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Archangel · Jan 25, 2002, 06:40 AM

Macrumors has some movies available for d/l from 10.2. Better get them before they're pulled. It includes 4 movies, 2 pics, and 2 text files.

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[ 01-29-2002: Message edited by: gorgonzola ]

RealMadrid · Jan 25, 2002, 07:37 AM

Seems as if sprin loaded folders are comming back. Also the open with contextual menu is a good idea. Did not quite understand the meaning of the finder alert.

Also the version seems old as the modification dates are 12.12.01.

Regards

kovacs · Jan 25, 2002, 07:56 AM

Thank You, you made my day...
I notice that the spinning beachball now has an arrow attached to it and that you can turn of the preview in the finder...nice

dark3lf · Jan 25, 2002, 09:19 AM

The "6B11" build number is accurate though, isn't it?

Xeo · Jan 25, 2002, 09:24 AM

Those movies were made before Christmas.

EddieDesignsDotCom · Jan 25, 2002, 10:26 AM

cool spring loaded folders. no sign of labels yet? need MORE improvements and features to warrant a 10.2 !

ChaChi Boy · Jan 25, 2002, 10:28 AM

Those are kida piddly changes for a big release.

Oneota · Jan 25, 2002, 10:49 AM

Those are kida piddly changes for a big release.

Well, as has been noted, these movies were made before Christmas (so they're over a month old). Certainly, 10.2 contains new stuff by now.

ChaChi Boy · Jan 25, 2002, 10:53 AM

Originally posted by Oneota:


Well, as has been noted, these movies were made before Christmas (so they're over a month old). Certainly, 10.2 contains new stuff by now.

I hope you are right. If they are just adding the stuff that OS9 has and OSX is missing are we really gaining anything? I want some fancy new features and SPEED!

kman42 · Jan 25, 2002, 11:00 AM

I doubt that is all there is to 10.2. If so, it would hardly warrant the full point upgrade. I'm sure there is some stuff that just hasn't been folded in yet.

While I welcome the pointer addition to the beach ball (or was that an artifact), I have to wonder why they didn't make the ball smaller and put it at the base of the pointer. As it looks in the movies, it is just ugly: nothing more than a pointer put on top of the beach ball! Nevertheless, I think it is important for them to make some change as I find many people who don't realize they can do something else while the beach-balled app is choking.

kman

man0 · Jan 25, 2002, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by ChaChi Boy:


I hope you are right. If they are just adding the stuff that OS9 has and OSX is missing are we really gaining anything? I want some fancy new features and SPEED!

Well i think you all should look at darwin bugtraq to understand how they are working....lots of bugs to be fixed but lots of enhancements projected to be merged into 6bxx builds

absmiths · Jan 25, 2002, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by ChaChi Boy:


I hope you are right. If they are just adding the stuff that OS9 has and OSX is missing are we really gaining anything? I want some fancy new features and SPEED!

Of course we gain something when OS 9 features are added to OS X. I use OS X only and so features brought over from OS 9 are new features. Besides, don't forget that the initial set of features (the ones over the last year) are primarily to make OS X as useful as OS 9 is today - plus a little extra. I don't expect the Earth to shake until later this year. Did anyone else notice that when the Finder preview was turned off the items took just as long to appear as they did before? There is no reason for a multi-second delay just to update a name, date and file size. I think that in that particular build the preview was being generated and then not shown - why else would the spinning *disk* (why can't we get away from this beachball thing - it is obviously NOT a beachball!) show up for a simple selection?

Further evidence that the previews are being generated even when the preview is turned off is that the preview triangle pops the preview up instantaneously - no delay. It is possible that they are generating the preview on a separate thread and that thread is somehow changing the cursor to the spinning wheel while the Finder is specifying it as the arrow - just a thought.

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: absmiths ]

The Dude · Jan 25, 2002, 11:03 AM

I've got that sneaking suspiscion that this is bull.

In one of the text files, it hast the output of "hostinfo" from the terminal. The kernal version is 1.6 for that supposed build....but we're already at 5.2!

hmmmmmmm

absmiths · Jan 25, 2002, 11:14 AM

Originally posted by The Dude:
I've got that sneaking suspiscion that this is bull.

In one of the text files, it hast the output of "hostinfo" from the terminal. The kernal version is 1.6 for that supposed build....but we're already at 5.2!

hmmmmmmm

The copy I have specifies it as 1.4, which is definitely weird - but wouldn't that be something that would be REAL easy to fake? If that were the true kernel version, where could they even get a copy to run the fake demo on? Could this correspond to the current version of Darwin which is 1.4.1? Here is my 10.1.2 info:

Darwin Kernel Version 5.2:
Fri Dec 7 21:39:35 PST 2001; root:xnu/xnu-201.14.obj~1/RELEASE_PPC

So everything jives up except the version number (although there are only 5 days between the two).

Spheric Harlot · Jan 25, 2002, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by absmiths:
So everything jives up except the version number (although there are only 5 days between the two).

Somebody appears to have missed the publications and discussion threads on the change in version numbering of Darwin kernels in December...

-c.

kman42 · Jan 25, 2002, 11:24 AM

Originally posted by absmiths:

why can't we get away from this beachball thing - it is obviously NOT a beachball!

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: absmiths ]

Because there is absolutely nothing interesting about a spinning disc. A beachball connotes fun and excitement. A beachball allows you to drift off into a daydream about the white sandy beaches of Hawaii while you wait for your snappy multitasking OS to do whatever it is doing. A spinning disc just goes 'round and 'round: boring.

Considering all the talk about theming around here, the only theme I want is one that changes the beach ball into the dogcow. Now that would be exciting!

kman

absmiths · Jan 25, 2002, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by kman42:


Because there is absolutely nothing interesting about a spinning disc. A beachball connotes fun and excitement. A beachball allows you to drift off into a daydream about the white sandy beaches of Hawaii while you wait for your snappy multitasking OS to do whatever it is doing. A spinning disc just goes 'round and 'round: boring.

...
kman

That's pretty dumb. Why call it an OS? Let's call it a Condominium... that connotes fun and the like. Come to think of it, why should I call it a laptop? I'll call it a knee-board instead - that way everyone will know what I am talking about.

Do you call your mouse a guinea pig?

starfleetX · Jan 25, 2002, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by kman42:
While I welcome the pointer addition to the beach ball (or was that an artifact),

The pointer is has not changed in 10.2. You only see the pointer overlay the spinning disc because those movies were captured with Snapz Pro X.

SYN · Jan 25, 2002, 03:11 PM

I'm pissed at MacRumors.

They could have at least hosted the archive... They're just in it for the hits, without paying the bandwidth...

And I'm hosting those vids for them.

A$$holes

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: SYN ]

mrchin · Jan 25, 2002, 03:27 PM

Maybe there'll be a 10.1.3 first. I think that 10.2 may be released at MWNY. I hope sooner, but we'll have to wait and see.

Spring loaded folder yes, but what about windowshade? I've got Win...X but if is does get implemented into the OS, I hope this hack doesn't mess things up.

Subzero Diesel949 · Jan 25, 2002, 03:57 PM

No, no, no...we will get a PREVIEW of 10.2 at MW and then be told it will be out in a few months for the low upgrade cost of $20 S & H through the Apple Store...

kman42 · Jan 25, 2002, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:


That's pretty dumb. Why call it an OS? Let's call it a Condominium... that connotes fun and the like. Come to think of it, why should I call it a laptop? I'll call it a knee-board instead - that way everyone will know what I am talking about.

Do you call your mouse a guinea pig?

Wow man, you take things really seriously. We all know it is an optical disc left over from NeXT days, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a stupid cursor. What does an optical disc have to do with an unresponsive app? Nothing, it may as well be a beachball.

kman

ChaChi Boy · Jan 25, 2002, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by SYN:
I'm pissed at MacRumors.

They could have at least hosted the archive... They're just in it for the hits, without paying the bandwidth...

And I'm hosting those vids for them.

A$$holes

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: SYN ]

Keep changing the URL and tell them not to direct link.

Angus_D · Jan 25, 2002, 06:20 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:
The copy I have specifies it as 1.4, which is definitely weird - but wouldn't that be something that would be REAL easy to fake? If that were the true kernel version, where could they even get a copy to run the fake demo on? Could this correspond to the current version of Darwin which is 1.4.1?

You see what you get for not having a clue?

They haven't moved the kernel version over to 6.0 yet, 1.4 is still the version in xnu/bsd/conf right through to xnu-222 (and probably later, xnu-222 is the latest tag in anoncvs though), except for the xnu-201.14 and xnu-201.5 branches, which were changed to be 5.2 and 5.1 respectively.

And yes, this is relatively easy to fake. There is even a shell script for updating the version number in the xnu source.

[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: Angus_D ]

moreno · Jan 26, 2002, 02:15 AM

ummh... notice the font tracking on Finder Windows. Cool!

in the Finder Preferences movie, i only saw the way to set the delay of the Spring Loaded folders... i want more videos!

i want to see the spring loaded folders on X in action

edddeduck · Jan 26, 2002, 11:45 AM

Anyone notice how the background are too white. ie look at the menu bar in the version vid. It has no stripes and is white.

Maybe this is just the compression though..

Cheers Edd

Brazuca · Jan 26, 2002, 12:54 PM

Originally posted by man0:


Well i think you all should look at darwin bugtraq to understand how they are working....lots of bugs to be fixed but lots of enhancements projected to be merged into 6bxx builds

Anyone have a link for this bugtraq?

Angus_D · Jan 26, 2002, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Brazuca:
Anyone have a link for this bugtraq?

http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/bugs.html
It's probably not wise to interpret what you read unless you know what you're talking about

SS3 GokouX · Jan 26, 2002, 02:26 PM

Originally posted by edddeduck:
Anyone notice how the background are too white. ie look at the menu bar in the version vid. It has no stripes and is white.

Maybe this is just the compression though..

It's the compression, Sorenson 3 always increases the contrast a little and I've noticed that the Aqua stripes go away real fast even on the highest quality settings. Check out the Disk Copy movie, the stripes are barely visible in the main window, but once he opens up the About window, you can see the stripes when the shadow is over them.

What is this "font tracking" that moreno mentioned?

edddeduck · Jan 26, 2002, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by SS3 GokouX:


It's the compression, Sorenson 3 always increases the contrast a little and I've noticed that the Aqua stripes go away real fast even on the highest quality settings. Check out the Disk Copy movie, the stripes are barely visible in the main window, but once he opens up the About window, you can see the stripes when the shadow is over them.

What is this "font tracking" that moreno mentioned?

cheers that what I thought...

Edd

c0rvette · Jan 26, 2002, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by Angus_D:

http://www.opensource.apple.com/projects/bugs.html
It's probably not wise to interpret what you read unless you know what you're talking about

the latest version i see is 6B26

CharlesS · Jan 26, 2002, 03:07 PM

Are these the same movies that Xeo posted in another thread?

bluetooth · Jan 26, 2002, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by CharlesS:
Are these the same movies that Xeo posted in another thread?

yes i believe so

retroneo · Jan 27, 2002, 12:49 AM

Originally posted by kman42:


Wow man, you take things really seriously. We all know it is an optical disc left over from NeXT days, but that doesn't change the fact that it is a stupid cursor. What does an optical disc have to do with an unresponsive app? Nothing, it may as well be a beachball.

kman

A well coded app should never get given the spinning disc cursor. It means it has been unresponsive for 2 seconds and is given by the OS. If an app is busy it should do its own busy cursor like a watch or beachball, not appear as dead to the OS.

arn · Jan 27, 2002, 01:25 AM

Originally posted by SYN:
I'm pissed at MacRumors.

They could have at least hosted the archive... They're just in it for the hits, without paying the bandwidth...
[ 01-25-2002: Message edited by: SYN ]

Sorry about that Syn,

We just got a link to that archive, and posted it as such... we didn't know the source or the credits... I've since moved the hosting to macrumors

arn

SYN · Jan 27, 2002, 11:22 AM

It's quite alright, I appreciate your professionalism.

So what is the font tracking all about?

Subzero Diesel949 · Jan 27, 2002, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by retroneo:


A well coded app should never get given the spinning disc cursor. It means it has been unresponsive for 2 seconds and is given by the OS. If an app is busy it should do its own busy cursor like a watch or beachball, not appear as dead to the OS.

Is it just me, or do a lot of carbon ports keep showing the disc every 5 seconds when doing things (ie Fetch, AIM, etc.)?

moki · Jan 27, 2002, 04:21 PM

The only problem that I have with these movies/screenshots is that the person taking them tried to drag Snapz Pro X to the trash!

shellsuit · Jan 27, 2002, 06:34 PM

Originally posted by absmiths:


That's pretty dumb. Why call it an OS? Let's call it a Condominium... that connotes fun and the like. Come to think of it, why should I call it a laptop? I'll call it a knee-board instead - that way everyone will know what I am talking about.

Do you call your mouse a guinea pig?

Awesome, dude. Awesome!!

gorgonzola · Jan 29, 2002, 04:50 PM

Thread closed and links to 10.2 images/movies removed by request of Apple Legal.