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Saw it last night. It’s the weakest movie of the new batch but still had its moments. I’ll be glad once the series can continue free of the baggage of the original movies. Probably why I enjoyed Rogue One the best.
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It’s hard for me to rank them. The Force Awakens had a problem with unrealized potential. Rogue One had characters I couldn’t stand.
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Let’s just say the only movie I’d have interest in revisiting soon is Rogue One, if for nothing else than its nice self-contained package and amazing Vader scene.
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The best part of either movie is in Rogue One, but for me it’s not Vader, it’s putting all the fifth-string action figures I used to have firefights with... in Vietnam.
All the porno ‘staches get an honorable mention.
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I loved it. It wasn't the Godfather, but a very enjoyable two hours or so.
My only issue was the whole casino subplot- it could have been cut entirely.
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Let me add a few things to that. I don't know if we are going to get answers to some big questions in the next one- but for now I'm so pleased that we don't know who Snoke is or what his story is. We don't know who Rey's parents are and it doesn't matter. Not everything needs an origin story and not everything needs to be interconnected. Some times a bad guy is just a bad guy and a hero is just a hero. Loved that. Also loved the fact that Phasma is the Boba Fett of the new trilogy- lots of hype and no payoff- almost wonder if that was very intentional.
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I’m meh on it. Not sure why. Feels like high-budget fan fiction.
I’m hoping we get to see what Lucas was planning for this trilogy, at some point... especially since Disney isn’t using any of his ideas AFAIK.
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One thing I really appreciated in this movie was the music.
I'm getting really really tired of the music in most superhero/comic-book movies. The low bassy sounds, the "epic" horns playing long tones, all the percussion drum whacks. It's fine, but it all kind of sounds the same after a while - you could pretty much just recycle the music from any of these sorts of movies and nobody would notice a thing. In Last Jedi not only did you get Star Wars-y music, but the John Williams use of recurring motifs, and use of instruments playing actual content rather than pyrotechnics and sounds (i.e. the aforementioned effects) was swell.
You kind of take it for granted after a while, but it adds a massive dimension. It will be a sad day when John Williams retires.
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Rian cut to the soundtrack vs. temp audio, which helps.
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Didn't know that.... Maybe that sort of operatic approach should be utilized more often in cinema then?
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Originally Posted by Brien
I’m meh on it. Not sure why. Feels like high-budget fan fiction.
I’m hoping we get to see what Lucas was planning for this trilogy, at some point... especially since Disney isn’t using any of his ideas AFAIK.
Haven’t seen it yet, but this is just a reminder that George Lucas re-released Episodes 4-6 with “additional scenes” and then wrote and directed Episodes 1-3. Also, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. He owns four of the most disappointing big-budget action movies of the 2000s. His ideas were extremely terrible and these past three Star Wars movies, while not perfect, have clearly been waaaaay better than anything George Lucas could ever have produced.
Let’s all keep that in mind before wishing for George Lucas.
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Hell yeah.
I enjoyed Episode VIII tremendously.
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We saw it last night, and while we had fun with some plot nitpicking, we all enjoyed it.
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Originally Posted by Paco500
I loved it. It wasn't the Godfather, but a very enjoyable two hours or so.
My only issue was the whole casino subplot- it could have been cut entirely.
i wonder if we might expect to see Del Toro's character again in Episode 9 or beyond.
While I thought the music was perfectly fine, none of the new ones have matched Duel of the Fates yet, arguably the best part of ep 1.
I wasn't overly impressed with the lightsaber combat. Could do better.
I was really impressed at the end when they didn't kill Luke. Then they killed Luke.
I've always wondered why Sith Lords take apprentices for the reasons spelled out by both sides in this movie. They will only surpass/betray their masters.
We need a sexy female Sith. SW is lacking a femme fatale.
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Above and beyond any plot issues ( yes, loose the entire casino section), Star Wars completely owns the use of excellent female characters award. Extremely well done.
The actual film, less so.
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i still think the Empire/1st Order/Dark Side is a little light on the lady front. Otherwise you're correct, the rebels have lots of ace girls, though now I think, plenty of generals and soldiers, not so many pilots.
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While it had problems, I liked it more than the first two.
I can see how serious Star Wars types dislike it. It pretty consciously separates itself from what came before.
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Waragainstsleep - They need cannon fodder. Or is it laser fodder.
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Originally Posted by subego
Ewww.
I mean, it was (deliberately) "eww" in the movie, already (the milking/drinking bit, not bathroom-Kylo), but…
Eww.
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Unrelated to got milk...
Do these ships in the Rebel fleet not come with autopilot?
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Originally Posted by subego
Unrelated to got milk...
Do these ships in the Rebel fleet not come with autopilot?
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Shouldn’t one of them pilot the out of fuel ships?
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Do out of fuel ships even need to be piloted?
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I saw it the Saturday after it was released, and I enjoyed it tremendously.
I very much appreciated the new direction it tried to take when it came to the Force. That added a lot of nuance. In fact, Rey and Kylo Ren were treated almost on an equal footing here. You know much more about him than we knew about Darth Vader at this s point. That was just great.
I also liked the way they have woven in the cost of short-term heroism into the story.
What made less sense to me was how small the Rebel Alliance has become. In The Force Awakens it seemed that the balanc had tipped in the Rebellion’s favor, but here their entire fleet was decimated and all that was left fit on the Millennium Falcon.
Some of the Indiana Jones-esque humor was also out of place.
Lastly, the story was a bit haphazardly thrown together. Why didn’t they sacrifice the flag ship earlier and rescued tens of ships in the process? Why didn’t they ask droids to pilot the ship?
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Originally Posted by subego
Unrelated to got milk...
Do these ships in the Rebel fleet not come with autopilot?
Even remote pilot, like a drone.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie
I saw it the Saturday after it was released, and I enjoyed it tremendously.
I very much appreciated the new direction it tried to take when it came to the Force. That added a lot of nuance. In fact, Rey and Kylo Ren were treated almost on an equal footing here. You know much more about him than we knew about Darth Vader at this s point. That was just great.
I also liked the way they have woven in the cost of short-term heroism into the story.
What made less sense to me was how small the Rebel Alliance has become. In The Force Awakens it seemed that the balanc had tipped in the Rebellion’s favor, but here their entire fleet was decimated and all that was left fit on the Millennium Falcon.
Some of the Indiana Jones-esque humor was also out of place.
Lastly, the story was a bit haphazardly thrown together. Why didn’t they sacrifice the flag ship earlier and rescued tens of ships in the process? Why didn’t they ask droids to pilot the ship?
i wasn't too thrilled with the rebellion being reduced to a couple of hundred or so either but my suspicion is there will be a gap of a number of years now until episode 9 and the rebellion will end up as an even more underground movement.
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I don't mind it in terms of a story, albeit I enjoyed that both sides were at each other on a more even footing — not completely, the odds may still be stacked against them — but not in the sense that <30 people remain.
I am fairly sure they had the trilogy roughly plotted out, but I am not sure where the Rebellion goes from here.
Another thing I found odd is that so many lose ends were closed — Who were Rey's parents? What will happen to Snoke? Will Rey get Luke Skywalker's lightsaber? Will Luke Skywalker join the fight? The only thing they didn't do, weirdly enough, is kill off General Leia.
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I feel they implied who her parents are, but didn’t set it in stone.
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Do we know who Rey's parents are though? It all depends on if you think Kylo Ren had good intel that her parents were space trash. We know Snoke lied to him about other things, and sent bad visions... but it seems pretty definite now that Ren and Rey are not siblings. Leia would have known, you'd think, considering twins ran in the family. The Luke's kid theory is also blasted out of the water.
I liked elements of the casino scene but had to handwave their entire reasons for going there (do they not have messaging services to reach this leet thief?). It was nice to have a change of scenery from slowmotion chasescene though.
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Originally Posted by OreoCookie
Will Rey get Luke Skywalker's lightsaber?
If memory serves, and it may not, Rey lost the saber she was using and is thus without one by the end of TLJ. It is a Jedi rite of passage to build your own though. One assumes she can get the plans online somewhere. The Jedi's Cookbook or whatever.
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Originally Posted by Waragainstsleep
If memory serves, and it may not, Rey lost the saber she was using and is thus without one by the end of TLJ. It is a Jedi rite of passage to build your own though. One assumes she can get the plans online somewhere. The Jedi's Cookbook or whatever.
I’m betting she builds herself a blue double-bladed saber, since she seems to prefer (and is quite proficient with) her staff.
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Originally Posted by Brien
I’m betting she builds herself a blue double-bladed saber, since she seems to prefer (and is quite proficient with) her staff.
Oddly enough, the toy rei staff I got my daughter turns out to be part of a "blade builder series" where you can attach sabers to the ends.
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Why did they keep the plan a secret from Poe? When he was told the real plan, he accepted it as a good plan, right? But because he wasn't told the plan, he launched the secret plan that accomplished nothing and got most of the escape pods shot down, right?
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Unrelated to Got Poe...
What do people think of the theory the whole Rey/Luke interaction was a ruse?
IOW, Luke planned to help all along, but needed to convince Rey he wasn’t, so he could pull off his surprise attack.
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When Luke was projecting himself, why didn't Ren notice that Luke appeared about 20 years too young? Did he project the image that Ren would recognize instead of his actual state?
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Originally Posted by Laminar
Why did they keep the plan a secret from Poe? When he was told the real plan, he accepted it as a good plan, right? But because he wasn't told the plan, he launched the secret plan that accomplished nothing and got most of the escape pods shot down, right?
As the last person on the planet to see this movie (just got back from it now), this bothered me as well. That mistake basically lost the rebels about half the transports, and it is barely touched upon.
In general...
* They used scenes from the original trilogy and then subverted them - both the Kylo Ren-Luke fight and the scene where Snoke bites the dust have a clear predecessor from an earlier movie, and both of them ended differently. They also did not do anything with Luke's underwater X-wing.
* This movie does not stand on its own - it makes no sense without the preceding movie, and it needs another movie for its ending.
* I think that Luke was supposed to die there at the end, but that that was now retconned because of Carrie Fisher's death to be more open-ended. I think they need him in the next movie for something.
* A big chunk of the plot - namely, the entire trip out to find a codebreaker - made no sense at that point in the movie. It seems put there to give Finn something to do, as he would have been cooling his heels throughout otherwise.
* Having the X-wings land in the cruisers before the jump goes against what we have seen in previous movies. The X-wings would have been flying alongside the fleet as a guard, like in ESB, which would also have killed the entire plot point of Poe's X-wing being destroyed without him in it. The only reason to do it that way is to set up the codebreaker subplot
* Luke looked a lot like Tyrion Lannister when de-aged.
* Best part of the movie was the Infinity War trailer before. The movie wasn't bad, exactly, but it lives on its musical score and by having no real weak spots. I found myself... not really caring who wins. Kylo Ren is an idiot, and he's not going to rule the galaxy for a thousand years like the Emperor might have. If he wins this time, another rebellion will rise.
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Leia should have gone out on the frozen death scene, Her floating back into the ship was frankly ridiculous. Given Fishers untimely death they had plenty of time to edit in a great end to a great character. as it is Leia will just disappear!
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This is still a kid’s movie, right?
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Originally Posted by Doc HM
Leia should have gone out on the frozen death scene, Her floating back into the ship was frankly ridiculous. Given Fishers untimely death they had plenty of time to edit in a great end to a great character. as it is Leia will just disappear!
I thought of that too but the problem is that you can't kill Leia from a random laser blast. If it was Kylo that would be one thing. They could have restructured that scene in which he did cause the explosion directly and that would have given Fisher her out, but maybe they have an idea for IX.
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Originally Posted by Doc HM
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I thought of that too
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just read story about how you can see Laura Dern pew pewing as she fires her gun.
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Originally Posted by P
As the last person on the planet to see this movie...
Incorrect. I just watched last Friday.
And I'm incredibly disappointed. I won't offer any specific opinions until I've read through the rest of the thread, but it's nearly as bad as Episode I for me.
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Originally Posted by Doc HM
just read story about how you can see Laura Dern pew pewing as she fires her gun.
Win!
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Originally Posted by Jawbone54
Incorrect. I just watched last Friday.
And I'm incredibly disappointed. I won't offer any specific opinions until I've read through the rest of the thread, but it's nearly as bad as Episode I for me.
Show us on the action figure where the Mouse touched you.
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