:37 AM

Yeah, I'd like to see this f-wits go down.

Hosting unreleased software is under NDA is just not on.

And the "stories" on the front page are just a joke.

sbjordal · Mar 4, 2003, 09:53 AM

Originally posted by foobars:
http://www.4osx.com/forum/index.php?...s&CODE=02&id=1

These guys need to get thier ass sued.

and posting the direct link helps in what way

Mrjinglesusa · Mar 4, 2003, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by foobars:
Why are you so adamant about promoting this site? I think it's pretty obvious it's not a "real contender" against anyone especially MacNN.

Posting pre-release copyrighted will get them the wrong kind of attention very fast. Other than that I dont think they have much to offer.

Because he was made a moderator there and now wants THE POWER!

gorickey · Mar 4, 2003, 02:23 PM

Originally posted by Mrjinglesusa:
Because he was made a moderator there and now wants THE POWER!

I was? I would check that again buckshot.

Mrjinglesusa · Mar 4, 2003, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by gorickey:
I was? I would check that again buckshot.

Buckshot here.

My bad - I guess you told them you were interested and I thought they got back to you. Maybe next time...

maxelson · Mar 5, 2003, 10:53 AM

Max'-) ain't me. Just wanna be clear.

iMike_4OSX · Mar 7, 2003, 06:38 PM

Mods, please close or delete this topic. It seems we've gotten off on a bad start and things are quickly going from bad to worse here.

We've removed our unreleased software, to prevent any people who think it's a "gimmick".

If you have anything good to say, you can start a new topic or something, as I don't think the goal of 4 OS X has been clearly explained here.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

pliny · Mar 7, 2003, 07:16 PM

Originally posted by 4OSX.com:

This is a notice to ALL NON-POSTING MEMBERS: If you have registered solely to download software and do not post within ONE DAY, your account will be BANNED. Banned users are unable to re-register and will be forever forbidden from downloading any software from this site. We do not tolerate leechers and would like at least one post out of every member, even if it's a word of thanks. Remember, if you're banned, you won't be able to benefit from any new or current software that we release!

I think in the main that new Apple sites are good. I also think that hosting or linking to released or otherwise okayed software, is fine too. Additionally, urging people to post, etc., is also fine.

However. The idea that someone is a "leecher" for downloading software from someone WHO DID NOT IN THE FIRST PLACE DESIGN OR OTHERWISE PLAY ANY ROLE IN CREATING THE SOFTWARE, is absurd, and creating conditions for doing so is unsupportable except through reference to greed, because in doing so you are profiting from someone else's work, which is a step beyond simply allowing others to look-see it. This kind of attitude is especially indefensible in regards to open source component software. If you don't want people to download software you (rightly or wrongly) host, don't host it.

Other than this the site looks fine, based on the short time I visited it.

Xeo · Mar 7, 2003, 07:17 PM

Originally posted by iMike_4OSX:
Mods, please close or delete this topic. It seems we've gotten off on a bad start and things are quickly going from bad to worse here.

We've removed our unreleased software, to prevent any people who think it's a "gimmick".

If you have anything good to say, you can start a new topic or something, as I don't think the goal of 4 OS X has been clearly explained here.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Well, I'm not going to delete this topic. But I will move it because it's not OS X related.

Mithras · Mar 7, 2003, 07:58 PM

I wasn't impressed by their behavior at all.

I went over there, posted a very polite note asking them to reconsider their claim that since 'Safari is GPL' it was fine to post it for download.

My post was deleted.

I asked why it was deleted, and our pal iMike said he removed it because as far as he was concerned, it was OK to post Safari betas, and he didn't want people to discuss the legality of it.

Not to be smug, but an Apple letter later, I guess he sees the flip side of the legal argument.

As for promoting a pro-speech, open-discussion environment, we'll see.

I'd prefer to just let this one wither away.

gorickey · Mar 8, 2003, 02:27 AM

Unfortunately iMike learned the hard way; however, for a 16-year old kid, this site is pretty amazing for what he has done. I give him that.

joe_kr · Mar 8, 2003, 02:51 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
Unfortunately iMike learned the hard way; however, for a 16-year old kid, this site is pretty amazing for what he has done. I give him that.

It's not that "amazing" to be able to install software and post pirated software.

gorickey · Mar 8, 2003, 02:54 AM

Originally posted by joe_kr:
It's not that "amazing" to be able to install software and post pirated software.

We'll see what v2.0 of the site brings and see what you have to say. It sure isn't something I could have done at that age...and I doubt you could have either or everybody would.

tintub · 07:57 AM

I got the link for b62 from Dave Hyatt's blog. It was hardly that secret. It was slashdotted FFS.

edit: and from 4OSX I got the link for b64. What's in b64 that isn't in b62?

MindFad · Mar 8, 2003, 10:08 AM

Originally posted by tintub:
I got the link for b62 from Dave Hyatt's blog. It was hardly that secret. It was slashdotted FFS.

edit: and from 4OSX I got the link for b64. What's in b64 that isn't in b62?

OK, where are the tabs everyone's getting a hard-on over? I don't see them.

pliny · Mar 8, 2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by gorickey:
We'll see what v2.0 of the site brings and see what you have to say. It sure isn't something I could have done at that age...and I doubt you could have either or everybody would.

Why are you so hopped up about the site?

scaught · Mar 8, 2003, 11:37 AM

Originally posted by MindFad:
OK, where are the tabs everyone's getting a hard-on over? I don't see them.

you need to unlock them with the debug menu.

open that by typing this into the terminal

Code:
defaults write com.apple.Safari IncludeDebugMenu 1

MindFad · Mar 8, 2003, 12:51 PM

I thought you were afraid of the Terminal, scuaght.

Thanks, it's working now. Very cool.

ambush · Mar 8, 2003, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by tintub:
I got the link for b62 from Dave Hyatt's blog. It was hardly that secret. It was slashdotted FFS.

edit: and from 4OSX I got the link for b64. What's in b64 that isn't in b62?

Uh? Dave posted v62 on his site?

ambush · Mar 8, 2003, 01:16 PM

Hehe 4osx.com is so lame. Like 3/4 of its 1000 members only registered to download v64/v62. Now that Apple has threatened, them everyone will forget this site

tintub · Mar 8, 2003, 11:52 PM

Originally posted by ambush:
Uh? Dave posted v62 on his site?

there were links posted in the comments of his blog, which he didn't bother to remove AFAIK.