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NewsPoster Apr 4, 2013 11:20 AM
DEA upset by inability to intercept Apple iMessage content
The US Drug Enforcement Administration is complaining that it can't intercept content on Apple's iMessage service, even with a warrant, according to an internal note obtained by <em>CNet</em>. "On February 21, 2013, the DEA San Jose Resident Office (SJRO) learned that text messages sent via iMessages between Apple products (iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, and iMac) are not captured by pen register, trap and trace devices, or Title III interceptions," the DEA <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57577887-38/apples-imessage-encryption-trips-up-feds-surveillance/">writes</a>. "iMessages between two Apple devices are considered encrypted communication and cannot be intercepted, regardless of the cell phone service provider."<br /><br />The agency does say that if a message ends up being delivered via SMS it becomes easier to obtain, but cautions that this "seems to be more successful if the intercept is placed on the non-Apple device." DEA officials are said to have first learned about issues with iMessage when a surveillance effort under the Federal Wiretap Act didn't net all of the target's text messages. Further investigation revealed that the person was using iMessage, which was skipping the need for sending texts through the person's carrier, Verizon.<br />
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The news could be a boon for both criminals and average people concerned about avoiding government snooping. iMessage is, however, limited to running on Macs and iOS devices; the only way people who don't use the service can interact is via phone texting.
 
Flying Meat Apr 4, 2013 11:40 AM
Seems fair.
I guess I fall into the second category, "people concerned" with government snooping. I doubt they can't intercept and decrypt the messages though. I imagine they just want Apple to make it easier for them. :P
 
Geoduck Apr 4, 2013 11:55 AM
But...
according to the BlackBerry users I know BlackBerry is the only secure phone. Only BB messages etc. cannot be intercepted. Only BB is secure. It's why BB with BB-10 will take over the world inside 12 months.

LOL
 
Bobfozz Apr 4, 2013 12:35 PM
DEA
your comment
 
Grendelmon Apr 4, 2013 01:17 PM
When you use iOS...
You're supporting terrorism.
 
WiseWeasel Apr 4, 2013 01:19 PM
Won't
Won't someone think of the children?
 
Sebastien Apr 4, 2013 02:41 PM
I hope the DEA realizes....
that nobody cares what they think.
 
Grendelmon Apr 4, 2013 04:40 PM
Sigh...
Quote, Originally Posted by Geoduck (Post 4224746)
according to the BlackBerry users I know BlackBerry is the only secure phone. Only BB messages etc. cannot be intercepted. Only BB is secure. It's why BB with BB-10 will take over the world inside 12 months.

LOL
BB encrypts everything that is communicated to the device, including SMS messages. In iOS, only Apple device communications (iMessages) are encrypted. If an iPhone texts back and fourth to an Android or dumb phone, they are not encrypted. BlackBerries are thus (still) more secure than any other device in the consumer market, including iOS.

Did you even read the article?
 
Spheric Harlot Apr 4, 2013 06:55 PM
Quote, Originally Posted by Grendelmon (Post 4224806)
BB encrypts everything that is communicated to the device, including SMS messages. In iOS, only Apple device communications (iMessages) are encrypted. If an iPhone texts back and fourth to an Android or dumb phone, they are not encrypted. BlackBerries are thus (still) more secure than any other device in the consumer market, including iOS.
How can BlackBerry encrypt SMS messages? The SMS protocol is run by the provider, not the phone manufacturer. iMessage is secure simply because it is NOT SMS, and runs through Apple's own back-end servers. The second a message is transmitted as an SMS, it is unencrypted and runs through public protocols — this is the case for every messaging service out there, including BlackBerry's.

Only messaging from BlackBerry to BlackBerry runs through RIM's servers and remains encrypted, same as iMessage.

I think one source of confusion is that BB encrypts all data stored on the phone itself, including the SMS archive, no?
 
Geoduck Apr 4, 2013 07:05 PM
comment title
Grendelmon
Time to replace the battery in your sarcasm-aid?
 
Grendelmon Apr 4, 2013 09:42 PM
Doh
Quote, Originally Posted by Spheric Harlot (Post 4224838)
Only messaging from BlackBerry to BlackBerry runs through RIM's servers and remains encrypted, same as iMessage.

I think one source of confusion is that BB encrypts all data stored on the phone itself, including the SMS archive, no?
Actually, I stand corrected. You're right that SMS isn't encrypted. I was thinking that they passed those through the enterprise servers, but they don't. In fact, it doesn't appear that they encrypt any SMS messages at all, even BB to BB.

Page 24:
http://docs.blackberry.com/en/admin/..._5_0_0_STO.pdf

We use them at my workplace and the data connections are always behind our firewall... I was thinking SMS did the same.
 
hayesk Apr 4, 2013 09:51 PM
Complaining?
Was it complaining or just statement of fact?
 
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