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Ca$h68 · Jun 12, 2002, 08:07 PM

Some jackass with a jeep was drivingin like a nimrod the other day, and I caught him at a light. I wasnt expecting him to take off, but since he did I thought I'd catch up with him. Keyword THOUGHT. I COULDN"T!!!!! So. Yeah, my respect for Jeeps went up a bit more, although I do already respect their off road prowess.... but jeez. I caught him at the next light and raced again, and stayed in front til 45mph or so (at which point I backed off), but... man. JEeps are quick. I suppose it was stacked a bit in his favor though, as I did have a full tank of gas, 3 people in my car, and two 383 cast iron exhaust manifolds in my trunk. But still, I won't scoff at Jeep performance from now on.

- Ca$h

goatnet · Jun 12, 2002, 08:20 PM

My buddy had a Nissan Pathfinder circa 1996 and we were trying to pass 2 cars ahead of us. Traffic was coming along so we decided to hold off until it cleared, only to see a Jeep GC just blow past us from behind. Even the stupid Wranglers with the I6's kick mucho ass.

climber · Jun 12, 2002, 10:02 PM

Hey Ca$h,

Speaking of Jeeps, This week I just bought a brand new Wranger to replace my Cherokee. I couldn't help but think of you when I got home and had three SUV'S in my driveway.

And yes they do have the get up and go. Almost 200hp in a light truck. (with the 4 litter I-6)

Nimisys · Jun 13, 2002, 04:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ca$h68:
Some jackass with a jeep was drivingin like a nimrod the other day, and I caught him at a light. I wasnt expecting him to take off, but since he did I thought I'd catch up with him. Keyword THOUGHT. I COULDN"T!!!!! So. Yeah, my respect for Jeeps went up a bit more, although I do already respect their off road prowess.... but jeez. I caught him at the next light and raced again, and stayed in front til 45mph or so (at which point I backed off), but... man. JEeps are quick. I suppose it was stacked a bit in his favor though, as I did have a full tank of gas, 3 people in my car, and two 383 cast iron exhaust manifolds in my trunk. But still, I won't scoff at Jeep performance from now on.

- Ca$h<hr /></blockquote>so i wasn't blowing smoke out of my ass when i say i can get the jump on a lot of cars with the jeep. having a a lot of torque down low kicks ass. no one expects it.. though past 45 to 60 the acceleration drops, not enough highend kick, but off the line they do the job well

Nimisys · Jun 13, 2002, 04:47 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by goatnet:
 Even the stupid Wranglers with the I6's kick mucho ass.<hr /></blockquote>thoughs suckers scare me.., around a 3300lb curvb weight with a 53/47 weight distribution the only thing holding them back is the aerodynamics of a garage door and a high center of gravity. 200hp is a lot of power for that smnall of a vehicle, and i like it

M�lum · Jun 13, 2002, 05:01 AM

O yeah, what a f@#cking life changing experience.

scaught · Jun 13, 2002, 08:37 AM

cherokee's are on my list for the next car i want to get after im done with this saturn lease (it was cheap). another 2 years. *sigh

cdhostage · Jun 13, 2002, 09:11 AM

Why do people do these ridiculous things?

Why can't everyone be happy with a way to get around? Never mind all of this as-fast-as-I-can ****.

BTW, I drive a 15-year-old minivan with 152,000 on it.

Nimisys · Jun 13, 2002, 01:15 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cdhostage:
Why do people do these ridiculous things?

Why can't everyone be happy with a way to get around? Never mind all of this as-fast-as-I-can ****.

BTW, I drive a 15-year-old minivan with 152,000 on it.<hr /></blockquote>cause some of us do not enjoy being stuck behind your slow ass minivan doing 60 in goddamn 65 zone wtih traffic doing 80 all around us. why should the rest of chnage our pace of life to yours?

Arty50 · Jun 13, 2002, 01:33 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Nimisys:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by goatnet:
 Even the stupid Wranglers with the I6's kick mucho ass.<hr /></blockquote>thoughs suckers scare me.., around a 3300lb curvb weight with a 53/47 weight distribution the only thing holding them back is the aerodynamics of a garage door and a high center of gravity. 200hp is a lot of power for that smnall of a vehicle, and i like it<hr /></blockquote>Nothing like driving the quickest stock 4x4 in the world.

Now, if a Wrangler is a garage door then my CJ-7 is a brick wall. But that's no suprise since I've always referred to it as such. You learn to respect the wind really quickly when you're out on the road in a Jeep. Sometimes I feel like a blown 454 wouldn't make me go any faster thanks to the wind resistance. Then again, doing 100 in a CJ is fast enough.

jholmes · Jun 13, 2002, 06:17 PM

I drove a 4 liter Cherokee for years - the suckers are geared really well for an around towner. it was actually quicker off the line than my wife's z-car. But no Jeep should ever be considered a hotrod. And I say that having owned five of 'em.

I've been dying to drop in and post a pic of my new ride - this was my birthday present to myself! Got it last weekend and I'm cruising all over.

<img src="http://www.holmesontherange.com/images/fireworks.jpg" alt=" - " />

Nimisys · Jun 14, 2002, 01:20 AM

yeah the C4's are finally falling to reasonable levels for gearheads worldwide. congrats man. any plans for the 350 in there?

RGB · Jun 14, 2002, 01:33 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by cdhostage:
Why do people do these ridiculous things?

Why can't everyone be happy with a way to get around? Never mind all of this as-fast-as-I-can ****.

BTW, I drive a 15-year-old minivan with 152,000 on it.<hr /></blockquote>First of all, I'm not sure everyone here has been brought up in an environment where having a car is considered a luxury. There are some pretty wealthy people i'm sure. And if you are going to be driving around some place, it's nice to do the driving in a vehicle that is stylish, fast, etc. Is it a necessity? No. But is a cool car nice to have? Yes, just like having a fast computer isn't a necessity, it is still nice to have.

Vanquish · Jun 14, 2002, 09:43 AM

Why do you people say that a 3300 lb car is lightweight ???!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
And that 200 bhp is a lot for a 3300 lb car ???
Man buy real cars instead of american crap-cars ! (yeah maybe they have a little more than average torque but they are NOT powerful and are the most nature unfriendly machines in the world!) and thet are SLOW IMHEPOVO (In My Humble European-Point-Of-View Opinion).

-Vanquish

Arty50 · Jun 14, 2002, 11:46 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Vanquish:
Why do you people say that a 3300 lb car is lightweight ???!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
And that 200 bhp is a lot for a 3300 lb car ???
Man buy real cars instead of american crap-cars ! (yeah maybe they have a little more than average torque but they are NOT powerful and are the most nature unfriendly machines in the world!) and thet are SLOW IMHEPOVO (In My Humble European-Point-Of-View Opinion).

-Vanquish<hr /></blockquote>OMG, not this troll again. Look, I dare you to name a car that straight off the assembly line weighs less than a Wrangler and can handle the rigors of serious off-road travel. Let's compare what you have across the pond. The only two vehicles even in the same category as the Wrangler are the Land Rover Defender 90 and the Mercedes G wagon (2 door, not the beheamoth 4 door they now sell in the States). Both of these vehicles are twice as heavy as the Wrangler and cost probably 3-4 times as much. You can build a Jeep that will walk all over those two vehicles and it would still cost you less. So don't tell me the Jeep is heavy.

Also, what's your definition of powerful? Do you expect Jeep to drop a V12 in there? For it's intended purpose, the 4.0L is the perfect engine. It's extremely stout and puts out a lot of torque. If you still don't realize that then you're an idiot. We've explained the reasoning behind this a million times, so now you've transcended ignorance and moved on into stupidity (stupidity being the acceptance of an ignorant belief despite contradictory evidence).

[ 06-14-2002, 03:06 PM: Message edited by: Arty50 ]

jholmes · Jun 14, 2002, 02:29 PM

Vanquish -

See the car in my post? 300 bhp at the rear wheels. 0-60 in a heartbeat. 28 mpg. Yes, 28 mpg. 150mph top speed. It REQUIRES ZR rated (149+) tires. I paid less than 20 grand (considerably less) for a pristine used with 26,000 miles.

Bring ANYTHING from Europe over with those specs for that price.

Anything.

Anything at all.

Really. Any car at all...

<crickets chirping>

Nimisys - She's got a few mods to it - a cat back exhaust system and a Lingenfelter air intake with three K&N filters. Also has a short throw Hurst shifter that is really sweet. And a nice Kenwood stereo. I might rework the throttle body assembly and look at a Hypertech chip, but there really not much internally I'd want to play with right now. She's plenty powerful.

Besides, I figure I'll be spending most of my extra cash on tires - the 17" ZR-315-35s on the back are damn pricey.

climber · Jun 14, 2002, 05:00 PM

Back in the mid 70's I had a CJ5 with the 304 V8. With that combo if you were a little brave you could drop the clutch hard at max RPM and lift the front wheels off the ground.

It was also kinda wild to light up all four wheels in a very short drag.

[ 06-14-2002, 05:04 PM: Message edited by: climber ]

Arty50 · Jun 14, 2002, 06:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by climber:
Back in the mid 70's I had a CJ5 with the 304 V8. With that combo if you were a little brave you could drop the clutch hard at max RPM and lift the front wheels off the ground.

It was also kinda wild to light up all four wheels in a very short drag.<hr /></blockquote>Oooooooh! You had the ultimate death machine. I completely forgot about those. They only made a few of those over a couple of years and had to stop selling them because it was just a bit too much power. A couple of years later, they stopped selling the 5's altogether.

Nimisys · Jun 14, 2002, 07:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Vanquish:
Why do you people say that a 3300 lb car is lightweight ???!!! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />
And that 200 bhp is a lot for a 3300 lb car ???
Man buy real cars instead of american crap-cars ! (yeah maybe they have a little more than average torque but they are NOT powerful and are the most nature unfriendly machines in the world!) and thet are SLOW IMHEPOVO (In My Humble European-Point-Of-View Opinion).

-Vanquish<hr /></blockquote>you know 200hp in a 3300 pound truck is 16.5 pounds per HP and is better than most sedans out there. my rex is at 14pounds per HP. not too shabby for a SUV. also guess where the new Z falls at weight wise? 3200 pounds. 100pounds extra from sports car to small truck? yeah i like it.

also please show me the european equvalent? there is none.

men by good ole pushrod power. and torque.

oh and by the way you can bitch about nature unfriendl suv's, when you SEDANS can pass our emission laws unmodified.

Nimisys · Jun 14, 2002, 07:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jholmes:


Nimisys - She's got a few mods to it - a cat back exhaust system and a Lingenfelter air intake with three K&N filters. Also has a short throw Hurst shifter that is really sweet. And a nice Kenwood stereo. I might rework the throttle body assembly and look at a Hypertech chip, but there really not much internally I'd want to play with right now. She's plenty powerful.

Besides, I figure I'll be spending most of my extra cash on tires - the 17" ZR-315-35s on the back are damn pricey.<hr /></blockquote>yumm fun stuff... theres a guy running a twin turbo setup on a c4 doing 1200HP fully strett legal. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" />

as fopr tires look at the tirerack.com ... i picked up som nice potenza's so-3's for 102 a pop (205/50/15) so you should be looking sub 200$ for yours

goatnet · Jun 14, 2002, 09:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by jholmes:
I drove a 4 liter Cherokee for years - the suckers are geared really well for an around towner. it was actually quicker off the line than my wife's z-car. But no Jeep should ever be considered a hotrod. And I say that having owned five of 'em.

I've been dying to drop in and post a pic of my new ride - this was my birthday present to myself! Got it last weekend and I'm cruising all over.

<img src="http://www.holmesontherange.com/images/fireworks.jpg" alt=" - " /><hr /></blockquote>holmes, you are one lucky SOB, that is the car I've always wanted to own.

Vette's used to be "fairly" affordable too...

My father owned 2 `58 Corvette's... A hard top and a convertable. Sold them both for $2100 bucks in 1963 to purchase a split-window fastback. Let my Uncle drive the fastback, which he totaled. Used the insurance money to get a `67 Stingray convertable. Got tired of the `67, sold it for a `73 pea green convertable. Sold the `73, only to buy an `84 some many years later.

Years later, bought a `94 convertable in 1996 for pennies on the dollar. Now he complains because he's old and it's hard to get in and out of the `Vette.

climber · Jun 14, 2002, 11:41 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Arty50:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by climber:
Back in the mid 70's I had a CJ5 with the 304 V8. With that combo if you were a little brave you could drop the clutch hard at max RPM and lift the front wheels off the ground.

It was also kinda wild to light up all four wheels in a very short drag.<hr /></blockquote>Oooooooh! You had the ultimate death machine. I completely forgot about those. They only made a few of those over a couple of years and had to stop selling them because it was just a bit too much power. A couple of years later, they stopped selling the 5's altogether.<hr /></blockquote>It is still not that uncommon to see someone drop a Chevy 350 in a CJ. With just a little work 300+hp is possible. Now that is Nuts.

Arty50 · Jun 15, 2002, 01:44 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />
It is still not that uncommon to see someone drop a Chevy 350 in a CJ. With just a little work 300+hp is possible. Now that is Nuts.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, quite a few people do this. Although, the most insane motor I've seen in a Jeep is a 454. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> One of the Curries over at <a href="http://www.currieenterprises.com" target="_blank">Currie Enterprises</a> did this to his Wrangler.

Drizzt · Jun 15, 2002, 11:42 AM

My mom has a '88 4L Cherokee. That thing has power.. yes.. but damn it's heavy! I learned to drive on little cars.. and I prefer the feeling of.. say.. a Neon or a Civic. I drove a Civic yesterday (I started to look at used car because I want to buy one), and I felt in love with it.. It's so nice to drive, handles well, less powerfull (weight/hp ratio is lower I think) but still fun to drive.. that's gonna be a car I'll look to buy (maybe a Mazda Protege too).

Also.. it costed a lot to my parents to get that car.. reparations costs A LOT. But it still can be fun to drive <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

Ca$h68 · Jun 17, 2002, 01:36 PM

Man, don't get a freaking civic. Let me help convince you otherwise.

1. Civics are lemming cars. Count how many you see in a day. EVERYBODY has a freaking civic, so THINK DIFFERENT.

2. Civics have no torque. Like none. They're not fun to drive because of this.

3. High priced: For a new civic you could have a turbocharged R/T Neon. Which would you prefer?

4. Expensive parts: Look up any part for a civic, then do the same for a neon. Neon wins there too.

Go test drive a Dodge Neon Manual, 5spd. Any version. SOHC, DOHC, R/T, ACR. Then go get a ride in that lowly civic.

- Ca$h

Nimisys · Jun 17, 2002, 02:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Arty50:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />
It is still not that uncommon to see someone drop a Chevy 350 in a CJ. With just a little work 300+hp is possible. Now that is Nuts.<hr /></blockquote>Yeah, quite a few people do this. Although, the most insane motor I've seen in a Jeep is a 454. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> One of the Curries over at <a href="http://www.currieenterprises.com" target="_blank">Currie Enterprises</a> did this to his Wrangler.<hr /></blockquote>i'd say the viper v10 drop into a wrangler counts as the craziest. damn thing looked stock in there as well. no cutting was needed, only to shave the backside of the grill some.