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NewsPoster Sep 17, 2012 03:53 AM
Andy Rubin continues war of words over Aliyun OS
Google's Andy Rubin has <a href="http://macnn.com/rd/268053==https://plus.google.com/112599748506977857728/posts/hRcCi5xgayg" rel='nofollow'>issued a further statement</a> in the company's ongoing war of words with Alibaba VP John Spelich. Spelich was moved to defend the Aliyun OS, arguing that it was not a fork of Google's Android OS after <a href="http://macnn.com/rd/268054==http://www.electronista.com/articles/12/09/15/aliyun.said.to.contain.android.runtime.violate.oha .rules/" rel='nofollow'>Google forced OHA partner Asus</a> to drop plans for a phone running the Aliyun OS. However, Rubin has retorted, "there's really no disputing that Aliyun is based on the Android platform."<br><br>Rubin used his Google+ account to make the following statement:

"Hey John Spelich -- We agree that the Aliyun OS is not part of the Android ecosystem and you're under no requirement to be compatible.

"However, the fact is, Aliyun uses the Android runtime, framework and tools. And your app store contains Android apps (including pirated Google apps). So there's really no disputing that Aliyun is based on the Android platform and takes advantage of all the hard work that's gone into that platform by the OHA.

"So if you want to benefit from the Android ecosystem, then make the choice to be compatible. Its easy, free, and we'll even help you out. But if you don't want to be compatible, then don't expect help from OHA members that are all working to support and build a unified Android ecosystem."

Google asked Asus to pull its planned Aliyun OS handset as it believed that this would put in violation of its agreement with the Open Handset Alliance. As a signed member of the alliance, according to Google, Asus has an obligation not to support devices that run a forked version of Android as they do not contribute to the overall growth and development of the Android ecosystem. This differs from the position that Amazon has adopted running a forked version of the Android OS, but on Kindle Fire devices that it manufacturers for itself.

Although it appears that Google has taken a stance contrary to its stance of 'openness,' it could not afford to overlook Acer's move. As Alibaba is by far the most dominant search engine in China, Android has the largest market share of any OS in the country. A competing operating system produced by Alibaba running on a device made by an OHA partner would set an unpalatable precedent for the Mountain View search giant.

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kerryb Sep 17, 2012 06:29 AM
Can he hear the very words he is writing? How dare another company "steal" what Google stole from someone else? The irony is unbelievable.
 
gprovida Sep 17, 2012 07:29 AM
Check out Foss Patents, the irony between Google and its IP versus Apple, MS, Oracle, etc. is mind blowing.
 
SockRolid Sep 17, 2012 08:40 AM
Just wait 'till Rubin hears about Tizen. It's backed by the Linux foundation, and its not-for-profit consortium's Board of Directors is composed of Huawei, Intel, NEC, NTT DOCOMO, Orange, Panasonic, Samsung, SK Telecom, Sprint, Telefonica and Vodafone.

And, unlike Android, Tizen is truly free and truly open source.

Some people say "open always wins." Your mileage may vary, Rubin.
 
LenE Sep 17, 2012 10:16 AM
Rubin is such a loose cannon, that he may be the best asset to any company litigating against Android. That part of the Miranda warning about "anything you say, can and will be used against you" goes double for civil cases. He loves to throw stuff out on Google+ or Twitter, before all of the restraint synapses fire. The appeal for the Oracle Java suit against Google/Android is just getting started, and you can be sure that this will be discovered into the appeals record.
 
chefpastry Sep 17, 2012 10:46 AM
Karma
 
testudo Sep 17, 2012 11:14 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by kerryb (Post 4191112)
Can he hear the very words he is writing? How dare another company "steal" what Google stole from someone else? The irony is unbelievable.
He's not saying they 'stole' from Android, he's calling them out for saying they aren't running android when they are.

Oh, right, you can't look at things correctly, since you have such hatred for google since you feel they stole everything from Apple.
 
testudo Sep 17, 2012 11:17 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by LenE (Post 4191147)
The appeal for the Oracle Java suit against Google/Android is just getting started, and you can be sure that this will be discovered into the appeals record.
Um, it's on Google+. You don't need discovery to find this.

And what part about it will rock Google's foundation in the appeal? At best, this sounds more like ammunition for Oracle to go after the Aliyun OS.
 
testudo Sep 17, 2012 11:26 AM
Quote, Originally Posted by SockRolid (Post 4191131)
Just wait 'till Rubin hears about Tizen.
Um, I'm sure he's heard about it.

Quote
It's backed by the Linux foundation, and its not-for-profit consortium's Board of Directors is composed of Huawei, Intel, NEC, NTT DOCOMO, Orange, Panasonic, Samsung, SK Telecom, Sprint, Telefonica and Vodafone.
Oooh, samsung is on the board? They're really reputable, right! And Intel sure won't have any conflicts of interest as they try to drive the software, I'm sure.

Oh, and at least it has the Linux foundation behind it. The geniuses who can't even decide on a GUI framework (we need two!), because they don't want to be seen as telling people what to do.

And also the geniuses who wait four years to come out with a major update to a kernel, and then issue it with a maintenance release number.

And they've done so well pushing linux to the desktop and standardizing on that, too.

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And, unlike Android, Tizen is truly free and truly open source.

Some people say "open always wins." Your mileage may vary, Rubin.
So are you trying to say Android is screwed because they'll be conquered by the open tizen (which, in turn, will then crush the iOS, apparently)? Or that no open software can win, so tizen will lose as bad as Android.

What's hillarious is how everyone always touts the iOS as being great because it is controlled by Apple, and therefore it has direction and focus and all that. And then they mock Google for trying to put direction and focus on Android. Make up your minds.
 
Charles Martin Sep 17, 2012 03:17 PM
Trolltudo, is English not your first language? That would explain much about your incredibly poor reading comprehension and inability to use logic (or, for that matter, facts).

He's saying that Aliyun STOLE parts of Android and are calling it their own OS.

And yes, the irony is delicious.
 
testudo Sep 17, 2012 03:34 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by chas_m (Post 4191224)
Trolltudo, is English not your first language? That would explain much about your incredibly poor reading comprehension and inability to use logic (or, for that matter, facts).
He's saying that Aliyun STOLE parts of Android and are calling it their own OS.
Well, then show me where in his statement is he accusing them of 'stealing' parts of android and calling it their own. That's like saying I stole Linux to make testudoix. I can sit around all day denying it's based on linux, and the linux herd can mock me all they want for pretending it isn't it, but as long as I don't violate the license, I'm not stealing a blasted thing. BTW, the only difference between them and amazon's use is that amazon admits it.

But I guess it all depends on your definition of 'theft'.

And I know it doesn't matter, for since you 'know' google stole everything they could from apple to make android, then google is the enemy now, along with samsung, microsoft, oracle, sun, intuit, toshiba, etc, etc, etc, etc. And Google's crimes were so heinous, that is why Apple is suing them. Oh, wait, they aren't.
 
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