[peeb]

The Swamp: Bush's approval at new low in Reuters: 24 percent

And amazingly, 44% of people either think the country is on the right track, or don't know. What is going on?

[Peter]

how is this not political?
moving.

[Chuckit]

I can believe a quarter of people aren't capable of admitting they're wrong. I bet a significant number of people are still supporting Hillary for president as well.

I can also believe 44% of people don't know what the ****'s going on.

Additionally, I can also believe you meant to post this in the PL.

[osiris]

What's sadder is that congress has about the same approval rating.

[Chuckit]

It's absolutely right. Our government is filled with a bunch of overgrown children totally unprepared for the real world.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by Peter 

how is this not political?
moving.

Sorry! Wrong forum!

[chabig]

Probably the same number of frigtards thought Clinton shouldn't have been impeached.

[osiris]

you guys are slipping: 7 minutes until a Hillary mention, and a mind boggling 35 minutes for Clinton's impeachment.

Frigtard is a great word though, and it should be applied to the current condition of our government as a whole, and not just one person.

[Chuckit]

I would have mentioned Hillary sooner, but that damn Duff girl has made me forget how many L's I need.

[osiris]

that makes perfect sense to me.

[mduell]

More astounding is that congress is at 11%... 6 months ago I would have guessed they'd be well into the single digits by now.

[TheWOAT]

I think OJ Simpson's approval rating is higher than 11 percent. (If he were to have an approval rating of course)

[ironknee]

these are the same people attacking gore instead of facing the truth...bush has made the worst mess ever

spin spin spin

[Shaddim]

I thought Johnson made the worst mess?

Then there's Kennedy's mess. (bay of pigs)
Nixon's mess. (spying and lying)
Carter's mess. (economy)
Reagan's mess. (Iran-Contra)
Bush 1's mess. (not really enough time to make a big mess)
Clinton's mess. (oval office rug)
Bush 2's mess. (Iraq)

They're all pretty messy.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Clinton's mess. (oval office rug)
Bush 2's mess. (Iraq)

They're all pretty messy.

You know, I think it's pretty offensive to compare getting a blow-job with the deaths of thousands of Americans and many tens of thousands of others.

[Cold Warrior]

Clinton's mess was his and his administration's total failure to confront global jihadism and disrupt its growth.

[peeb]

Originally Posted by Cold Warrior 

Clinton's mess was his and his administration's total failure to confront global jihadism and disrupt its growth.

That's funny!

[osiris]

I blame Thomas Edward Lawrence and the British Empire for not having the foresight of what was to come.

[stwain2003]

Originally Posted by peeb 

You know, I think it's pretty offensive to compare getting a blow-job with the deaths of thousands of Americans and many tens of thousands of others.

I think it's funny that Democrats use the President of United States having an extramarital affair to point fingers at how much WORSE President Bush is doing. Typical, since the majority of them support the destruction of the family by way of abortion, gay marriage, and the like.

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by peeb 

You know, I think it's pretty offensive to compare getting a blow-job with the deaths of thousands of Americans and many tens of thousands of others.

not to mention adding billions of dollars to the deficit

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by stwain2003 

I think it's funny that Democrats use the President of United States having an extramarital affair to point fingers at how much WORSE President Bush is doing. Typical, since the majority of them support the destruction of the family by way of abortion, gay marriage, and the like.

yeah, two words, larry craig

[stwain2003]

Larry Craig was an idiot. So was Bill Clinton. The thing that's different about me compared to Democrats, is I don't like to bullshit. If someone associated with my political beliefs does something stupid, then I'll call them out on it. Republican OR Democrat. Democrats just downplay their mistakes and point fingers at us. They have NO backbone.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by stwain2003 

The thing that's different about me compared to Democrats, is I don't like to bullshit.

What percentage of Democrats, would you say, bullshit?

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by peeb 

You know, I think it's pretty offensive to compare getting a blow-job with the deaths of thousands of Americans and many tens of thousands of others.

Mostly it was tongue-in-cheek, but he did commit perjury, and that isn't something to shrug off

[Shaddim]

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

What percentage of Democrats, would you say, bullshit?

100%, it's the same for all politicians though

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by stwain2003 

Larry Craig was an idiot. So was Bill Clinton. The thing that's different about me compared to Democrats, is I don't like to bullshit. If someone associated with my political beliefs does something stupid, then I'll call them out on it. Republican OR Democrat. Democrats just downplay their mistakes and point fingers at us. They have NO backbone.

okay...

clinton shouldn't have had a bj...

1. hillery and chelsea should be the ones most affected by this.
   
2. AND, bad for him for not having self control. he's a president after all!

gwb shouldn't have launched a pre-eminent war in iraq. and with a lie to boot.

1. bush-league management of the war (remember rummy said the violence wouldn't last 6 weeks?)
   
2. so far 3831 american soldiers died
   
3. cost of war: 43 billion
   
4. leaving us with our back to the war.. as gwb said "if we leave, they will follow us."

not to mention abu ghraib, katrina, national debt or spying on americans


so for me, gwb takes the cake here

edit: oh i forgot...osama bin laden is still free....freedom for him is a big f-u to the us.

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Originally Posted by Face Ache 

Originally Posted by stwain2003 

The thing that's different about me compared to Democrats, is I don't like to bullshit.

What percentage of Democrats, would you say, bullshit?

100%, it's the same for all politicians though

I agree, but he seems to be suggesting that Democratic voters are bullshitters by default.

That, of course, is bullshit. Isn't it ironic? [/alanis]

Any further protestations shall hereby be considered bullshit.

Or maybe I'm just bullshitting ya.

I think I just like typing bullshit.

Originally Posted by ironknee 

oh i forgot...osama bin laden is still free.

Who?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

okay...

Wow, the irony.
You did exactly what stwain2003's post said!

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

okay...

clinton shouldn't have had a bj...

Personally, I could care less if Clinton got oral sex.

What he shouldn't have done is get it from a White House worker while she was supposed to be engaged in business and then lie about it in a court of law that was investigating whether he had a record of using government employees for sexual favors.

Even that doesn't really phase me. What he really shouldn't have done was....

- Not engaged in a pattern of election fraud via illegal foreign donations
- Not sold military secrets to his foreign backers
- Not put for sale US property (White House accomodations) that didn't belong to him
- Not engaged in constant partisan attacks against others via his associates Begala and Carville
- Not illegally tapped into private FBI files to get dirt on his political enemies
- Had the balls to do something that might have hurt his popularity ratings
- Nor lied about nearly EVERYTHING he said or did.
---

I could go on, but why bother. While Bush has been no big winner, we haven't had one of those for about 20 years. Reagan looks better and better as each year passes.

But Bush is pretty much a lame duck and old news. What's REALLY news is that it looks like a majority of Democrats are ready for Clinton to get back in office despite the clear record of corruption in the past and the CONTINUING corruption going on today. Even a fellow Demcrat couldn't help but raise the issue recently....

Political Radar: Edwards Attacks Clinton on Questionable Contributions

Of course, if Hillary where a Republican, we'd be treated to poll reports consisting of questions like "Does hearing about Senator Clinton's continued problems with illegal campaign finance donations, does that make you more or less likely to vote for her?". Instead....pretty much crickets. I'm surprised Edwards even mentioned it. He should know by know that the Clintons are allowed to scam whatever they want.

[ironknee]

^^

yes, you and i don't give a s#it about clinton's bj, but your party uses it all the time....scroll back and see

nice list....and you may be right on most or if all of them....but how many americans died because of it?

can you list any issues gwb has done with as much energy as you've put in for clinton? or is all this mess is someine eles' promblem?

btw you know you are of the minority on bush right?

[stwain2003]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

^^

yes, you and i don't give a s#it about clinton's bj, but your party uses it all the time....scroll back and see

nice list....and you may be right on most or if all of them....but how many americans died because of it?

Wow. Could you BE any more of an idiot? "Your party uses it all the time" might've been the stupidest thing I've heard in my life! You guys just can't face the facts that your beloved Clinton did something wrong, and whenever it comes up, you freak out and point the finger at the Republicans.

And just because Americans didn't die didn't mean it was a horribly - HORRIBLY - stupid thing to do, especially when you are the #1 ranked human being in the United States. He, as well as you, are idiots.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by ironknee 

^^

yes, you and i don't give a s#it about clinton's bj, but your party uses it all the time....scroll back and see

My party? I'm an independent.

nice list....and you may be right on most or if all of them....but how many americans died because of it?

How many died because of Nixon? By your logic, Kennedy who expanded Vietnam, causing lots of death, was a worse President the Nixon who was bringing the boys home? Fortunately for the world, "far left logic" isn't really the standard for intellectual excellence

can you list any issues gwb has done with as much energy as you've put in for clinton? or is all this mess is someine eles' promblem?

btw you know you are of the minority on bush right?

I'm not sure what you mean. When I'm "on bush", I AM normally a minority, as the bush in question is usually only occupied by one person.

[stupendousman]

I do get tired of Clinton supporters being such big winers when the low standard set by him and his wife gets brought up to explain why their tirades against lesser problems make them look foolish.

I'd have no real interest in discussing Clinton at this point...part of the past, if it wasn't for the fact that his party are apparently hoping to try and put he and his corrupt wife back into the White House. The Republicans ditched Nixon when his funny business came to light, and even rewarded Ford with a Carter win after he pardoned Nixon. It astounds me that the Democrats would be so blind to corruption (or hypocritical) as to put Hillary and Bill back in the White House. Simply astounding.

[Chuckit]

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

I do get tired of Clinton supporters being such big winers when the low standard set by him and his wife gets brought up to explain why their tirades against lesser problems make them look foolish.

I'd have no real interest in discussing Clinton at this point...part of the past, if it wasn't for the fact that his party are apparently hoping to try and put he and his corrupt wife back into the White House. The Republicans ditched Nixon when his funny business came to light, and even rewarded Ford with a Carter win after he pardoned Nixon. It astounds me that the Democrats would be so blind to corruption (or hypocritical) as to put Hillary and Bill back in the White House. Simply astounding.

You didn't actually list anything Clinton did that was worse than killing people for your own political gain, which is what people charge Bush with. So maybe you can understand why some see Bush as worse.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

You didn't actually list anything Clinton did that was worse than killing people for your own political gain...

..and no one has ever shown me that Bush ever did such a thing either. Exaggerate much?

..and I wasn't saying Clinton was better or worse. I did explain why the standard given was BS though. Faulty logic...

[ironknee]

Originally Posted by stwain2003 

Wow. Could you BE any more of an idiot? "Your party uses it all the time" might've been the stupidest thing I've heard in my life! You guys just can't face the facts that your beloved Clinton did something wrong, and whenever it comes up, you freak out and point the finger at the Republicans.

And just because Americans didn't die didn't mean it was a horribly - HORRIBLY - stupid thing to do, especially when you are the #1 ranked human being in the United States. He, as well as you, are idiots.

seriously, scroll back and see

didn't i say clinton shouldn't have had a bj?

has gwb done anything wrong? can you list any?

[CRASH HARDDRIVE]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

You didn't actually list anything Clinton did that was worse than killing people for your own political gain, which is what people charge Bush with. So maybe you can understand why some see Bush as worse.

Clinton popped off the largest missile attack in history (up to that time) against Iraq- if anyone thinks people didn't die in that and other attacks under Clinton's watch, well, they're liberals. (Synonymous with idiot, when it comes to this whole subject.)

[Face Ache]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Clinton popped off the largest missile...

When all you've got is Bush, penis envy is inevitable. [/Freud]

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Shaddim 

Clinton's mess. (oval office rug)

Oh that was just a little mess. He created far bigger messes than that.

Originally Posted by stupendousman 

- Not engaged in a pattern of election fraud via illegal foreign donations
- Not sold military secrets to his foreign backers
- Not put for sale US property (White House accomodations) that didn't belong to him
- Not engaged in constant partisan attacks against others via his associates Begala and Carville
- Not illegally tapped into private FBI files to get dirt on his political enemies
- Had the balls to do something that might have hurt his popularity ratings
- Nor lied about nearly EVERYTHING he said or did.
---

I could go on, but why bother. While Bush has been no big winner, we haven't had one of those for about 20 years. Reagan looks better and better as each year passes.

Indeed. Esp about the Reagan comment.

I wouldn't be surprised if "Moniquagate" wasn't just a distraction from all the other worse things that Administration was up to. They knew sex sold.. and so did the Media.

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by CRASH HARDDRIVE 

Clinton popped off the largest missile attack in history (up to that time) against Iraq-

And he did it because of the same reasons Bush did. Yet no one called him a liar, or a murderer or any of those political zealot like accusations.

Clinton, Dec. 19, 1998: "Earlier today, I ordered America's armed forces to strike military and security targets in Iraq. . . . Their mission is to attack Iraq's nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs and its military capacity to threaten its neighbors. . . . Saddam Hussein must not be allowed to threaten his neighbors or the world with nuclear arms, poison gas or biological weapons."

Wait, What nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs?

LIAR!1111 Murderer!1111

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by Chuckit 

You didn't actually list anything Clinton did that was worse than killing people for your own political gain, which is what people charge Bush with.

Well Clinton did it too. He indeed killed people for his own political gain. He also made the very people he was hired to protect out to be liars when they were telling the truth, just for his own political gain. I wont go into the people that "took their own life" because they were mixed into the Clinton administration a bit too deeply.

Originally Posted by ironknee 

^^

yes, you and i don't give a s#it about clinton's bj, but your party uses it all the time....scroll back and see

Actually the right talks about Clinton lying under oath. Which he did do.

The left belittles it as a simple "bj" Not that I care if Clinton gets a BJ, or who is he is getting it from. But please don't do it while you are "on the clock" (Wasting taxpayers money) and don't make some young gal out to be a liar to save your own can't keep it in his pants for a second ass.

That, and don't lie under oath.

I am not the biggest fan of Bush. But I have more respect for him than I do Clinton. And I've voted for both of them at one time.

He reminds me of the guy that has sex with the fat ugly girl, and when she tells her friends and brags about it, he denies it, and even goes as far as to belittle her in front of her friends.

But Clinton did it in front of the world. He lost my respect then and there.

YouTube - That Woman

He was lying out his ass there. He didn't care who he hurt by doing it either. No amount of finger wagging or slamming into the podium is going to make what he said true.

And his approval rating was high during that time.

That says a lot about "approval ratings"

[subego]

Nm.

[villalobos]

For all of Bush's social, diplomatic and military mistakes, I think his best success his the weakness of the dollar. It helps with the competitivity of american companies, it enhances the effect of high oil prices, which in turn will speed America's search for an alternative to the all-oil economy, before it is too late, and it makes investments from capital rich foreign compagnies interesting again, bringing much needed funds in the US. All this so far has not triggered inflation either. So yeah that german car import, and that led based chinese toy will be more expensive, but in the long term it will beneficial.

[peeb]

Erm, the economy being in a shambles does have some short term up-sides, but in the long term, it's a bad thing to trash the dollar.

[Kevin]

The economy hasn't been in shambles for quite awhile.

[Chongo]

the Dem's approval rating is even lower

[besson3c]

Clinton had a blow job.

[Chongo]

Pretty bad – but not Jimmy Carter bad | Gerard Baker - Times Online
The US jobless rate was more than 10 per cent. Inflation touched 15 per cent. Soviet troops marched unmolested into Afghanistan. America watched helpless as its diplomats were held hostage by Iranian revolutionaries for 444 days. In the rest of the world, from Latin America to Asia, American power yielded to the communist advance; economically, America was being bested by Japan and Germany.

[stupendousman]

Originally Posted by besson3c 

Clinton had a blow job.

..and all that other stuff I posted above.

The economy is in pretty good condition right now. Not as good as the height of the Internet boom that Clinton got the benefit of, but not the lows it was at the end of Clinton's adminstration when Bush inherited a slight recession.

[Kevin]

Not that the recession with Clinton's fault either. It wasn't.