[spacefreak]

Some sick stuff here. The last line of the article is interesting in terms of when animal sex was decriminalized.

Swedes have more and more animal sex

Animal sex is not illegal in Sweden, and every year between 200 and 300 pets are injured because of sexual assaults.

The estimate was presented by Svenska Veterin�rforbundet, the Swedish veterinary organization, and it is now trying to make the authorities and the public more aware of animals� suffering. The organization claim the problem has increased during the last couple of years, even if most people are unaware of it.

�We have seen an increase since 1999 when child pornography became illegal,� said Johan Beck-Friis. �It appears, in other words, as there are some people who have replaced children with animals. In both circumstances, it is sex with defenceless individuals.�

The injuries inflicted on animals after sexual assaults are of the same character of those children get. Beck-Friis said that the most common injuries are wounds on the sex organs and blisters.

The fact that animal sex is becoming an increasing problem can be indicated by the mere fact that there is an increasing selection of animal porn at video rentals and there an increasingly number of websites with animal pornography is surfacing.

No one knows for sure how many animals that are abused, but a British study from 2001 indicates that every 20th dog or cat that receives treatment at veterinaries, the injuries are not a result of a direct accident, but the animal has been inflicted the injury as a result of a sexual assault.

According to the Swedish paper Expressen, if the same estimate can be used in Sweden that will indicate that 200 to 300 dogs and cats every year are injured as a result of sexual assaults.

In contrast with most other countries, animal sex is not illegal in Sweden. It was decriminalized in 1944 in connection with the decriminalization of homosexual sex.

Do you think sex with animals should be illegal?

[eklipse]

[Nonsuch]

At last ... an issue we can all agree on.

[thunderous_funker]

I couldn't really care less.

Actually, scratch that. It shouldn't be illegal. Why? Because I can only imagine how many millions of dollars would be wasted in futile attempts to enforce such a meaningless law in the interest of protecting an absolutely insignificant number of animal injuries.

Maybe someday our society will be so fantastically perfect and just that our biggest concern will be spending lots of time and money worrying about the bizarre sexual acts of .0000001% of the population, but until then I really don't think its going to keep me up at night.

[xi_hyperon]

I leeke-a tu lufe-a zee keetties
I leeke-a tu lufe-a zee duggeees
Boot my fefureete-a peur ooff boons
Belung tu a certeeen green fruggy

[spacefreak]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
It shouldn't be illegal. Why? Because I can only imagine how many millions of dollars would be wasted in futile attempts to enforce such a meaningless law in the interest of protecting an absolutely insignificant number of animal injuries.

At least take the damn pet away from it's owner if it's obvious that something the size of a carrot or cucumber has ripped apart the anal or vaginal lining of the pet.

[GG Allin]

Originally posted by Nonsuch:
At last ... an issue we can all agree on.

Speak for yourself! I'm GG Allin! Oh and I am part Swedish too!

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by spacefreak:
At least take the damn pet away from it's owner if it's obvious that something the size of a carrot or cucumber has ripped apart the anal or vaginal lining of the pet.

Wouldn't that already be illegal under existing animal cruelty laws? I'm sure vets are already empowered to report such suspicious injuries to authorities. I don't think we need a "War on Animal Sex", even if it is something that people can get emotional and patriotic about condemning in an election year.

[The Ayatollah]

Yet one more example of the decadence, immorality, and utter failure of Western European society.

What a gutter society the Eurotrash wallow in.

[AKcrab]

So you think this is merely a "western" problem?

[thunderous_funker]

Originally posted by The Ayatollah:
Yet one more example of the decadence, immorality, and utter failure of Western European society.

What a gutter society the Eurotrash wallow in.

You might want to investigate which nations buy the most animal porn. Not to mention produce the most porn over all.

[Millennium]

Originally posted by AKcrab:
So you think this is merely a "western" problem?

The actual poster probably doesn't; keep in mind that 'The Ayatollah' is very much a character being played by someone.

When it comes to animal sex, I would remove it as a special category and instead lump it in with statutory rape (except when obvious force is used). Given that we currently don't have any reliable (and verifiable) way to communicate with animals, no animal can give consent.

Given this reasoning, this could also fall under the category of animal cruelty.

[Jim Paradise]

Originally posted by thunderous_funker:
I couldn't really care less.

Actually, scratch that. It shouldn't be illegal. Why? Because I can only imagine how many millions of dollars would be wasted in futile attempts to enforce such a meaningless law in the interest of protecting an absolutely insignificant number of animal injuries.

Maybe someday our society will be so fantastically perfect and just that our biggest concern will be spending lots of time and money worrying about the bizarre sexual acts of .0000001% of the population, but until then I really don't think its going to keep me up at night.

This is how I feel about most sex laws and in general about things that people do- so long as people aren't harming each other or other things, then why bother to persue it? You are right to say that since it should be covered under existing laws, why bother to launch a useless campaign that would only waste money.

[theolein]

Originally posted by Millennium:
The actual poster probably doesn't; keep in mind that 'The Ayatollah' is very much a character being played by someone.

...

I call bullsh1t on that one, and I am deeply offended that the moderators have not permanently banned this individual yet. How would you feel if someone were to create a persona with a title such as "Ho Chi Minh" or something and continually insult Americans in general with terms of endearment such as "American pig fu�ker" or whatever.

I personally believe that the moderators tolerate far right American nationalism to a much greater degree than they admit.

To put it in another light. It is worthwhile that people who continually flame and troll, such as perryp and version get banned, but it is, to my mind at least, extremely strange that less vigilance is applied to someone who, without exception, only posts inflammatory material and gets away with it.

I do not like being referred to as "Eurotrash"!

[AKcrab]

Originally posted by Millennium:
The actual poster probably doesn't; keep in mind that 'The Ayatollah' is very much a character being played by someone.

I keep it in mind...
What's your point? Don't respond to him when he spouts his anti-western rhetoric? I don't use the ignore function, because I shouldn't have to.

[Spheric Harlot]

Theolein:

[Twilly Spree]

theolein

[nredman]

Animal sex is not illegal in Sweden, and every year between 200 and 300 pets are injured because of sexual assaults.

sick...but that sentance made me laugh.

[The Ayatollah]

Originally posted by theolein:
I call bullsh1t on that one, and I am deeply offended that the moderators have not permanently banned this individual yet. How would you feel if someone were to create a persona with a title such as "Ho Chi Minh" or something and continually insult Americans in general with terms of endearment such as "American pig fu�ker" or whatever.

I personally believe that the moderators tolerate far right American nationalism to a much greater degree than they admit.

To put it in another light. It is worthwhile that people who continually flame and troll, such as perryp and version get banned, but it is, to my mind at least, extremely strange that less vigilance is applied to someone who, without exception, only posts inflammatory material and gets away with it.

I do not like being referred to as "Eurotrash"!

yet another one of your knee-jerk reactions directed at someone you don't agree with. I have never called anyone any type of 'pig %$*@# or whatever', and I don't direct profanity at citizens of the european satan in general, though I reserve sharp words for apostatic ideologues.

have a nice day.

[zigzag]

Another common problem is a lack of foreplay. My dog, for instance, used to just hump away at my leg, any old time. I now insist that he shower first, then engage in some light conversation, perhaps over a glass of Merlot.

On all other matters I defer to pooka.

[3gg3]

theolein

Oh, and I prefer white wine.

[deedar]

Where is pooka?

[zigzag]

Originally posted by deedar:
Where is pooka?

Lookin' for love in all the wrong places.

[kvm_mkdb]

Originally posted by Millennium:
The actual poster probably doesn't; keep in mind that 'The Ayatollah' is very much a character being played by someone.

How endearing...

Does that mean that as long as one 'plays a character' he's allowed to:

1) Ridicule religious figures
2) Insult other members
3) Spout xenophobic remarks

[GG Allin]

Originally posted by theolein:

I do not like being referred to as "Eurotrash"!

Theolin, no intelligent person pays any serious attention to this garbage. However tasteless I am sure it is posted as a joke.

However, spacefreak, forget my saying that you've gained any respect around here. I notice that you've most likely posted this because it refers to a law covering homosexuality.

We Americans have just as much sex with animals as any other nation.

Informed Americans know that Sweden is one of the most advanced countries in the world.

[GG Allin]

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
How endearing...

Does that mean that as long as one 'plays a character' he's allowed to:

1) Ridicule religious figures
2) Insult other members
3) Spout xenophobic remarks

The poster is actually exposing the hypocrisy and ignorance of these thoughts. Although I too wish he were not here. Actually I would love to tell his mommy to give him a sound thrashing.

[Ayelbourne]

Originally posted by theolein:
To put it in another light. It is worthwhile that people who continually flame and troll, such as perryp and version get banned, but it is, to my mind at least, extremely strange that less vigilance is applied to someone who, without exception, only posts inflammatory material and gets away with it.

I do not like being referred to as "Eurotrash"!

Nor do I. Lately, it seems a vocal minority is trying to insure that the level of discourse in the Lounge is as puerile as they can make it.

I see no constructive point to this thread other than a cheeseball attempt at promulgating the same old nationalistic bigotries.

A new low in trolling.

[Logic]

Thanks, space for that article

Now having lived in Sweden I can perhaps(hopefully) explain how this works. First of all, the original article is from a norwegian paper. I'm not going to dispute the article in any way, but people should know that both Sweden and Norwegians have this love-hate relationship and every-time one nation finds something "worse" about the other nation they print it and make it sound much worse than it actually is. But it is all made in good fun.

Now to the laws about animal sex. It is correct that there are no laws about animal sex in Sweden. But there are very strict laws about animal cruelty. They are very strict. So if you hurt an animal while..... well you know, you get charged with animal cruelty and the penalty is pretty harsh.

I think we all agree that we should treat animals with respect. But the question is, do animals have a soul? Will they feel violated if someone films them and sells the video to perverts around the world? IMO the reason we have special laws about this regarding rape(now talking about the animal normally called humans) is that the psychological damage is often much worse than the physical damage. I think we can all agree on that. Now like I said, we don't know and most scientists doubt that animals have what we call a soul. A violated horse or dog will not get depressed and suicidal and feel ashamed, if you know what I mean. Therefore the question is do we need special laws about animal sex or should we just keep those acts under the animal cruelty laws?

And one example, a bit sick but just to show you how it works in Sweden. This might sound like just a story but this is true:

A man was charged with animal cruelty after the police found out that he was making homevideos of himself having sex with animals. He was charged with 3 counts of animal cruelty. One for having sex with a pig, one for having sex with a dog and one for having sex with a rooster. He was acquitted for both the pig and the dog because the court didn't find anything that proved that the animal had suffered. But for the rooster he was found guilty(surprise) since the rooster IIRC died. He was sent to jail for IIRC 6 months and all his animals were taken away from him, and then he was prohibited from having animals ever again.

So that is how it works in Sweden

[Spheric Harlot]

Originally posted by Logic:
A man was charged with animal cruelty after the police found out that he was making homevideos of himself having sex with animals. He was charged with 3 counts of animal cruelty. One for having sex with a pig, one for having sex with a dog and one for having sex with a rooster. He was acquitted for both the pig and the dog because the court didn't find anything that proved that the animal had suffered. But for the rooster he was found guilty(surprise) since the rooster IIRC died. He was sent to jail for IIRC 6 months and all his animals were taken away from him, and then he was prohibited from having animals ever again.

So that is how it works in Sweden

Makes sense.

Case closed.

Next!

-s*

[xi_hyperon]

Originally posted by GG Allin:
We Americans have just as much sex with animals as any other nation.

Perhaps one of the few sig-worthy quotes to come from the Political Lounge in a long time.

[The Ayatollah]

Originally posted by kvm_mkdb:
How endearing...

Does that mean that as long as one 'plays a character' he's allowed to:

1) Ridicule religious figures
2) Insult other members
3) Spout xenophobic remarks

this 'religious figure' is nothing more than a sick tyrant who denies freedom to millions. There is no shame in ridiculing him, just as we ridicule and demean the Apostates to Freedom and Injustice worldwide.

Any insults are both given and taken--look around, Flawless and Guiltless Gem of the Satan West, and you'll see that the Marginalised Left and Extremists here are far more quick to call names.

[ThinkInsane]

Originally posted by The Ayatollah:
this 'religious figure' is nothing more than a sick tyrant who denies freedom to millions. There is no shame in ridiculing him, just as we ridicule and demean the Apostates to Freedom and Injustice worldwide.

Any insults are both given and taken--look around, Flawless and Guiltless Gem of the Satan West, and you'll see that the Marginalised Left and Extremists here are far more quick to call names.

Enough already. I am getting sick and tired of this little melodrama you folks have going on here. I think EVERYONE is taking this far too seriously. Let me reiterate what has already been said: This is first and foremost a Macintosh forum. The only reason that the political forum exists is because people were sick of seeing the same thing posted over and over in the main lounge, so we contained the political flame wars into it's own little corner of macnn.

Folks on both sides of this debacle need to grow up and realize that this is not a problem of one side or the other. Both sides are acting like children. This political zealotry is stupid, and it's making otherwise intelligent people look like whiney children. Use the ignore feature, that's what it's there for. If you don't like someone, if you have a personal beef with someone, take it up via PM, ignore them, find a forum more to your liking, but do not drag the rest of the forum down with stupid, petty flaming.

This is not the first time we have been down this road, so let me remind you that the previous solution to the problem was rather heavy handed, and most of you would not be happy if we were forced to implement that.

Ayatollah, enough already. You're routine has grown old. Enough with muslim stuff, enough with the name calling. This forum is here for the enjoyment of all, not your own personal amusement. Give it a break, or be gone. No room for argument, just do it. I'm sick of this crap.