[Developer]

I don't know who suggested the two for nomination, but I must say that is bold.

[lil'babykitten]

They'll probably win it too.

[chabig]

It's no bolder than Jimmy Carter winning the Peace Prize for essentially doing nothing. Too bad the Iraqi citizens don't get to vote.

[kvm_mkdb]

Originally posted by chabig:
It's no bolder than Jimmy Carter winning the Peace Prize for essentially doing nothing. Too bad the Iraqi citizens don't get to vote.

They would choose Chirac:

http://www.punditman.com/archives/11242003.php

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by chabig:
It's no bolder than Jimmy Carter winning the Peace Prize for essentially doing nothing. Too bad the Iraqi citizens don't get to vote.

Really?
I think your suggestion is absurd. This says,
they would rather go back to being ruled by
Saddam Insain and living in constant terror.

Now, they have a chance to recreate their own
country. Do they got what it takes? We shall
see.

Jimmy Carter is a good man, and he has done
many more good things than most ex-presidents.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/carter/

I just love how people just write garbage
without doing the smallest amount of
research.

I hope BUSH / BLAIR win. They deserve it
more so than the cowards that populate
FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA.

They win my rasberry award for being so
contemptuous of the world.

[nredman]

What?

[eklipse]

Coincidentally, the chief priority of the guy who nominated them appears to be the security of Israel:

http://www.tiscali.co.uk/cgi-bin/new...obelprize.html

A Norwegian parliamentarian has nominated Prime Minister Tony Blair and U.S. President George W. Bush for the Nobel Peace Prize, praising them for winning the war in Iraq.

"Sometimes it�s necessary to use a small and effective war to prevent a much more dangerous war in the future," Jan Simonsen, a right-wing independent in Norway�s parliament, told Reuters on Thursday.

"If nobody acted then Saddam Hussein could have produced weapons of mass destruction and, in five or 10 years, could have used them against Israel," he said.

Small world, huh?

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
Now, they have a chance to recreate their own country. Do they got what it takes? We shall see.

what kind of stupid statement is that? do they got what it takes?

actually it's "do they have what it takes?", but nevermind...

you'll you soon find out that, (no) thanks to bush and buttlick blair, they have what it takes to democratically vote for an "islamic republic"!

[nredman]

What?

[phoenixboy]

Originally posted by eklipse:
Coincidentally, the chief priority of the guy who nominated them appears to be the security of Israel

[Face Ache]

Originally posted by ghost_flash:
I hope BUSH / BLAIR win. They deserve it
more so than the cowards that populate
FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA.

Haha! Ignorant stupid American!

[dodo_nutter]

So ghost_flash...your saying they should get the peace prize for this kind of thing?

http://www.warblogging.com/iraq-apache.mpeg

not my idea of "peace" really

Oh and what about all those countries that America has gone and 'undemocratized'?? the ones you don't get to hear about?

Sorry...i no we're (Britain) is just as bad but when 1 million people (in a country of just 60 million) march at one place at one time saying no war, and polls show over 70% of the population dont want war, then their leader still goes to war AND GETS A PEACE PRIZE FOR IT!?!?! what the hell is up with the world!?



I'm gonna go calm down now...no insult intended...except for bush and blair

[macvillage.net]

Carter truly earned it.

He did more through diplomacy to ease tensions in (and since) being in office than any other president. No question about it.

He's still at it. One of his more recent high-profile meetings was with Cuba.



I'm pretty sure Bush and Blair won't win. If they do, I think Milosevic and Bin Laden should win 2005, and 2006. All are on that level. BTW it was a Norwegian Politician who nominated them.


I think the UN was a great decision (last year, or the year before... I forget).

-----

This year, I'd consider <shocker>Bono</shocker>.

I'd personally like to see him get it. He's put about 10X more effort into the AIDS epidemic than anyone else. He's also met with world leaders, and used all his celebrity power to bring awareness to the issue.

He's done it pretty selflessly. And it's been in the works for years. He didn't just start yesterday.

So that would be my nomination. I think he deserves it.

[chabig]

Carter truly earned it.

Carter hasn't accomplished a damn thing to win the peace prize. He was awarded it as a way of protesting the United States war on terrorism. Nothing more.

Sure, he's travelled around the world and talked with many people. But what has he actually accomplished? Nothing.

Chris

[maxelson]

Originally posted by Developer:
I don't know who suggested the two for nomination, but I must say that is bold.

May I be so bold as to suggest Mr. Rove?

[maxelson]

Originally posted by chabig:
Carter hasn't accomplished a damn thing to win the peace prize. He was awarded it as a way of protesting the United States war on terrorism. Nothing more.

Sure, he's travelled around the world and talked with many people. But what has he actually accomplished? Nothing.

Chris

OK. SO you don't like Carter. Established. But for you to say he hasn't earned a peace prize?
That's just absurd. Only slightly less absurd than the notion that someone would nominate Bush/ Blair.

You better get to supporting that assertion. Objectively. No partisan crap.

[macvillage.net]

Originally posted by chabig:
Carter hasn't accomplished a damn thing to win the peace prize. He was awarded it as a way of protesting the United States war on terrorism. Nothing more.

Sure, he's travelled around the world and talked with many people. But what has he actually accomplished? Nothing.

Chris

Well he's eased tensions between many countries (mostly US->someone). Without bloodshed.

If that doesn't count. What does the Nobel peace prize mean?

[chabig]

I have more respect for Carter's involvement with Habitat for Humanity than for his international interventions.

But the peace prize is awarded to one who "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

So by that definition, you don't have to achieve peace, just work toward it. Carter deserved it by that definition.

Chris

[Ayelbourne]

Originally posted by chabig:
But the peace prize is awarded to one who "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

Heh. And by what torturous contortion of the imagination has President Bush met those requirements? You might be able to sell the peace congress bit (it doesn't stipulate anything about success rate), but utter failure to meet the first two criteria would seem to let him out of the running straightaway.



edit: "You" in the figurative, not the specific.

[GG Allin]

The Nobel Peace Prize has been sullied before.

Henry Kissinger aka "The Evil F**k" won it in 1973 for killing a million or so Vietamese.

There is/was an appeal to revoke it.

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1211-04.htm

[Millennium]

In other news, it's not Opposite Day!

[kindbud]

That's right, kids. Sitting on your butt and moving your lips won't get you a peace prize.

You actually have to DO SOMETHING.

Words, it seems, are weak and powerless. And are held in high regard by weak and powerless people.

[Lerkfish]

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU

[Ayelbourne]

Originally posted by kindbud:
Words, it seems, are weak and powerless. And are held in high regard by weak and powerless people.

Happily, you could not possibly be more mistaken.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU

Thanks for the reminder, big brother.

[maxelson]

It is good to be reminded. We need to be reminded of so many things. We Americans are experts at forgetting. Makes us all warm and cozy.

[Shaddim]

Originally posted by chabig:
I have more respect for Carter's involvement with Habitat for Humanity than for his international interventions.

But the peace prize is awarded to one who "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."

So by that definition, you don't have to achieve peace, just work toward it. Carter deserved it by that definition.

Chris

No offense to Mr. Carter, I've met him and he seems to be a great guy, but you obviously have never been in one of the "homes" they build. To say they're questionable is being generous. I know of several that are literally falling down after only 5-10 years.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No offense to Mr. Carter, I've met him and he seems to be a great guy, but you obviously have never been in one of the "homes" they build. To say they're questionable is being generous. I know of several that are literally falling down after only 5-10 years.

One of the biggest cornerstones of the habitat for humanity concept is that the people who reside in the home are responsible in part for both its construction or rehabilitation and its eventual upkeep.

just FYI

our church was directly involved in several homes in the project locally.

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
One of the biggest cornerstones of the habitat for humanity concept is that the people who reside in the home are responsible in part for both its construction or rehabilitation and its eventual upkeep.

just FYI

our church was directly involved in several homes in the project locally.

The Habitat for Humanity is one of the
greatest efforts and successes, IMHO.

Giving people a chance at owning their
homes for the first time is one of the
greatest gifts one can give.

To quote Martha Steward
who by-the-way had
nothing to do with
this topic.

"It's a good thing."

[maxelson]

Originally posted by MacNStein:
No offense to Mr. Carter, I've met him and he seems to be a great guy, but you obviously have never been in one of the "homes" they build. To say they're questionable is being generous. I know of several that are literally falling down after only 5-10 years.

I'd say that was a bit of a fluke. Hope it is, anyway. I know of more than several which are more than fine. I have been in more than a few. Involved, even. I know many contractor types in my area who donate their time and expertise and say the same thing. Not saying that a lack of quality cannot exist. I am merely objecting to the broad generalization. The house will be as good as the effort and dedication.

[boots]

Originally posted by chabig:
\But the peace prize is awarded to one who "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations...."

He's certainly done a lot to unite countries against the US...


I will say that his road map in the middle east was ground breaking in that it actually included a 2-state solution. That alone is bold enough. Of course, it hasn't happened yet, but......

[boots]

Originally posted by macvillage.net:
This year, I'd consider <shocker>Bono</shocker>.

confession time:

I immediately thought, "What the hell did Sunny Bono do....He's not even alive anymore!"


I'm getting to f�cking old.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by boots:
confession time:

I immediately thought, "What the hell did Sunny Bono do....He's not even alive anymore!"


I'm getting to f�cking old.

Don't feel bad, any teenager nowadays would say "Bono who?" to either one.

[maxelson]

Nah. They'd think the lead singer for U2 has a silly first name.

[BoomStick]

If Arafat can win it in 1994 anyone can.

I vote for Mugabe this year.

Carter was a nuclear submarine scientist, he helped work on projects that have the ability to deliver hell to your doorstep.

[maxelson]

And that is a bad thing for you? So you agree, then, that Bush/ Blair should be the last people on earth who deserve a nomination.

[deedar]

Originally posted by Lerkfish:
Don't feel bad, any teenager nowadays would say "Bono who?" to either one.

That ought to make him feel even worse!

[BoomStick]

Originally posted by maxelson:
And that is a bad thing for you? So you agree, then, that Bush/ Blair should be the last people on earth who deserve a nomination.

Revoke Arafat's and I might be able to agree.
They only gave it to him to placate terrorists.


It didn't work.


Carter didn't deserve his for helping with the nuclear hell boats.

[thunderous_funker]

Name one single nation where Bush or Blair has established peace.

[theolein]

Is there a Nobel prize for manipulation?

[boots]

Originally posted by theolein:
Is there a Nobel prize for manipulation?

Unfortunately no. And you'll notice that there isn't one for mathematics either.

A mathematician I talked to told me Nobel's wife ran off with a mathematician. I never bothered to do any research to confirm it, but it's a funny story whether or not it's true.

[FeLiZeCaT]

you may be aware of it but then, if not:

"Saddam Hussein gradually increased his power in the Ba'ath Party and when Ahmad Hasan al-Bakr retired in July 1979, he became the new president. In the next few months Saddam Hussein swiftly executed his political rivals. Increasing oil revenues allowed him to increase spending on the building of schools, hospitals and clinics. He also established a literacy project that won him a Unesco award."

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/IRQsaddam.htm


Dictators are so busy doing good, doing bad, etc.

[Ayelbourne]

Originally posted by boots:
Unfortunately no. And you'll notice that there isn't one for mathematics either.

A mathematician I talked to told me Nobel's wife ran off with a mathematician. I never bothered to do any research to confirm it, but it's a funny story whether or not it's true.

That's actually a myth, although there is no official known reason why there is no prize for mathematics. It is thought that Nobel didn't want to compete with the already-extant mathematics prize endowed by Swedish King Oscar II

Others think Nobel simply wasn't that interested in mathematics.

[Developer]

Originally posted by boots:
There isn't one for mathematics either.

That is because mathematics is just an ancillary science.

[boots]

Originally posted by Developer:
That is because mathematics is just an ancillary science.

Hehehe

[itai195]

Originally posted by Developer:
That is because mathematics is just an ancillary science.

Don't tell that to any mathematicians

[ghost_flash]

Originally posted by itai195:
Don't tell that to any mathematicians

How about I tell them of the Nobel Award
of Math?

http://www.cecm.sfu.ca/personal/jbor...lds03_talk.pdf

Enjoy all mathematicians! Rejoice!

[DeathToWindows]

Death vomits on his keyboard.

Since WHEN does invading another country under false pretenses and governing your own with pseudo-totalitarian laws count as "working towards fraternity between nations"?

Gah!

Bush can go boil his head! Or, if they're dumb enough to give it to the waste of carbon that is our president, can someone throttle him with it?

[maxelson]

Originally posted by BoomStick:
Revoke Arafat's and I might be able to agree.
They only gave it to him to placate terrorists.


It didn't work.


Carter didn't deserve his for helping with the nuclear hell boats.

I think you need to go back and examine his record. Tell you what. Since ME saying it will do nothing, why don't you tell me why he got the peace prize? Not your idea of why, but the stated reason he did.

[Lerkfish]

Originally posted by maxelson:
I think you need to go back and examine his record. Tell you what. Since ME saying it will do nothing, why don't you tell me why he got the peace prize? Not your idea of why, but the stated reason he did.

apparently selectively edited memory cards have been handed out.

Camp David accordths ringin' a bell? (/Sid the Sloth)