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kennethmac2000 · Oct 13, 2003, 12:05 PM

Originally posted by ZildjianKX:
Works fine for me.

OK... a few questions.

1) Which version of IntelliPoint are you using?
2) Do you have IntelliPoint set to 'System Mouse Tracking' or 'IntelliPoint pointer speed'?
3) Do you use fast user switching? If so, are you sure that the mouse pointer speed stays OK between users? If not, can you try doing so just to check?

Zimwy · Oct 13, 2003, 12:52 PM

Has anybody else noticed that TexShop no longer works? I get this:
2003-10-13 12:48:28.921 TeXShop[807] *** -[NSPlaceholderMutableString initWithString:]: nil string (or other) argument

When I start the program.

gabe

CharlesS · Oct 13, 2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by Oneota:
More correctly, it has Carbon Copy Cloner's functionality built-in, since Bombich now works for Apple. They basically took his code, integrated it, and then "forgot" to give him a huge monetary reward.

I highly doubt they used Bombich's code, since CCC was only an AppleScript Studio app. For Disk Utility, I think they would want to use a lower-level language than AppleScript.

Also, CCC uses shell scripts pretty extensively, and relies on many command-line tools which are only available in the BSD Subsystem. Again, I don't think Apple would require the BSD Subsystem just to use Disk Utility. They would probably just use low-level file manager calls to do the job.

An app that simply copies all the files on one drive to another drive is not really that hard of a thing to do, people.

bracken · Oct 13, 2003, 07:33 PM

Originally posted by reco:
i have build 8b85. flash, dreamweaver and fireworks mx 2004 are not working....

they just not launch

Dreamweaver MX 2004 will not launch (7B85). I haven't tried the other apps.

DasDaSein+ · Oct 13, 2003, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by bracken:
Dreamweaver MX 2004 will not launch (7B85). I haven't tried the other apps.

Did you guys check your date and time settings? As I said before, the MX 2004 apps will for sure launch, when you are back from your Adobe CS safari and set back the year to 2003.

laurenr · Oct 13, 2003, 08:43 PM

Does anyone have Panther installed AND has LOGITECH Control center running? I am worried that my cordless MX keyboard will be unusable under Panther and who knows how long it will be before they produce an update.

Also - COPYPASTE - does anyone have this working under Panther?

Sure would appreciate answers!

DBvader · Oct 13, 2003, 09:33 PM

i havent read the previous posts, so im sory if these are repeats...

Im having trouble getting Matlab working in panther (though this is my first time installing it and it is kind of tricky to install).

USB Overdrive is a bit inconsistent and kills my volume and eject key functionality.

Though not software, my 52X burner that worked with jag as soon as i plugged it in doesnt even get recognized in panther (even in toast 6)

Menu Meters doesnt work either. It doesnt start on launch (though if you enable it each time it works fine...kinda negates the purpose)

I installed UT2K3, and it doesnt launch (i installed it with the updated installer too).

nickm · Oct 13, 2003, 10:39 PM

Too bad about Liteswitch X, because it seems to work fine in 7B68. For the person who asked, yes Panther has an app switcher like Liteswitch X, but it is but a pale-shadow of it.

Liteswitch X lets you hide, 'hide others', and force quit from the app switcher. More over, if you quit in liteswitch, it gives you feedback about which app you quit, and doesn't actually quit it until you let go, so you don't quit the wrong app.

deepdarkfunky · Oct 14, 2003, 02:41 AM

iChat 2.0 (v145)

see thread:

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.p...59#post1639159

K++ · Oct 14, 2003, 02:58 AM

Originally posted by nickm:
Too bad about Liteswitch X, because it seems to work fine in 7B68. For the person who asked, yes Panther has an app switcher like Liteswitch X, but it is but a pale-shadow of it.

Liteswitch X lets you hide, 'hide others', and force quit from the app switcher. More over, if you quit in liteswitch, it gives you feedback about which app you quit, and doesn't actually quit it until you let go, so you don't quit the wrong app.

The Dock's app Switcher has done all that since 10.2 and in 10.3 you merely get a bigger view to see it in. Hide, Quit, Show, etc work using their kerboayd shortcuts as long as you didn't let go of the Command button.

Simon · Oct 14, 2003, 03:54 AM

OK, maybe this is a stupid question, but what about the dev tools from Jaguar; will they work with Panther?

There are useful things that require them to be installed. But since I qualify for the $20 Panther update, I'll probably not get a dev tools CD. So, what can I do?

- continue to use the dev tools that came on CD together with Jaguar?

- download the Panther dev tools from an Apple website? Yuk. Will probably take hours...

- pay the full $129 for the entire Panther CD set just to get the (actually free) dev tools? Don't like that idea too.

So, can I use Jaguar dev tools with Panther?

eevyl · Oct 14, 2003, 05:10 AM

Originally posted by Simon:
So, can I use Jaguar dev tools with Panther?

Nope, you need the brand new Developer Tools for Panther.

Simon · Oct 14, 2003, 05:15 AM

Originally posted by eevyl:
Nope, you need the brand new Developer Tools for Panther.

OK. Thanks.

So, if I want to avoid paying $129 just for the dev tools can I download them from an Apple website at least? Does anybody have an appropriate URL for that?

bernt · Oct 14, 2003, 05:19 AM

SPSS (statistical program) doesn't work for me, anybody else?

erlend

Simon · Oct 14, 2003, 05:26 AM

Originally posted by bernt:
SPSS (statistical program) doesn't work for me, anybody else?

Which version? Do you have SPSS version 11 running on Jaguar already?

superfula · Oct 14, 2003, 05:27 AM

Originally posted by kennethmac2000:
OK... a few questions.

1) Which version of IntelliPoint are you using?
2) Do you have IntelliPoint set to 'System Mouse Tracking' or 'IntelliPoint pointer speed'?
3) Do you use fast user switching? If so, are you sure that the mouse pointer speed stays OK between users? If not, can you try doing so just to check?

Intellipoint has worked fine for me in 7B85, so I'll reply

1) whatever version M$ has for download currently
2) Intellipoint pointer speed
3) it's ok for me, but why do you care how it reacts when your switching between users. You can't use the mouse then anyway

JKT · Oct 14, 2003, 06:52 AM

Originally posted by Simon:
OK. Thanks.

So, if I want to avoid paying $129 just for the dev tools can I download them from an Apple website at least? Does anybody have an appropriate URL for that?

You can download them from ADC for free whenever the updates become available (note, you can join ADC for free but, obviously, you don't get the paid member benefits).

Spheric Harlot · Oct 14, 2003, 07:05 AM

Originally posted by DBvader:
Menu Meters doesnt work either. It doesnt start on launch (though if you enable it each time it works fine...kinda negates the purpose)

Working fine here, on both machines (iMac DV 400 and 12" Powerbook Rev.A).

Repair permissions perhaps?

-s*

kulverse · Oct 14, 2003, 07:50 AM

Photoshop is unable to save EPS files with a clipping path in 7B85. They appear without a preview in layout apps, and crash the app almost every time. (InDesign 2.0.2, FH MXa

OK I tried it, and I strangely had no preview/crashing issues with a PS EPS with clipping paths in InDesign.

And guys. My Studio MX 2004 works just dandy with 7B85. I installed it after I installed Panther though. Perhaps thats the issue?

Spheric Harlot · Oct 14, 2003, 08:20 AM

Another thing that annoys me: GeekTool technically works fine, HOWEVER: When I use Expos� to actually be able to see the desktop, the GeekTool console is treated like any other window and disappears into a corner.

Rather pointless, especially since the GeekTool window doesn't actually appear in the Expos� overview.

There really needs to be a preference to be able to exclude certain applications from Expos�.

GeekTool and Stickies would be on the list immediately.

-s*

alex_wlu_82 · Oct 14, 2003, 10:15 AM

what about http mail plugin for mail.app? does this work for anyone?

juanpacolopez · Oct 14, 2003, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by eevyl:
Nope, you need the brand new Developer Tools for Panther.

Not true.

I have personally seen Probject Builder/IB from the December 2002 dev tools (w/ gcc 3.3 upgrade) install and compile a 10.2 project on 7B85 without issue.

bernt · Oct 14, 2003, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by Simon:
Which version? Do you have SPSS version 11 running on Jaguar already?

I'm running version 11.0.2, which ran just fine in Jag before I installed Panther...

erlend

BurpetheadX · Oct 14, 2003, 11:28 AM

IntelliMouse works for me, always had since the WWDC preview. It just disables expos� by mouse.

zos · Oct 14, 2003, 01:58 PM

Mail bundles such as httpmail and the one to send spam to SpamCop no longer function (probably the things I most want updated right now).
SAFT, a full screen safari plug-in that used something called SIMBL, causes Safari to crash before it shows, took a while for me to figure that one out. So basically anything that screws with safari probably won't work.
As has been said, Pacifist won't work.
Netbarrier doesn't work. I'm talking about the version before it became bloatware. The daemon simply doesn't start.
All Unsanity haxies don't work. Probably because APE itself doesn't work. Good riddence I suppose.

As an aside, Classicspy is now not needed as Panther's Classic preferences can enable a feature that works the same, a menubar item that shows Classic's status.

RampantAI · Oct 14, 2003, 03:16 PM

Ghost Recon has some graphical errors when using night vision sometimes and than it shows up in the menus.....

VERY ANNOYING......

pptiger · Oct 14, 2003, 03:23 PM

Originally posted by Zimwy:
Has anybody else noticed that TexShop no longer works? I get this:
2003-10-13 12:48:28.921 TeXShop[807] *** -[NSPlaceholderMutableString initWithString:]: nil string (or other) argument

When I start the program.

gabe

Oh! No! If that is true, I will not upgrade to Panther. I cannot live without TexShop working.

Chris_G · Oct 14, 2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by pptiger:
Oh! No! If that is true, I will not upgrade to Panther. I cannot live without TexShop working.

There is a Panther beta available at http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/texshop.html... don't know how well it works.

Chris

ThisGuy · Oct 14, 2003, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by pptiger:
Oh! No! If that is true, I will not upgrade to Panther. I cannot live without TexShop working.

10.3 beta
http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/texshop/texshop1.31.dmg

gregpins · Oct 14, 2003, 06:07 PM

Location X is a no go in 10.3.

zos · 09:34 PM

Here's another:

MyTV/x drivers, The newest releases at least. A couple bounces and no loading.

No problems with Ghost recon, at least with the newest updates, 1.0.2 and 1.0.3.

z10n · Oct 15, 2003, 03:57 PM

All Unsanity haxies don't work. Probably because APE itself doesn't work. Good riddence I suppose.

Good riddence is right. While I'm all for what Unsanity is trying to do, APE completely nuked my computer every time I tried to install it. Either it wouldn't boot or my mac would start freezing randomly. Removing APE always solved the problem.

No way in hell I'm going to risk disturbing Panther by installing some Unsanity crap that kills everything. No way at all.

barbarian · Oct 15, 2003, 04:44 PM

has anyone been taking notes and made a long consolidated list of this thread? if so please post (I'm lazy).

hardcat1970 · Oct 15, 2003, 04:55 PM

Safari will not load any pages if some fonts activate by Extensis Suitcase.

barbarian · Oct 15, 2003, 06:06 PM

Someone just sent me this list:

all haxies - update coming
TV/x drivers
Location X
Texshop - update coming
ghost recon
netbarrier
saft
pacificst
mail bundles
geektool
SPSS
liteswitch
norton
copypaste
macstumbler
sharity
samba
protools
conCompo
disk warrior
kung-tools
proteus
usboverdrive
dvdxdv
counterstrike
candybar
asm

issues:
PS EPS with clipping paths in InDesi
usb overdrive
apple remote desktop
flash - redraw problems
aquarium

---------
The only thing that impacts me from this list is windowshade which I use religiously. According to slava an update is in the works so this is good.

hardcat1970 · Oct 15, 2003, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by barbarian:
Someone just sent me this list:

all haxies - update coming
TV/x drivers
Location X
Texshop - update coming
ghost recon
netbarrier
saft
pacificst
mail bundles
geektool
SPSS
liteswitch
norton
copypaste
macstumbler
sharity
samba
protools
conCompo
disk warrior
kung-tools
proteus
usboverdrive
dvdxdv
counterstrike
candybar
asm

issues:
PS EPS with clipping paths in InDesi
usb overdrive
apple remote desktop
flash - redraw problems
aquarium

---------
The only thing that impacts me from this list is windowshade which I use religiously. According to slava an update is in the works so this is good.

the old version of ASM (the last free release) is working for me though.

bernt · Oct 16, 2003, 02:36 AM

Originally posted by barbarian:
Someone just sent me this list:

all haxies - update coming
TV/x drivers
Location X
Texshop - update coming
ghost recon
netbarrier
saft
pacificst
mail bundles
geektool
SPSS
liteswitch
norton
copypaste
macstumbler
sharity
samba
protools
conCompo
disk warrior
kung-tools
proteus
usboverdrive
dvdxdv
counterstrike
candybar
asm

issues:
PS EPS with clipping paths in InDesi
usb overdrive
apple remote desktop
flash - redraw problems
aquarium

Proteus works just fine...

erlend

akuma-x · Oct 16, 2003, 04:08 AM

Originally posted by laurenr:
Does anyone have Panther installed AND has LOGITECH Control center running? I am worried that my cordless MX keyboard will be unusable under Panther and who knows how long it will be before they produce an update.

Also - COPYPASTE - does anyone have this working under Panther?

Sure would appreciate answers!

Yeah the Logitech stuff works just fine,
Both my mouse and keyboard are as good as ever. Config all the keys/buttons you want.

addiecool · Oct 16, 2003, 05:10 AM

M-Audio Revolution 1.2.7 drivers work but cause a kernel panic or system freeze now and then...

- - e r i k - - · Oct 16, 2003, 08:28 AM

Originally posted by bernt:
Proteus works just fine...

erlend

Proteus 2.0.3 DOES NOT WORK from a fresh install. And it DOES NOT WORK with MSN. This is confirmed by the developer.

Spheric Harlot · Oct 16, 2003, 09:39 AM

Originally posted by barbarian:
Someone just sent me this list:
apple remote desktop

ARD updated itself to 1.2 via Software Update and appears to work fine on my network (though I don't do remote installs and such like).

-s*

Daniel Bayer · Oct 16, 2003, 01:12 PM

Good list thus far.

What about iView Media Pro 2.0 and Nikon View 6.0?

These are key apps for me and even though I have the new cat on order, I will SOOO wait if there are issues.

db

laurenr · Oct 16, 2003, 02:58 PM

Thanks Akuma - you confirmed what Jeremy said about Logitech - VERY relieved to hear it. Now, I just wish someone would confirm COPYPASTE working with Panther. Cannot live without it - have used it since System 8 days!

sanity assassin · Oct 16, 2003, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
Proteus 2.0.3 DOES NOT WORK from a fresh install. And it DOES NOT WORK with MSN. This is confirmed by the developer.

try proteus 3.0.3, works fine in Panther.

- - e r i k - - · Oct 16, 2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
try proteus 3.0.3, works fine in Panther.

MSN would not login before I installed this plugin

Hopefully a real Proteus update will fix this before the actual Panther-release.

SMacTech · Oct 16, 2003, 03:53 PM

Originally posted by Spheric Harlot:
ARD updated itself to 1.2 via Software Update and appears to work fine on my network (though I don't do remote installs and such like).

-s*

I have had 1.2 installed and it will ultimately freeze after disconnecting from a client or after waking from sleep.

sanity assassin · Oct 16, 2003, 03:57 PM

Originally posted by - - e r i k - -:
MSN would not login before I installed this plugin

Hopefully a real Proteus update will fix this before the actual Panther-release.

Hmm, that is strange. I had the same problem in 3.0.2, and had to install the plug-in due to MSN and yahoo changing their protocols or something; but with 3.0.3, I think they're rolled up into the release, I could be wrong though.

cgilbert01 · Oct 16, 2003, 05:08 PM

If anyone with the new APE beta could please email me at [email protected] or else post a link I would really appreciate it. I'm going nuts without Windowshade.

Thanks!

By the way - Flash MX seems to launch fine for me - haven't tried editing anything with it though. Am on Pismo 400.

cgilbert01 · Oct 16, 2003, 05:31 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cgilbert01:
[B]If anyone with the new APE beta could please email me at [email protected] or else post a link I would really appreciate it. I'm going nuts without Windowshade.

Well, with a lot of searching I answered my own question. If anyone wants the latest APE beta, Windowshade beta, or Fruitmenu beta - which all run on Panther - please email me or look around on the internet. Just so everyone knows - this is officially ok - people are just asked not to publicy post a link in a general news forum by the developer.

- C

- - e r i k - - · Oct 16, 2003, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by sanity assassin:
Hmm, that is strange. I had the same problem in 3.0.2, and had to install the plug-in due to MSN and yahoo changing their protocols or something; but with 3.0.3, I think they're rolled up into the release, I could be wrong though.

This is NOT the same plugin as above. 3.0.3 did not work on any machine on our network in Panther.