[nforcer]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

The selection in Safari 1.3 is way better than 1.2.

Can you show an instance where it is better? Just about everything I have tried shows it is worse.

[cSurfr]

8.67 secs here for the test. Not bad at all.

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by nforcer

Can you show an instance where it is better? Just about everything I have tried shows it is worse.

When I used to select text in Safari, I'd often miss a letter or two at one end of the selected text. This no longer happens. With Safari 1.3, the text I try to select is the text I get. It's a huge improvement.

[Weyland-Yutani]

After moving English to the top in International, Safari 1.3 works

It is faster. A lot faster!

[siMac]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Text in maps.google.com is now all screwy.

Note the small grey word...

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaddock

I just read the update at Dave Hyatt's website, and was impressed to learn that inline rich text editing is now part of Safari. CMS developers are going to love this!

I was glad to hear it, and particularly that they're supporting the de-facto standard designMode as well as the less-compatible but more-hyped contentEditable.

However, don't get your hopes up just yet. I've been looking at in-browser rich-text editors, and so far quite a few of them break completely under Safari 1.3. These will need to be updated to detect WebKit versions 312 or above and apply designMode to these, but not to older versions.

[Eug Wanker]

If anyone decides to do the BenchJS testing on their 10.3.8/Safari 1.2 machine, please check the results of Test 7 from 2038 on. According to the results in 10.3.9/Safari 1.3, every Xmas after 2037 occurs on a Friday.

I can't test 10.3.8 cuz all my machines have already been upgraded to 10.3.9.

P.S. How do in-browser RTF editors work?

[fisherKing]

speed is nice! (altho means i have to learn to type faster... )

everytime i open "show all bookmarks" safari crashes
(this happened BEFORE i installed pithhelmet)


any ideas??

[Macrat]

Indeed it much speedier, here are my results on a Tibook 667:

Safari 1.2.4: 120 sec.
Safari 1.3: 16 sec.
Firefox: 45 sec.
G4 optimized Firefox: 28 sec.
Internet Exploder: 82 sec.

[AKcrab]

Safari is faster on that java test.
BUT
I've not found it any faster than using an optimized firefox build for "regular old" surfing. In fact, safari "feels" slower to me.
$0.02

[TETENAL]

Originally Posted by AKcrab

Safari is faster on that java test.

That test is a JavaScript test.

[Eug Wanker]

Hmmm... For some reason Safari crashes now with I try to drag a bookmark out of the bookmark bar. This feature was working fine in Safari 1.3 yesterday, and in Safari 1.2 the day before.

[Russian Mac fan]

Originally Posted by fisherKing

speed is nice! (altho means i have to learn to type faster... )

everytime i open "show all bookmarks" safari crashes
(this happened BEFORE i installed pithhelmet)


any ideas??

I have the same problem

[Russian Mac fan]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Hmmm... For some reason Safari crashes now with I try to drag a bookmark out of the bookmark bar. This feature was working fine in Safari 1.3 yesterday, and in Safari 1.2 the day before.

Same here

[Big Mac]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

Hmmm... For some reason Safari crashes now with I try to drag a bookmark out of the bookmark bar. This feature was working fine in Safari 1.3 yesterday, and in Safari 1.2 the day before.

No problem here. So you can't drag the default bookmarks out?

[AKcrab]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

That test is a JavaScript test.

OMG! My whole comment is null and void!

[Appleman]

Don't wanna be rude, and YES, I really love the speedbump Safari has gotten, but the new Firefox 1.0.3 is still a bit faster, at least it looks like it. Haven't tried with a stopwatch, maybe I should run a benchmark, but I never really believed in it, since they can be tweaked as any other software I think?

[RevEvs]

Ive found that Camino/Firefox/Safari are now so near in speed that I simply choose which one I want to use by my preference to that particular app, and not the redering speed any more. I did a stopwatch test (after emptying all caches) on firefox/camino/safari on how fast they could open my tab group of 8 or so websites/fora, each one was pretty much the exact same, within a second oir two - and thats probably just me being slow on the stopwatch.

anyway - the faster the better

[mac15]

Originally Posted by Appleman

Don't wanna be rude, and YES, I really love the speedbump Safari has gotten, but the new Firefox 1.0.3 is still a bit faster, at least it looks like it. Haven't tried with a stopwatch, maybe I should run a benchmark, but I never really believed in it, since they can be tweaked as any other software I think?

Its more a visual defect with Safari - the progress bar in the location bar makes Safari feels slow, Even though it benches incredibly.

[Millennium]

Originally Posted by Millennium

I was glad to hear it, and particularly that they're supporting the de-facto standard designMode as well as the less-compatible but more-hyped contentEditable.

However, don't get your hopes up just yet. I've been looking at in-browser rich-text editors, and so far quite a few of them break completely under Safari 1.3. These will need to be updated to detect WebKit versions 312 or above and apply designMode to these, but not to older versions.

As an update to my previous post: it looks like this is not just a browser-sniffing issue. Something is, in fact, seriously wrong with designMode support in Safari 1.3.

[OwlBoy]

Thats in 2.0.

-Owl

[Eug Wanker]

21.51 seconds on Firefox 1.0 on Windows 2000, with a P4 1.6.

However, it seems that Test 7 is working correctly on Firefox, unlike both Safari 1.2 and Safari 1.3.

[jay3ld]

does anyone remeber that name of the probram that will moddify the google search so you can do like google images and search this site right from it? i forgot it and i think i threw it away with my old safari

[elementality]

Safari crashes for me everytime on startup. I had SafariStand and Saft installed, which I assume has caused the problem. However, I've deleted both of those applications, deleted all preference files, and reinstalled using the Combo Updater several times and I still can't even get Safari to boot.

[Russian Mac fan]

Originally Posted by jay3ld

does anyone remeber that name of the probram that will moddify the google search so you can do like google images and search this site right from it? i forgot it and i think i threw it away with my old safari

Butler's search engines http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/12170

[Mike Pither]

I can't get the page below to load the embded pdf in safari, it works in all other browsers (omniweb / camino / firefox etc). Is the something special that I need to do?

http://www.lastampa.it/_WEB/_SERVIZI...ammiTV/pdf.asp

[jay3ld]

Originally Posted by elementality

Safari crashes for me everytime on startup. I had SafariStand and Saft installed, which I assume has caused the problem. However, I've deleted both of those applications, deleted all preference files, and reinstalled using the Combo Updater several times and I still can't even get Safari to boot.

heres what i did
when it crashed the window poped up saying it crashed.
I clicked send report.
i went though the bottom part and found out SIMBL was causing it.

so i would do that and find out what external thing is crashing your safari.

[Gankdawg]

Safari now shows your download speed and time remaining (in the Downloads window). No need to option-click to get that info anymore!

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by Eug Wanker

21.51 seconds on Firefox 1.0 on Windows 2000, with a P4 1.6.

However, it seems that Test 7 is working correctly on Firefox, unlike both Safari 1.2 and Safari 1.3.

I just tried IE 5.2 on OS X as well. It completes Test 7 correctly too (although the overall bench is slow, at 64.9 seconds on a TiBook 1 GHz).

This Xmas day calculation bug seems to be unique to Safari, including 1.2, 1.3, and apparently 2.0 as well.

P.S. Here's a great way to crash Safari... I found this in the comments in Dave Hyatt's blog.

Go to Wild360.com and click on "(More...)". Safari crashes every time.

[Sarc]

someone bench it against opera 8 please.

[Big Mac]

Is the Copy Image (to clipboard) contextual menu command broken for anyone else? For me it is only copying the URL. Oh well, can't have everything. . .

[Eug Wanker]

Google emailed me back about my bug report for maps.google.com. They say it's now fixed for Safari 1.3. (I can't check since I don't have a Mac with me.)

[Thinine]

They sent me an email too, since I reported the same issue. It is fixed now, and works better than before (when it worked).

[JLL]

Originally Posted by Sarc

someone bench it against opera 8 please.

Look for the name lunddal:





I also tested Safari and it's on a DP2.5GHz PM.

[IronPen]

SafariStand (http://macupdate.com/info.php/id/16687) - disable favicons, disable animated GIFs, add image resizing, enable address bar searching of Google, MacUpdate, Amazon, and more...very useful and free. Then download the ad-blocking CSS from the Web (http://www.floppymoose.com/) or use Camino's and dump Pith Helmet. I'm not trying to put PH down, it's just that you get these other replacements for free and they don't slow Safari to a crawl.

[Sarc]

Originally Posted by JLL

Look for the name lunddal:

I also tested Safari and it's on a DP2.5GHz PM.

thx for the benches.

[Meteo]

Originally Posted by Mike Pither

I can't get the page below to load the embded pdf in safari, it works in all other browsers (omniweb / camino / firefox etc). Is the something special that I need to do?

http://www.lastampa.it/_WEB/_SERVIZI...ammiTV/pdf.asp

try pdfplugin form Manfred Schubert
great product even on my imac 400
http://www.schubert-it.com

[WJMoore]

Originally Posted by nforcer

It still has a debug menu, which means it still has debug code, which means it is not as snappy as it could be

Whilst I'm aware you're joking your comment raises an interesting point. I think it could be a good idea for there to be a (visible) preference to enable an "Advanced" menu or "Web Developer" menu since some of the functions are particularly useful for more than just debugging purposes.

[Mike Pither]

Originally Posted by Meteo

try pdfplugin form Manfred Schubert
great product even on my imac 400
http://www.schubert-it.com

I am already using it and it works fine in Omniweb and Firefox but nothing loads in Safari. I don't know weather Safari tries to use the Acrobat plugin or the Schubert one, it's difficult to know as it isn' t loading anything. It simply says "This operation is not allowed"

[Mike Pither]

Found the solution now, I removed the acrobat plugin, in Safari it created a conflict leaving me without a working plugin. Don't know why it caused a problem only in Safari but...........

[monkeybrain]

Originally Posted by jay3ld

does anyone remeber that name of the probram that will moddify the google search so you can do like google images and search this site right from it? i forgot it and i think i threw it away with my old safari

I think you mean acid search: http://www.pozytron.com/acidsearch

On another note, does anyone find Safari using loads of ram? It seems to use over 100 MB after a few minutes use. Did it always do this? I'm trying it our after using Camino for ages, I thought that was a ram-hog, by using about 70 MB.

[Appleman]

Originally Posted by Mike Pither

Found the solution now, I removed the acrobat plugin, in Safari it created a conflict leaving me without a working plugin. Don't know why it caused a problem only in Safari but...........

Safari did this before the update when you had Acrobat installed,
as it had a conflict with Preview I guess. There was no way to tell Safari to use Acrobat instead of Preview, or the other way around. Deleting Acrobat was the best thing to do. Preview is faster anyway. But I can understand that some people want or need Acrobat for whatever reason, I don't. To me it sucks.

[Noonster]

I must admit over the last few months i have been using firefox as it has been much faster than safari... however after seeing these results i am impressed.

Now its the fastest browser on planet earth

Move over firefox - bring my safari back when i get tiger

[Eug Wanker]

Posted elsewhere, about the every-Xmas-is-Friday-after-2038 bug in the BenchJS test (#7):

"Isn't 2038 the last year that can be calculated from the Epoch (Jan. 1, 1970) using a 4-byte value?"

Any comments?

[bseely]

yay! safari finally has kb/sec measurements back in the download window.

[Eug Wanker]

Java update now in Software Update, for 10.3.9.

Only 532 KB. Installed fine. No reboot required.

[TETENAL]

Huh? There's nothing in that update but a blank file.

[MartiNZ]

Originally Posted by bseely

yay! safari finally has kb/sec measurements back in the download window.

You could get them before by option-clicking where it showed the time remaining .

[Eug Wanker]

Originally Posted by TETENAL

Huh? There's nothing in that update but a blank file.

About the Java Update for Mac OS X v10.3.9

After updating to Mac OS X 10.3.9, some systems may have issues with Java applications and Java-enabled websites when using Safari. Safari may unexpectedly quit, and standalone Java applications may unexpectedly quit or not launch. This update resolves that issue.

[Eug Wanker]

Demo of Safari 1.3's editing function here.

Also, if you highlight a word on any web page and CTRL-click, you can Google search that word.