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Targon · Jul 11, 2002, 12:01 PM

6 months repairing all the bugs it introduces (that these greeeeeaaaat beta testers didn't report) then another 6 months until another major release with new features???

What will the next major release add..........anyone like to provide some facts or babble some speculation???

Cool

[ 07-11-2002, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: Targon ]

ntsc · Jul 11, 2002, 05:17 PM

i think that in <insert random cat type here> we might see Apple begin to see where Apple is going with regards to issues like MetaData and that new FileSystem which they are supposed to be working on, with that BeOS bloke.

nickm · Jul 11, 2002, 05:35 PM

You knew it had to happen. Jaguar isn't even released and people are asking about the next revision. Speculate all you want, but no one can answer this question.

mikemako · Jul 11, 2002, 06:23 PM

Well, to be honest I don't find the improvements in 10.2 that interesting. QE is very nice from what I have read on it, good focus for Apple, but I feel the 10.2 release is (like the 10.1 release) a lot about getting the OS up to par with the previous Mac OS (in terms of speed and such) with a few new features thrown in. I have been wondering about the next major Mac OS release since I heard about the not so impressive improvements to Jag. I WANT MORE CUSTOMIZATION!

I want more options, themes, the ability to switch to the classic look for optimal performance like WinXP. I want system wide font size and style customization, the ability to change the size of the menubar, pixelization of the dock icons when they are very tiny. I would like the ability to minimize to dock without any animation and to turn off the blinking and bouncing and stripes throughout the OS if I like <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

and maybe a simple "mac paint" program... How am I supposed to create custom solid colored desktop pictures without installing Apple Works or Photoshop? perhaps I am overlooking something.

[ 07-11-2002, 06:26 PM: Message edited by: mikemako ]

benh57 · Jul 11, 2002, 06:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mikemako:
[QB]
I want more options, themes, the ability to switch to the classic look for optimal performance like WinXP. I want system wide font size and style customization, the ability to change the size of the menubar, pixelization of the dock icons when they are very tiny. I would like the ability to minimize to dock without any animation and to turn off the blinking and bouncing and stripes throughout the OS if I like <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> /QB]<hr /></blockquote>You won't get that. Ever. You don't understand apple, apparently.

Anyway, one of the things possible "post jaguar" that I have seen mentioned (by apple engineers) is the ability to have multiple users remotely logged in to the window server, a-la X-Windows, but native. If you don't know what X-Windows is, it lets you remotely use GUI apps that are running on the other machine. It is different & faster from something like Apple Remote Desktop though, because it involves remote direct connections to the window server. Instant switching of users (leaving all your apps running), virtual consoles, etc.

-B

juanvaldes · Jul 11, 2002, 06:38 PM

I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.

mikemako · Jul 11, 2002, 06:55 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />You won't get that. Ever. You don't understand apple, apparently.<hr /></blockquote>oh. please advise: what will I get?

[ 07-11-2002, 06:56 PM: Message edited by: mikemako ]

moonmonkey · Jul 11, 2002, 08:50 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Targon:
6 months repairing all the bugs it introduces (that these greeeeeaaaat beta testers didn't report) then another 6 months until another major release with new features???

What will the next major release add..........anyone like to provide some facts or babble some speculation???

Cool

<hr /></blockquote>My Speculation (wishlist)

1 Ability to log out (and shutdown!) and in with the state frozen like XP and VPC.
2 Improved Text to Speech (Jobs mentioned he was looking to buy some modern voices)
3 Improved Speech recognition
4 5.1 Sound with Dolby / THX stuff
5 An iApp for TV tuners with all of the streaming channels moved from the quicktime player and the DVD player integrated.
6 Video/Audio Conferencing in iChat
7 Closer integration between quicktime player and iMovie/Final Cut
8 Colour picker for theme (instead of graphite and blue)
9 Multiple Virtual screens/workspaces (or whatever they are called)

Gul Banana · Jul 11, 2002, 08:54 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them.

moonmonkey · Jul 11, 2002, 09:06 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them.<hr /></blockquote>Surely this is down to poor implemetation by Microsoft, couldn't it write everything in ram to a file on the hardisk like VPC does, that way it wouldn't take up any RAM?

Alex00087 · Jul 12, 2002, 01:48 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them.<hr /></blockquote>This is actually a very useful feature thats on XP. and I don't understand why they had all five users logged in at the same time, practical people would just leave maybe one or two account logged in temporarily. It does slow down the computer alot when other people are logged in in the background, but I think it is meant for another family member to just use the computer for a couple of minutes and then go back to the account that was logged in before. I would really like to see this feature in OS X.

Targon · Jul 12, 2002, 02:29 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Alex00087:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them.<hr /></blockquote>This is actually a very useful feature thats on XP. and I don't understand why they had all five users logged in at the same time, practical people would just leave maybe one or two account logged in temporarily. It does slow down the computer alot when other people are logged in in the background, but I think it is meant for another family member to just use the computer for a couple of minutes and then go back to the account that was logged in before. I would really like to see this feature in OS X.

<hr /></blockquote>In Linux you can select save state when you log out even when online. If you log out of your user account then log in as root the internet connection stays alive. When you then log out of root an back to your user account Linux keeps you net connection live an opens up every application an window that was previously open in the last session as if the user never left. I wish OS X could do this.

lookmark · Jul 12, 2002, 02:42 AM

I was just thinking that a thread like this would come up any day now. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

The next release of OS X (post-Jaguar) is going to be competing with early betas of Windows Longhorn (due in 04), which should be interesting.

Here's my hopes, dreams, & expectations.

Performance
- further enhanced performance, memory management, speed, and so on.

New Features
- a revamped metadata system (putting OS 9 labels to shame!); a new, very cool instant indexing and even further improved Search feature, with "Sticky Brain"-like links connecting documents; a new View button to show these links
- much-improved Natural voices and improved speech recognition
- ability to save user states before logging out
- some surprising Dock refinements, & an enhanced window management system
- improved Navigation Services (please!) with resizable columns, ability to "grab" names, and addition of List view
- Task Manager -- a GUI front-end to cron
- Bluetooth-sync with the new Apple Pad <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

And a lot of little things:
- improved Print Center (e.g. ability drag and drop documents into P.C.)
- return of the Macintosh Basics program (but even cooler!) to guide new users and switchers
- an actual big, thick friendly paper manual.
-- Nah. I'm dreaming.

moonmonkey · Jul 12, 2002, 03:00 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by lookmark:


New Features
- a revamped metadata system (putting OS 9 labels to shame!); a new, very cool instant indexing and even further improved Search feature, with "Sticky Brain"-like links connecting documents; a new View button to show these links
<hr /></blockquote>I Like, this would be very cool.

juanvaldes · Jul 12, 2002, 03:09 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by moonmonkey:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them.<hr /></blockquote>Surely this is down to poor implemetation by Microsoft, couldn't it write everything in ram to a file on the hardisk like VPC does, that way it wouldn't take up any RAM?

<hr /></blockquote>That's how I thought it would be implemented. Or at least should have been. <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

In any event I would like it (even thought I don't really see myself using it much) and I think it is one of the good things in XP.

Vanquish · Jul 12, 2002, 02:14 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> and I think it is one of the good things in XP <hr /></blockquote>I think it's the ONLY feature I like in Windows <img border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" title="" src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" />

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> with "Sticky Brain"-like links connecting documents; <hr /></blockquote>what would that be ? what is "Sticky brain" ?

[ 07-12-2002, 02:17 PM: Message edited by: Vanquish ]

JKT · Jul 12, 2002, 02:57 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by moonmonkey:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them.<hr /></blockquote>Surely this is down to poor implemetation by Microsoft, couldn't it write everything in ram to a file on the hardisk like VPC does, that way it wouldn't take up any RAM?

<hr /></blockquote>How about this? Instead of having to log out the current user, why not just have a "virtual app window" for the short time user - it pops up in its own workspace over what is already there, lets the person do what they want to do and then closes down again once they have finished. I.e. no logging in or out for anyone (although a password mechanism for the virtual window would obviously be necessary)... I'm thinking along the lines of the screen-within-a-screen that you get with TVs to see what is on the other channels without flipping over, only adapted to work on a computer. Just an idea.

Anyway, post Jaguar I'd like to see added:

The ability to write directly onto the screen via an improved ink, perhaps.

In Preview, the ability to add a "marker pen" highlight to sections of text and have it remembered so that I never have to print out articles again and waste anymore paper.

A Powerpoint killer from *anybody* as that is the worst dog's dinner of an app I've had the displeasure of using since the initial IEs and AppleWorks for X (hopefully, the next iteration of OmniGraffle will be this app).

Something like the BeOS-style file system. Even better... with that Sticky Brain concept - do you mean that e.g. I have prepared a .graffle document containing e.g. images from some photoshop files and .pdfs, text from saved .htmls, .rtfs etc and when I look at that file there is some "Finder" window I can open that shows the heritage of that document. I.e. it forms a "brainstorming" pattern with all the source docs mapped out and linked to that one document (something like the image below, only with filenames and icons etc) and those links could be followed back up the map... if it is, that would be truly awesome.

<img src="http://homepage.mac.com/jtyzack/.Pictures/postjagidea.png" alt=" - " />

[ 07-12-2002, 02:59 PM: Message edited by: JKT ]

Diggory Laycock · Jul 12, 2002, 03:11 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by JKT:
The ability to write directly onto the screen via an improved ink, perhaps.<hr /></blockquote>Anyone remember light-pens - so 1982

Kickaha · Jul 12, 2002, 03:24 PM

That increased meta-data thang...

For those of you with the Dev Tools, take a look at Project Builder's Preferences for file handling.

It's a quasi-MIME-hierarchy system much like what BeOS used. I have this funny feeling that PB is the testbed for this, to get developer feedback on pluses and minuses. I'd be quite shocked if what we end up with for metadata doesn't look something like this. It's quite nice in concept, although the UI needs work. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (And before anyone else says it, well duh, of course it does, this is a developer tool, not an end-user tool like the Finder... a different UI would be needed for that.)

Ken_F2 · Jul 12, 2002, 03:30 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them. <hr /></blockquote>This is just FUD / you are trolling. No one is going to have five users logged in at once. And no one is going to be using a two-year old antivirus program like that. All the antivirus programs released since XP keep track of the time the last scan was initiated, so you don't get duplicate, unnecessary scheduled scans, just because you have multiple accounts.

And it wouldn't take more than 30 seconds to end all the tasks, because the list of running processors for ALL USERS is shown (and you can selectively end tasks of users with one click), so long as your account has administrative privileges.

As long as you have enough memory and a modern processor, the multi-user functionality doesn't cause any noticeable slowdown. Of course, you could start encoding a DIVX movie in one account and then change over to another, and you'd feel some impact, but that isn't the typical use for the feature. I think most people use the switching for brief periods of time (i.e. so someone can check mail on another account while a game is paused, to browse or check email or do something while someone else is working on a document but away from the computer, etc).

Ken_F2 · Jul 12, 2002, 03:35 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />1 Ability to log out (and shutdown!) and in with the state frozen like XP and VPC.
2 Improved Text to Speech (Jobs mentioned he was looking to buy some modern voices)
3 Improved Speech recognition
4 5.1 Sound with Dolby / THX stuff
5 An iApp for TV tuners with all of the streaming channels moved from the quicktime player and the DVD player integrated.
6 Video/Audio Conferencing in iChat
7 Closer integration between quicktime player and iMovie/Final Cut
8 Colour picker for theme (instead of graphite and blue)
9 Multiple Virtual screens/workspaces (or whatever they are called)<hr /></blockquote>This seems like a good list. It would eliminate many of the reasons I need/have/like to use Windows XP. Right now, on my XP desktop, I have a windowed display of HDTV outputing Dolby Digital sound to a hometheater system in the background, and that's just something I can't do on a Mac right now.

JLL · Jul 12, 2002, 03:59 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
Right now, on my XP desktop, I have a windowed display of HDTV outputing Dolby Digital sound to a hometheater system in the background, and that's just something I can't do on a Mac right now.<hr /></blockquote>Buy a TV!

diamondsw · Jul 12, 2002, 04:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by mikemako:
Well, to be honest I don't find the improvements in 10.2 that interesting. QE is very nice from what I have read on it, good focus for Apple, but I feel the 10.2 release is (like the 10.1 release) a lot about getting the OS up to par with the previous Mac OS (in terms of speed and such) with a few new features thrown in. I have been wondering about the next major Mac OS release since I heard about the not so impressive improvements to Jag. I WANT MORE CUSTOMIZATION!

I want more options, themes, the ability to switch to the classic look for optimal performance like WinXP. I want system wide font size and style customization, the ability to change the size of the menubar, pixelization of the dock icons when they are very tiny. I would like the ability to minimize to dock without any animation and to turn off the blinking and bouncing and stripes throughout the OS if I like <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

and maybe a simple "mac paint" program... How am I supposed to create custom solid colored desktop pictures without installing Apple Works or Photoshop? perhaps I am overlooking something.<hr /></blockquote>So, in other words, you want themes and don't give a damn about the rest of it? I mean, that's fine and all, but I'd take more functionality any day. And from what we've seen over at Think Secret, this looks like a hell of an update - probably at least as much as 10.0 - 10.1.5 combined. Except themes (which OS 9 didn't have anyway), it will have pretty much every feature people miss fom OS 9.

I predict bug fixes will happen later.

diamondsw · Jul 12, 2002, 04:19 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>Amen to that! I know they're working on it at Apple, but if I recall correctly, it was blocked my problems with the WindowServer (it's designed to only run with one instance) and IOKit support (probably some device arbitration involved).

That feature in XP *is* a really good one... *sigh*

Sharky K. · Jul 12, 2002, 04:24 PM

I would like to see simple preview of HTML files like SNAX can do but with the size from a normal preview

diamondsw · Jul 12, 2002, 04:28 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by moonmonkey:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Gul Banana:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them.<hr /></blockquote>Surely this is down to poor implemetation by Microsoft, couldn't it write everything in ram to a file on the hardisk like VPC does, that way it wouldn't take up any RAM?

<hr /></blockquote>Well, that won't work if you're downlading a file in one of the "suspended" users, for instance. It certainly should not be grabbing GUI events, but as for the rest of that, yeah, it could happen. However, I have a feeling that programs that deal with timed events (on OS X, one would hope everyone would just use cron) could be written in such a way that this would not happen. Interesting, flaw, though.

Catfish_Man · Jul 12, 2002, 11:52 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by diamondsw:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>Amen to that! I know they're working on it at Apple, but if I recall correctly, it was blocked my problems with the WindowServer (it's designed to only run with one instance) and IOKit support (probably some device arbitration involved).

That feature in XP *is* a really good one... *sigh*<hr /></blockquote>I hope everyone has requested this on the OSX feedback page. I certainly have, it's my first (or maybe second) biggest request. The other big one is a completely resolution independent user interface so that I can have a nice detailed 1600x1200 screen without everything being tiny (think about the iBooks. 12.1"@1024x768. I like my 17" CRT at 800x600 (occasionally 1024x768), so I'd go insane with everything that small.)

krove · Jul 13, 2002, 02:03 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Catfish_Man:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by diamondsw:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by juanvaldes:
I hope they snag the ability of XP to log out a user without quitting their applications so another can quickly log in and check email etc and then log back in the original user.<hr /></blockquote>Amen to that! I know they're working on it at Apple, but if I recall correctly, it was blocked my problems with the WindowServer (it's designed to only run with one instance) and IOKit support (probably some device arbitration involved).

That feature in XP *is* a really good one... *sigh*<hr /></blockquote>I hope everyone has requested this on the OSX feedback page. I certainly have, it's my first (or maybe second) biggest request. The other big one is a completely resolution independent user interface so that I can have a nice detailed 1600x1200 screen without everything being tiny (think about the iBooks. 12.1"@1024x768. I like my 17" CRT at 800x600 (occasionally 1024x768), so I'd go insane with everything that small.)<hr /></blockquote>I don't think we'll see resolution independent software until screens start pushing 175+dpi...I want it too, but there are more important things right now:

1. Location manager that controls more than just the network location
2. Meta-data, meta-data, meta-data...
3. More rendezvous-enabled iApps
4. Near-instantaneous logout and login, saved-state logouts
5. Task manager (ala cron) is a must with direct integration with AppleScript
6. More network-centric apps allowing collaboration (ala sharing of iTunes playlists coming in Jaguar, sharing of iPohoto albums, etc)
7. Support for latest pdf standard
8. Shipped with Chimera as standard web browser

Give it a year, and we shall see...

Ken_F2 · Jul 13, 2002, 02:59 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr /> <blockquote>quote:<hr />The other big one is a completely resolution independent user interface so that I can have a nice detailed 1600x1200 screen without everything being tiny (think about the iBooks. 12.1"@1024x768. I like my 17" CRT at 800x600 (occasionally 1024x768), so I'd go insane with everything that small.)<hr /></blockquote>I don't think we'll see resolution independent software until screens start pushing 175+dpi...I want it too, but there are more important things right now:<hr /></blockquote>This is definitely something Apple should be able to do. Beginning with Windows XP, Microsoft added support for custom DPI resolutions in Windows. Using this feature, you can run 1600x1200 native resolution on a LCD, yet still have your desktop look (in terms of fonts, dialogs, windows, etc) as if it is running 1024x768. Everything is just much more detailed, as compared to say a 1024x768 native screen. This is a feature that some PC vendors use on their notebooks with 15" 1600x1200 screens; if they were to run at standard 96DPI, everything would be too small to be readable/usable. Here's a <a href="http://kfowler.bizland.com/temp/dpi.png" target="_blank">screenshot</a>.

Until Apple offers this feature, it can't really offer ultra high resolution screens on its notebooks (of course you can run a LCD at non-native resolution, but why would you want to do that?). Apple has been looking at XP for a long time, so I suspect they have this and fast user switching in the works for 10.5.

jock · Jul 13, 2002, 04:06 AM

For me I would like to see a start up and shut down schedular ala OS9, a better iphoto as the current one creeps to a halt with 1k plus of pics, Iview does it better, but its not free.

krove · Jul 13, 2002, 12:46 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
Apple has been looking at XP for a long time, so I suspect they have this and fast user switching in the works for 10.5.<hr /></blockquote>What the hell are you smoking? X preceded XP by far. What gives you the idea that Apple "has been looking at XP?"

The idea for resolution independent displays is not unique to XP - people have discussed it for years. XP may have implemented it first, but that by no means indicates that when Apple adds the feature that they copied it.

Catfish_Man · Jul 13, 2002, 02:16 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by krove:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
Apple has been looking at XP for a long time, so I suspect they have this and fast user switching in the works for 10.5.<hr /></blockquote>What the hell are you smoking? X preceded XP by far. What gives you the idea that Apple "has been looking at XP?"

The idea for resolution independent displays is not unique to XP - people have discussed it for years. XP may have implemented it first, but that by no means indicates that when Apple adds the feature that they copied it.<hr /></blockquote>They'd have to be idiots not to look at XP. I don't think they're going to say "we're going to ignore the competition and not implement any of their good features, then try to get users who are used to those features to switch over". Just because OSX came out first doesn't mean it can't learn things (very few things, but still some) from XP.

Shame · Jul 13, 2002, 03:18 PM

Yeah. Lightpens were awesome. Instead of improving their accuracy and resolution, 20 years later we are still using a mouse.

Gul Banana · Jul 14, 2002, 06:14 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Ken_F2:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />You really want that? I was at a friend's house when I first heard of it and I was horrified by the implications. I opened my mouth and got as far as "But won't -" before their scheduled antivirus program started running... for all five logged in users... slowing a Pentium N to a crawl. It took about fifteen minutes to quit all the instances. And then there's the sheer RAM wastage of everybody leaving applications open.. they all keep checking, apparently, for GUI events as well even though there's no GUI attached to them. <hr /></blockquote>This is just FUD / you are trolling. No one is going to have five users logged in at once. And no one is going to be using a two-year old antivirus program like that. All the antivirus programs released since XP keep track of the time the last scan was initiated, so you don't get duplicate, unnecessary scheduled scans, just because you have multiple accounts.

And it wouldn't take more than 30 seconds to end all the tasks, because the list of running processors for ALL USERS is shown (and you can selectively end tasks of users with one click), so long as your account has administrative privileges.

As long as you have enough memory and a modern processor, the multi-user functionality doesn't cause any noticeable slowdown. Of course, you could start encoding a DIVX movie in one account and then change over to another, and you'd feel some impact, but that isn't the typical use for the feature. I think most people use the switching for brief periods of time (i.e. so someone can check mail on another account while a game is paused, to browse or check email or do something while someone else is working on a document but away from the computer, etc).<hr /></blockquote>While the comments of other people have now convinced me that a better implementation of this would be a good addition, that wasn't FUD - it actually happened. Bear in mind that my friend's family are not the most computer literate people;
� They had five users logged in because "It's quicker to log in again later if you do the temporary log out" so they never do full logouts.
��They're using an old antivirus program because "It's always worked in the past"
And, not having used Windows heavily since 98, I didn't know about the task-killingness (presumably they didn't either).

unfaded · Jul 14, 2002, 01:22 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Shame:
Yeah. Lightpens were awesome. Instead of improving their accuracy and resolution, 20 years later we are still using a mouse.<hr /></blockquote>Heh, someone else with a signature mentioning Kelly Hogan. How fun.

Anyways, i think 10.2 will be the last heavy OS-optimisation. While it would be cool if Quartz Extreme got optimised to utilise some video cards before a 16 MB Radeon, it's most likely not going to happen.

I think continual OS updates will have to do more with the digital hub/lifestyle...the only thing I've ever agreed with MacOS Rumours on. .Mac/iTools will probably be a bit more integrated with the OS, but hopefully not in the style of MS where there's a very obvious removal option.

Themes? No, I'm sorry folks. They were even dead in OS 9. Jobs doesn't like them. Keep making your own. We're stuck with blue and graphite (and I'm honestly surprised there even IS a graphite, still) and that will be it.

They're gonna keep making everything easier to understand (like the 10.2 cursors for everything in the world being prettier), because if you want to customise / make OS X hard, you use UNIX. Apple is targeting this for the windows people who just have no clue and they want to make it very easy for them to have a clue in OS X, and a billion and six options aren't going to make the user have more of a one.

While that sucks for us advanced users, we're all in the MacNN Forums using OS X, aren't we? :o) Alright then.

Other improvements in OS X will most likely be compliance with some newer technologies and stuff, like Quicktime 6 for 10.2. After 10.2, I think a bit more importance will be placed on the Applications of Apple, and we'll see updates to a lot of them...like a decent AppleWorks for once.

So...to sum up :o) In Jer's prediction, it's digital appliances, application updates and more eye candy, with a possible SLIGHT optimisation, but not likely. But no major OS update for a long time.