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Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 04:33 PM

What's Your Choice For Your Kid's Sex Orientation?

If you had kids and you were magically able to choose their sexual orientation in this day and age and this society, would you choose they be Gay or Straight?

What's Your Choice For Your Kid's Sex Orientation?

Gay or Straight?

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 04:34 PM

I'd be curious why a straight person would choose gay.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I'd be curious why a straight person would choose gay.

Because the straight world is teh oppressor of gays or something. Same reason progressives protest/loathe/hate/criticize America.

Gossamer · Feb 7, 2007, 04:37 PM

I wish I could choose my kid's race.

paul w · Feb 7, 2007, 04:38 PM

So I'm guessing bestiality isn't an option.

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

Because the straight world is teh oppressor of gays or something. Same reason progressives protest/loathe/hate/criticize America.

Ok, now give me an answer that makes sense.

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 04:39 PM

Originally Posted by Gossamer

I wish I could choose my kid's race.

Damn right, Only chance my kid has of being an NBA player.

:dragonflypro: · Feb 7, 2007, 04:44 PM

Of all the things to worry about with a new child, I have to say this would be past the bottom of the list.

Seriously, I could care less as long as they were healthy and intelligent and grow to be a decent, reflected person.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Ok, now give me an answer that makes sense.

It hurts to try to twist my brain to think irrationally in that way. I suppose I'd have an easier time producing examples of my own brand of irrationality. But there people who have diseases that are passed down through the generations and they might like the idea of having children who won't have children.

Or something like that.

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

It hurts to try to twist my brain to think irrationally in that way. I suppose I'd have an easier time producing examples of my own brand of irrationality. But there people who have diseases that are passed down through the generations and they might like the idea of having children who won't have children.

Or something like that.

Maybe they should beat genetics to the punch and not have a kid themselves, or maybe just adopt?

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by :dragonflypro:

Of all the things to worry about with a new child, I have to say this would be past the bottom of the list.

Seriously, I could care less as long as they were healthy and intelligent and grow to be a decent, reflected person.

So, if you could choose your child's sexual orientation you would choose: Gay, Straight or Flip a Coin?

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 04:47 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Maybe they should beat genetics to the punch and not have a kid themselves, or maybe just adopt?

May be.

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

May be.

I can see you and I will be getting along famously.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 04:51 PM

I love the poll graphic. The center choice is a long purple shaft and the first and third choices are little round multi-coloured orbs.

I wish I could say I predicted this. It just happened. Funny.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I can see you and I will be getting along famously.

Like famous Amos?

So, which of us would be the rich black man and who would be the tasty cookie he pimps out to America?

Or is that not what you had in mind?

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 04:55 PM

Case in point.

Edit: shades of marden for some reason

centerchannel68 · Feb 7, 2007, 04:59 PM

I don't want my kids to get aids, and only gay people have aids, right?

Railroader · Feb 7, 2007, 05:07 PM

Straight.

climber · Feb 7, 2007, 05:13 PM

How about "their choice"... cause I certainly don't want to impose mine.

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by climber

How about "their choice"... cause I certainly don't want to impose mine.

OMG it's not a choice!!1

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by climber

How about "their choice"... cause I certainly don't want to impose mine.

So, if you could choose your child's sexual orientation you would choose: Gay, Straight or Flip a Coin?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 7, 2007, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

I'd be curious why a straight person would choose gay.

If I had the option I would choose gay for MYSELF if I got the option.

I have heard quite a few couples mention light-heartingly though that they would like a gay child for various reasons.

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 05:21 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

If I had the option I would choose gay for MYSELF if I got the option.

Right, but you're not straight, so that doesn't apply to my question at all.

paul w · Feb 7, 2007, 05:22 PM

Why not just perfectly Bisexual or is that gonna be poopooed as a myth?

Severed Hand of Skywalker · Feb 7, 2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Right, but you're not straight, so that doesn't apply to my question at all.

Well that might be because it doesn't make any sense to begin with.

Oisín · Feb 7, 2007, 05:22 PM

I’d choose the exact same as what I would actually be doing if I were (non-hypothetically) having a child: flip a coin.

Okay, that didn’t make sense. Let me rephrase. If I were able to choose, I’d flip a coin, which is basically what you do when you actually do have a child: you let it rest upon chance, the result being... whatever it will be, as time and chance (and Providence, if you believe that) decide for you.

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 05:22 PM

Originally Posted by Severed Hand of Skywalker

Well that might be because it doesn't make any sense to begin with.

Ok, how does it not make any sense?

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Right, but you're not straight, so that doesn't apply to my question at all.

Uh, excuse me but I asked first. After he answers my interroGAYtions then it's your turn, I promise!

climber · Feb 7, 2007, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

So, if you could choose your child's sexual orientation you would choose: Gay, Straight or Flip a Coin?

The point is I don't get to choose, nor would I want to if I could.

Chuckit · Feb 7, 2007, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by paul w

Why not just perfectly Bisexual or is that gonna be poopooed as a myth?

Nobody liikes bisexuals. They are unanimously agreed to be either gays or straights in denial.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by climber

The point is I don't get to choose, nor would I want to if I could.

I'm pleased to see some folks here are well grounded in reality. But let's just play pretend.

If you had kids and you were magically able to choose their sexual orientation in this day and age and this society, would you choose they be Gay or Straight or Just Flip a Coin?

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

Uh, excuse me but I asked first. After he answers my interroGAYtions then it's your turn, I promise!

That's nice dear.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

That's nice dear.

Let ours be known as a relationship for the ages!

Or is that for the aged?

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 05:48 PM

Your quality of humor reminds me of marden too. Stop it, oh god, stop it.

climber · Feb 7, 2007, 05:54 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

I'm pleased to see some folks here are well grounded in reality. But let's just play pretend.

I got your point, but I am not sure you got mine. The first two choices to me seem to ask if your kid was gay do you wish you could make the straight?, or if they were straight would you make them gay? I find the idea of changing who they are based on even my limited prejudices outright offensive.

The third option just leaves it up to fate. It still eliminates the kids choosing for themselves, or being they person they were born to be. I don't like that one either.

The other problem with the third choice is the math. I have three boys. A coin flip would most certainly mean one of them is gonna be gay

volcano · Feb 7, 2007, 06:10 PM

Originally Posted by paul w

Why not just perfectly Bisexual or is that gonna be poopooed as a myth?

Every gay person at some point says they're a bisexual simply because they're not fully comfortable with the "gay" or "lesbian" label yet. My friend Leslie always says: "Bi means: bye bye! I'm off to take the train to gayville and never come back!" haha.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 06:13 PM

Originally Posted by climber

I got your point, but I am not sure you got mine. The first two choices to me seem to ask if your kid was gay do you wish you could make the straight?, or if they were straight would you make them gay? I find the idea of changing who they are based on even my limited prejudices outright offensive.

The third option just leaves it up to fate. It still eliminates the kids choosing for themselves, or being they person they were born to be. I don't like that one either.

The other problem with the third choice is the math. I have three boys. A coin flip would most certainly mean one of them is gonna be gay

Well, you certainly know how to pack a punch! (A good thing!

) Yes. I did not get your point. Thanks for the illuminating follow up.

I know you are rightfully happy and proud of your sons just as they are.

My question was posed to take this question out of the realm of the possible and just deal with the possibilities of a FUTURE child. A child where it was possible, no, necessary for you to make a choice between Gay, Straight or (instead of "flip a coin" which opens up a MacNN-ian set of choices I have no interest in discussing, I'll substitute this) Natural selection. (the way it is now)

So, let's talk about a hypothetical fourth child. You must choose that child's sexual orientation. Your three choices are: Gay, Straight or to leave the choice to those forces which govern sexual orientation today.

I take it you believe one chooses his or her own sexual orientation, so that means this child would be able to choose or have it be something he or she is born with, whatever the way it is decided today, with option #3.

So, AGAIN (

)...

Would you choose 1, 2 or 3?

Gossamer · Feb 7, 2007, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Case in point.

Edit: shades of marden for some reason

I'm getting that vibe too.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

Your quality of humor reminds me of marden too. Stop it, oh god, stop it.

That's nice dear.

climber · Feb 7, 2007, 06:21 PM

(4) four

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by climber

(4) four

Even after I tried to clarify choice #3 to be what you want it to be, i.e. the way it is done today, you chose a 4th option.

Interesting.

centerchannel68 · Feb 7, 2007, 06:32 PM

This question is weird.... who wouldn't want their genes passed on? Isn't that the point of life, sorta?

invisibleX · Feb 7, 2007, 06:33 PM

Why would anyone pick gay or straight? You'll either (a) Impose your prejudices on the child or (b) Pretend to make a rational choice. Neither is very attractive when you weigh the options. The reality of it is that the question doesn't really matter because you'll still have much the same number of gays/straights.

The real question then is why would you ask the question?

climber · Feb 7, 2007, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

Even after I tried to clarify choice #3 to be what you want it to be, i.e. the way it is done today, you chose a 4th option.

Interesting.

I think I did answer it. I was just having fun.

I have no clear idea why some people are gay and some are not. Biological or cultural...it really does not matter. I am fine with letting that process decide the orientation. If that is a "flip of a coin" by god, then so be it.

Clearer??

Dakar² · Feb 7, 2007, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by Eynstyn

That's nice dear.

As original, too.

climber · Feb 7, 2007, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by invisibleX

Why would anyone pick gay or straight? You'll either (a) Impose your prejudices on the child or (b) Pretend to make a rational choice. Neither is very attractive when you weigh the options. The reality of it is that the question doesn't really matter because you'll still have much the same number of gays/straights.

The real question then is why would you ask the question?

The point is if you would impose your values/prejudices. As in your option (a).

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by climber

I think I did answer it. I was just having fun.

I have no clear idea why some people are gay and some are not. Biological or cultural...it really does not matter. I am fine with letting that process decide the orientation. If that is a "flip of a coin" by god, then so be it.

Clearer??

Yes. Thanks for being patient.

Eynstyn · Feb 7, 2007, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Dakar²

As original, too.

Marden would have cut and pasted your reply.

Oisín · Feb 7, 2007, 06:45 PM

Every gay person at some point says they're a bisexual simply because they're not fully comfortable with the "gay" or "lesbian" label yet.

No.

Timo · Feb 7, 2007, 06:47 PM

I'm not sure what the OP's intent is. For now anyway, we cannot choose a child's sexual orientation, and the idea we could is morally repugnant.

Pressing the question begs a larger one, that is, if I were magically able to do such a thing, there are any number of other things I would do instead, magically.