[Lord Sith]

Looks like he's done indefinitely. Too bad..... really.

Blame adnx software. Though this feud has been ongoing for quite some time, it is sad to see Hein close his doors.

He did leave a wonderful teaser though..........

http://www.mixthepix.com/index2.php?icon=2

[mrfrost]

Damn, I never thought this would go this far.

By the way, the adnx site is down. Does this have anything to do with it?

[cloudaj]

i dont get it, if its a matter of legality you dont ask someone to step down, this is america damnit, you sue their ass off!

[Lord Sith]

By the way, the adnx site is down. Does this have anything to do with it? [/B]

Not sure. I do know that Hein was VERY aggresive in his attempts to stop adnx from using his icons for commercial use and that adnx basically said that they were freeware icons to be used at will.

I guess they neglected to read the Read Me.

Hein is German and the software company is French (I believe) so American laws do not apply.

[cloudaj]

ah, ok...well i would assume the law would help anyway, they do have laws and copyright protection and such in europe too

[mcapehart]

That really sucks. I really want that Panther Icon set he did.

I'm writing the company, but from what I have heard, it won't do much good.

[Mr.Clicky]

Well thanks Hein for some great eye candy - the best there was.

And may ADNX crash and burn Ooo, looks like they have...

[decursive]

because giving up will show that company what's what.....

[Slayer-X]

Originally posted by decursive:
because giving up will show that company what's what.....

I kinda agree with this sentiment. I mean it is totally unacceptable that the company ripped him off like that and they should be punished for that - or at the very least stop using his icons. But why should everyone have to lose the benefit of his icons just because of one company? I mean, it's not like he loses money because of this. It isn't taking business away from him. I agree that yes it sucks, yes it is not fair, yes it is unjust, but how many times have we all been ripped off before? I am sure everyone here who has a site has been ripped off at some point on something they made. It sucks, but you know what you do? you perservere. You keep going. You work just as hard if not for your fans, for yourself. You show them that yeah, you can steal but you can bite me, because you won't stop me from making my art. Someone rips you off? You kno wwhat you do? You advertise that. You keep going but you also advertise that Company X ripped you off. You put up a disclaimer and gain support. Loyal fans - those who matter, who support you, will respect your work and your art, and in the end, those are the people who I think matter. So while it sucks complete arse that Hein got ripped off, and that his plight against them did not seem to work, it seems like throwing in the towel to close his site and give up. Because who wins out of this? He doesn't display his art, nobody gets to use his icons, but the company still sells its stuff and makes its profit.

[brazil]

I completely agree with Slayer-X . I actually got a response email from them I considered quite rude but at the end they said they would not use his icons anymore . Leaving me with the impression the matter was settled . link .I am very disappointed about the way its being handled . He obviously got good support from us and even being told they would quit HE takes it to another level . Now everyone loses . Thanks mix-the-pix - may you rest in peace . We did our part and they said they would stop now mix-the-pix quits . I kinda feel like my efforts went for nothing .

[natey]

Here are some example emails that Hein got. I got it from the aqua-soft forum.

--
Why to apologize ? You make blackmail and request money !
with a very very very bad method !!!
the archive we have used don't have a read me file !
So the method to deliver your icons is not good !!
This is your fault, not our fault if our designer use your icons !

Why companies can't use icons ??
What is the difference with a personal user ?
You don't like companies ?
your philosophy does not have any direction !
I don't understand how you make money !
companies contact you to use your icons ????


Patrice and David Calligaris
adnX software
Cool utilities for Mac OS X
http://www.adnx.com


--
ONLY YOUR FAULT !!!
WE HAVE NO COPYRIGHT NOTICE ON THE ARCHIVE WE HAVE USED !!!


Thanks for the advertising on your web site !
Great idea.
We will put a notice on our web site. We don't steal anything !!
This is only your fault if a web designer can download
your icons whithout notice.
And more !!
our french lawyer say to us that a picture cannot be protected
by copyright when you give it for free to a community !!!!
before doing anything, learn the laws!

Patrice and David Calligaris
adnX software
Cool utilities for Mac OS X
http://www.adnx.com


--
YOU ARE VERY STUPID !
Make free icons for company!
You have talent !
But your brain an ideas are stupid !
you will never make business with adnXgroup !
3 major companies in the mac market.

Patrice and David Calligaris
adnX software
Cool utilities for Mac OS X
http://www.adnx.com


--
You are not a real FREEWARE web site.
But a FALSE freeware web site.

This is your method of business !!!

With our lawyer, we have forced two web site to close !
Because of copyright problem !
We respect copyright but your icons are available
for FREE on internet and it's not our fault.

You do not have the right to defame!
You DON'T SAY THE TRUTH on your web site.
We will INFORM YOUR icon users about the truth.

Patrice and David Calligaris
adnX software
Cool utilities for Mac OS X
http://www.adnx.com


Hein will need lawyers to battle this. I say we burn these french mother****ers.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by natey:
Hein will need lawyers to battle this. I say we burn these french mother****ers!

As a French guy I really think they are completely stupid and that they really should pay more attention to this.

The mac community is very strong and doesn't like this kind of behavior...

BTW, on whta software did they use this ?
Did they _at least_ give credit for the author of the icons ?

[MacDog]

This is truly sad. Hein was a fantasic iconist, and his work will be missed.

[Tarambana]

Hi.

This is truly sad. What ADNX software has done is absolutely unacceptable. I did send them an e-mail asking them to stop using those icons, yet they did never answer.

I know it isn't much, but I will discourage any of my friends or costumers to go and use ADNX software.

I also think it is a pity that Hein has closed now definitely, yet I cannot blame him, but the ones that used his workk without permission.


Oh! And BTW, though Ameircan Acts do not apply, international treaties do,-such as Geneve, Rome, or Berna-, and those do also allow artist to dispose of their works, letting it only for private uses.

[mrfrost]

You can find a link on their site that says "The truth about Mix The Pix". Well, here it is...the truth:

UPDATED JANUARY 8 TH


About cool icons
a web site say that we steal icons !

This is not true !
We say that we don't steal icons.


OUR OFFICIAL ANSWSER

1
The icon archive we used not contain
the read me file about copyright.


2
WE HAVE CREATED OUR OWN ICONS
AND CHANGED ALL ICONS.
New versions of our software with cool new icons
are available since january 7 th 2004


3
WE THINK THAT THE DEBATE IS CLOSED.


The artist closed his Web site and makes slandering.
By changing our icons, we showed that we respect artist rights.
Anybody can an make an error and it's not our fault
if bad archives of the artist are available on the internet.
The artist recognized that its way of distributing icons
was not good and posed problems.

They handled that very professionally.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by mrfrost:
You can find a link on their site that says "The truth about Mix The Pix". Well, here it is...the truth:

They handled that very professionally.

ANyone checked if they did remove the icons ?
If that's truen then the story IS over and there is no more reason to have a closed mix the pix
BUT we have a reason to boycott this software company

[natey]

Originally posted by iNeusch:
ANyone checked if they did remove the icons ?
If that's truen then the story IS over and there is no more reason to have a closed mix the pix
BUT we have a reason to boycott this software company

I'm not sure which one but I know one of them is "Kid's Browser" or something. Another quote from Hein from the Aqua-soft forum about adnx's statement on their website.

They only did that now because of the mails they get and because it's in the press now.

And I don't think this is true, "The artist recognized that its way of distributing icons was not good and posed problems.", since most of Hein's icon packs were in iContainers.

[bOOzo]

Well, that.. sucks. I also sent an email to adnx, never got a response though.
Those responses posted from adnx here seems like they were written by a 6 year old...

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by bOOzo:
Well, that.. sucks. I also sent an email to adnx, never got a response though.
Those responses posted from adnx here seems like they were written by a 6 year old...

Nope it's a google translation

[codywalton]

Originally posted by iNeusch:
ANyone checked if they did remove the icons ?

It does look like they've changed the icons to new ones they made themselves.



BTW the new "self-made" icons suck. They should have just offered to pay him for the use of the icons. Yet another reason I am not a fan of the French.

[Sage]

Wow, this is really sad... And those emails that adnX sent to Hein were putrid crap. Shame on them.

Is there anything we can do to help at this point? Would sending Hein fan mail help reverse his decision?

And as for adnX, they're back up. Damn.

[sushiism]

personally i think the fascism towards a certain nation is far more shocking, Jesus Christ grow up have you ever actually been to France? I've been 15 times and for the record the French people I met were lovely, apart form one he was a gimp but no bigger gimp than your average British 15 year old

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by codywalton:
Yet another reason I am not a fan of the French.

It is related ?????????

[natey]

Originally posted by codywalton:
It does look like they've changed the icons to new ones they made themselves.



BTW the new "self-made" icons suck. They should have just offered to pay him for the use of the icons. Yet another reason I am not a fan of the French.

I'm not sure if these are the icons. I think it was used in the apps not as the app icon itself.

[codywalton]

Originally posted by natey:
I'm not sure if these are the icons. I think it was used in the apps not as the app icon itself.

Ah... I was under the impression they used his icons as the "App" icon. Even if they just used them inside the app, they should have asked for his permission first.

[kovacs]

I have sent an e-mail almost a month ago and this was their reply:

This is the fault of the artist if an archive whitout copyright notice
is available on internet !!!!!

New icons will be available january 6 th.

We can't change quickly a software. this is a long process.

We don't steal anything !!

This is easy to say that we are wrong.

Read more informations on our web site.



LAME

[bOOzo]

Originally posted by iNeusch:
Nope it's a google translation

Haha ok, I was beginning to wonder...

I agree that it does not matter that they are french. But they should not act like this if they want to be taken seriously.

[WICKEDfour]

This whole thing is kind of a tricky situation. First off, all include Read Me files that do mention that they're for personal use only, so I have no idea what ADNX is talking about. I also recall that Hein had experienced some issues with someone that ported his icons to Windows without giving him credit. This eventually caused Hein to move to the iContainer format, which kind of worked, I guess.

The main problems here are the lack of respect for intellectual property, as well as some stubbornness on Hein's part. I mean, if he were to reach an agreement with ADNX that included respect of copyrights on Hein's end and maybe even some commission money for the use of the icons, I think that would've worked out fine. Instead, he continued to argue, and now we have lost access Hein's works, which were some of the slickest icons I've ever seen. I actually suggested that he email the Iconfactory and see what they do when problems like this arise... Anyway, I'm not sure about the future of MixThePix; "Indefinitely" sort of suggests that Hein may open his doors again someday...

One note about the French bashing: Why? Just because some idiots that happen to be French make a big fuss, you have to flame all of the French people as a whole? That's just not right, plain and simple. There are plenty of things that we can't control; heck, I'm sure many people in Europe have the same type of bad stereotypical feelings towards Americans.

Okay, enough about that, just felt that it needed to be said. Remember, we're kind of one big happy Mac-using community here, why not get along?

[cloudaj]

i think certain current political tensions lead to that sentiment towards French people, or at least played a factor in it...

[onlooker]

I'm sure many people in Europe have the same type of bad stereotypical feelings towards Americans.

Are you kidding? America bashing is the #1 Pass-time in Europe.

They are more passionate about that than they are about Futbol, or Soccer.

Either way. I wish Hein would put MixThePix back online.

[sushiism]

oh yeah we really really hate americans over here. But we dont start going like this on a forum "HA HA HA YOU STUPID AMERICAN PIGDOGS THIS IS ANOTHER REASON TO ADD TO MY LIST OF REASONS WHY I AM HATING YOU!!!!!" the second anyone from America does something like this company has.

[promethean]

This all really sucks.

Also, wouldn't the icons they use on their "developer" site be Apple's OS X Server icons?

Tisk. Tisk. Tisk.

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by promethean:
This all really sucks.

Also, wouldn't the icons they use on their "developer" site be Apple's OS X Server icons?

Tisk. Tisk. Tisk.

true !
does anyone have an email of an Apple lawyer

[moonmonkey]

I know its not very grown up, but it may be quite satisfying to try to redress the balance by reviewing the companies products on version tracker.

I've got 5 minutes so im going to do it anyway.

Anyone with me?

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by moonmonkey:
I know its not very grown up, but it may be quite satisfying to try to redress the balance by reviewing the companies products on version tracker.

I've got 5 minutes so im going to do it anyway.

Anyone with me?

Austin P :
Yeah baby ! Yeah !

[natey]

Another ripped icon found on their software. Check the screenshot. Find anything that resembles this?

Think Smoothicon from Iconfactory.

[kovacs]

Originally posted by natey:
Another ripped icon found on their software. Check the screenshot. Find anything that resembles this?

Think Smoothicon from Iconfactory.

Yeah.... but they probably couldn't find the copyright notice Or couldn't read it because it was written is some weird language...anglisch or something like that...

[promethean]

I've sent Iconfactory a note about it, and next up is Apple since that software (VideoWeb) ripped one of their icons as well.

[natey]

the magnifying glass, preview button from the screenshot looks like it's from Camino?

[Kujo]

it looks like Hein got what he wanted i wonder if he will come back now?

[ambush]

Originally posted by codywalton:
I am not a fan of the French.

Yet another reason why I'm not a fan of the Americans

[Tarambana]

What do you mean? Have they removed Hein's icons from their software, or are they paying for using them?

Anyway, hope everythnig is really solved for good.

[ambush]

Originally posted by natey:
Hein will need lawyers to battle this. I say we burn these french mother****ers.

I say we burn your racist ass!

[kovacs]

Originally posted by ambush:
I say we burn your racist ass!

Exactly this has nothing to do with them being french but with them being complete idiots, french idiots but don't tell me there are no american idiots... There are even some belgian idiots, not a lot but still

[iNeusch]

Originally posted by kovacs:
There are even some belgian idiots, not a lot but still

Are you sure
Seriously nothing to do with nationality

[kovacs]

Sssstttt.... quit... they don't like idiots in belgium... soon they will start hunting me down... and kill my entire family...

[rhythmicmoose]

Originally posted by sushiism:
But we dont start going like this on a forum "HA HA HA YOU STUPID AMERICAN PIGDOGS THIS IS ANOTHER REASON TO ADD TO MY LIST OF REASONS WHY I AM HATING YOU!!!!!" the second anyone from America does something like this company has.

HAHAHA!

Thank you for trying to set things straight around here. Don't we have enough Windoze users to bash, or do we really need to be bashing fellow Mac users? Are we mad at the people or the act? How is it any different than if an American company had done something like this? It's wrong. Period. In fact, we should probably be more understanding in this case, since it's entirely possible they were unable to read the licensing notices in the readme's.

And, of course, the American version of this would be: steal the icons, ignore the angry emails, and never remove them from the software.

This whole situation is stupid.

I wish Hein the best of luck in getting his icons back. Having your art stolen sucks. I hope you continue designing and releasing icons in the future, regardless of this fiasco.

And remember kiddies: AFFP (ask for permission).

[eDave]

Rhythmicmoose,

Actually, the American response would be to sue Hein for damaging their reputation & hurting their business, and then to thank God loudly & publicly for giving them the courage to go on. Following this they would fire half their staff, make the remaining staff do double the work and eliminate their insurance benefits just so they could stay in business (and so the owners could still afford their new BMWs & expensive hookers).

And I am an American, so I'm allowed to make fun -- Oh, wait, John Ashcroft is at the door, I gotta go...

Dave

[rhythmicmoose]

Originally posted by eDave:
Rhythmicmoose,

Actually, the American response would be to sue Hein for damaging their reputation & hurting their business, and then to thank God loudly & publicly for giving them the courage to go on. Following this they would fire half their staff, make the remaining staff do double the work and eliminate their insurance benefits just so they could stay in business (and so the owners could still afford their new BMWs & expensive hookers).

And I am an American, so I'm allowed to make fun -- Oh, wait, John Ashcroft is at the door, I gotta go...

Dave

You forgot the part about the American business hiring guys to come to your home, slap your wife, pull your daughter's hair, take your dog's water bowl, and switch the direction of all the toilet paper rolls in your bathrooms.

FREE HEIN'S ICONS!

[onlooker]

Some of you people act like children. I swear. I think most of you can't be more than 13 years old continuing on with this ridiculous dialog.

An idiot, is an idiot, is an idiot. It does not matter where your from, where your are, or where your going. There is always going to be idiots - it is inevitable. Origin is not the issue.