[mitchell_pgh]

Apparently Adobe is discontinuing Framemaker for the Mac.

My question is: Who cares?

[philzilla]

Originally posted by mitchell_pgh:
My question is: Who cares?

evidently, you do.

[hmurchison2001]

Well most of the poor Mac users holding out for a decent upgrade.

You know. Being that software is just not important to companies..being that they can't see the value in it. Then I must admit that I cannot see the value. I shall pirate all my future software. Until no app is left behind...until no app is orphaned.

[voodoo]

WTF is Framemaker?

[ryju]

I've never even heard of it...can't say I'll miss it.

[wdlove]

I'm not using Framemaker, nor do I really know what the program is about. So I won't really miss it if it's gone.

[MindFad]

Originally posted by voodoo:
WTF is Framemaker?

This was going to be my question.

FrameMaker is an excellent app and it's pretty sad to see it go because there is no alternative out there.

It's a long document processor.

Imagine Microsoft Word, but
- all of the useless features ripped out of it
- indexing, automatic numbering, cross-referencing, table of content generation, etc. that actually works, and works really well
- you can combine several files into one "book" with all of the numbering, etc. in tact.
- it can be scripted to automatically put together books, indexes, etc.
- it enforces document structure through required paragraph styles. You can be really strict about it or not at all
- it "verifies" your document for proper styles and structure

I've used it for technical documents at work for a couple of years. It can handle 1000+ page docs without breaking a sweat. I moved to a new department where some idiot thought that MS Word was up to the task. It isn't. I miss FrameMaker.

[voodoo]

Adobe made a wordprocessor??



Stupid of them!

[voodoo]

Seriously, what was it? Not a WP called Framemaker? I mean..

[mitchell_pgh]

This guy http://www.internet-nexus.com/2004_03_21_archive.htm

which drives me crazy because all he posts is anti-mac articles...

Ugh...

[CharlesS]

^ That sounds like a nice app. I wonder if the reason it didn't sell as well as Adobe would have liked was because of the name. FrameMaker does not sound like the name of a word processor. It sounds more like a video editing app of some sort, and in that market people tend to think of Premiere first.

[voodoo]

Paul Thurrot writes:
"Adobe Discontinues FrameMaker for Macintosh
Thanks Claudio. Creative Pro is reporting that Adobe is discontinuing its Framemaker application on the Mac, but continuing development of the Windows and (ahem) Solaris versions. It's pretty pathetic when a Solaris version outsells you, but there you go."



THAT was funny!

I mean that the Solaris version is developed further but the Macintosh version is being dropped!

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Paul Thurrot writes:
"Adobe Discontinues FrameMaker for Macintosh
Thanks Claudio. Creative Pro is reporting that Adobe is discontinuing its Framemaker application on the Mac, but continuing development of the Windows and (ahem) Solaris versions. It's pretty pathetic when a Solaris version outsells you, but there you go."



THAT was funny!

I mean that the Solaris version is developed further but the Macintosh version is being dropped!

Pagemaker? Gone as well Good Riddance.

That had nothing to do with Quark, or their development of the superior InDesign I guess.
Framemaker? What was that again? WTFC.

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[Sven G]

Luckily, OS X users have plenty of possible FrameMaker alternatives, from the simpler to the more complex. For example:

- KWord;

- TeXShop or iTexMac and TeX;

- LyX;

- GNU TeXmacs;

- ...

Here, BTW, is an interesting LaTeX vs. FrameMaker comparison (PDF document, however only in German)...

[mitchell_pgh]

I don't think Framemaker was ported to OS X, so it's probably a "Considering nobody is buying this program... should we even bother porting it"

The real reason they are keeping the Solaris version is that it will take minimal work to update it, VS. a total overhaul in OS X.

When they discontinued Pagemaker, I could hear crying from the 60 and over designer crowd, and cheers from the print industry.

[voodoo]

Adobe didn't discontinue PageMaker as much as much as they re-branded it and named it InDesign

[CharlesS]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Paul Thurrot writes:
"Adobe Discontinues FrameMaker for Macintosh
Thanks Claudio. Creative Pro is reporting that Adobe is discontinuing its Framemaker application on the Mac, but continuing development of the Windows and (ahem) Solaris versions. It's pretty pathetic when a Solaris version outsells you, but there you go."

What a bastard.

[tooki]

Originally posted by voodoo:
Adobe didn't discontinue PageMaker as much as much as they re-branded it and named it InDesign

If that's what you think, then you need to lay off the drugs and take a look at it again!

InDesign (as reported by Adobe years before its release) is based on totally new code, and as any PageMaker fan will tell you, behaves very differently. (It's definitely been designed to cater to the Quark crowd.)

tooki

[mitchell_pgh]

Originally posted by tooki:
If that's what you think, then you need to lay off the drugs and take a look at it again!

InDesign (as reported by Adobe years before its release) is based on totally new code, and as any PageMaker fan will tell you, behaves very differently. (It's definitely been designed to cater to the Quark crowd.)

tooki

Correct

Adobe purchased Aldus, and basically couldn't improve upon the code base enough to compete with Quark. They knew that they would need to start from scratch.

[voodoo]

tongue-in-cheek fellas.

That smiley wasn't just a pretty face.

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