[Sosa]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Cody, everyone is wringing their hands saying "Oh no, the US will never win a war again! Please, don't make us go up against the mighty Syrian or :gasp: Iranian army, we are doomed to be defeated by these powerful foes!"

And you will be, just like little Vietnam defeated you 30 years ago. You, Bush, and some of his friends, don't realize the challenge of the undertaking, even after the nightmare in Iraq and the failures in Afghanistan. Its really quite amazingn that you have made a mess of one country and now want to make a mess of a couple of others. Well the cost would be tremendous and in the end you will lose, just like you will lose Iraq.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Sosa

You are one of the most insensible people that I know post here. Thus that opinion from you is next to worthless.

I tell it like it is, and I make no apologies for that.

[Y3a]

Originally Posted by Sosa

You are one bloodthirsty guy Cody Dawq.

SO, YOU HAD NO IDEA WHO YOU WERE RESPONDING TO??? So, who's the idiot Sosa?? mmmmm....Prolly YOU!

Originally Posted by Sosa

But he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

What an "Islamic" thing to say. You seem to be showing your true turbin...

Originally Posted by Sosa

You probably don't have the guts to go be in the front lines in any invasion of Iran, but you are willing to send many of your country men to certain death.

And those godless Syrian ass canyons will send ALL OF THEMSELVES to be killed by Israeli Nukes.

Originally Posted by Sosa

Further, the US will not succeed in Iran, and will become a rogue state and more of an international menance than they already are if they do invade Iran.

So , you see the areas of the world in utter chaos from the godless Muslim extremists and think its FINE????? Please explain.

Originally Posted by Sosa

Don't you see that most of the world is against what you and your fanatics in the Bush administration want to do?

You watch too much "al jazero" nonsense to ever be able to talk intelligently on any subject, but will be reduced to the typical blatherings of their kind.

Originally Posted by Sosa

You will make even more enemies than you have already. Maybe you should go ahead and invade Iran, it will hasten the end of US imperialism.

Assumptions stated as fact. INCORRECT ASSUMTIONS AT THAT!

Originally Posted by Sosa

Oh and Bush is an idiot (really, talk to his former professors) and has done more to harm US interests than any other president I can think of. But it is true he has the support now of 35% of Americans, so there are plenty of other fools that support him.

bla-bla-bla.

You must be the bigger fool to support terrorists and islamofascists.

[Y3a]

Originally Posted by Sosa

....just like little Vietnam defeated you 30 years ago....

You must have wasted all your school years. Take a history class instead of listening to leftist blather from the very ones who chickened out fled to Canada instead of being patriotic.

[Sosa]

Y3a, are you denying that the US lost Vietnam? That is some revisionist history brew you've been drinking! And you actually make as much sense as PacHead does. I didn't think it was possible. You call me an idiot because I did not know that Cody Dawg supposedly is a woman. You miss the forest for looking at a tree Y3a, since Cody Dawg sex is irrelevant to this discussion, and so are you.

[Y3a]

You DO need to read history So-so. We had beaten the Viet Nam commies and gave up because the liberals and cowards in the US wanted love not war-leading to the pathetic "Disco era"of drugs and crappy music and stupid clothes and of course Jimmy Carter. its a big difference between getting out and being beaten.

[demograph68]

Originally Posted by Y3a

You DO need to read history So-so. We had beaten the Viet Nam commies and gave up because the liberals and cowards in the US wanted love not war-leading to the pathetic "Disco era"of drugs and crappy music and stupid clothes and of course Jimmy Carter. its a big difference between getting out and being beaten.

IF IT WASN'T FOR JIMMY CARTER AND DRUGS, AMERICA WOULD HAVE WON, BECAUSE WE REALLY DID WIN!

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by Y3a

You DO need to read history So-so. We had beaten the Viet Nam commies and gave up because the liberals and cowards in the US wanted love not war-leading to the pathetic "Disco era"of drugs and crappy music and stupid clothes and of course Jimmy Carter. its a big difference between getting out and being beaten.

I mean honestly, are we to take this seriously?

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by demograph68

IF IT WASN'T FOR JIMMY CARTER AND DRUGS, AMERICA WOULD HAVE WON, BECAUSE WE REALLY DID WIN!

LOL awsome smily.

[Wiskedjak]

Originally Posted by demograph68

IF IT WASN'T FOR JIMMY CARTER AND DRUGS, AMERICA WOULD HAVE WON, BECAUSE WE REALLY DID WIN!

Did abe somehow hack into demograph's account?

[Nicko]

Writing from Jerusalem, Israeli peace advocate and author Reuven Kaminer explains:

It is indeed probable that Israel, carried away by an attack of self righteousness, has forgotten its main task in the region: to maintain a modicum of calm and normality in order to block developments that could harm the basic interests of the United States or Israel. Israel’s pretensions to maintain a “quiet occupation” without any challenges has hurled the region into a new round of war and destruction. Israel, quite clearly guilty of serious crimes against humanity by creating a major humanitarian crisis in Gaza in the south, has gone on a campaign of aggression against Lebanon in the north.

In accordance with the norms of the “special relationship,” Washington has issued the obligatory condemnation of the Hezballa and cited the responsibility of the Syrians and the Iranians. At the same time, Washington has made every effort to ignore the humanitarian crisis in Gaza. It is still not clear how the U.S. and Bush are involved in Israel’s recent escapades. Bush is, of course, up to his neck in Iraq. Though we must countenance the possibility that there are some forces in Washington which might be playing with a monstrous scheme for a wider conflagration in the entire Middle East, it is too early to see the recent Israeli adventures as a prelude to a wider aggression and hard to believe that Washington is ready for all out confrontation with Iran and Syria.

Meanwhile, with Israel choking Lebanon and starving Gaza, it will be more and more difficult for (even) Bush to justify all this under the cynical caption of “Israel has the right to defend itself.” After all, Lebanon, now being pulverized by IDF bombs, was supposed to be the U.S.star pupil in democratic transformation.

Israel has made its move: it demands that the world recognize its right to a deluxe, resistance free occupation or it will go to war. The international community will have to take a stand on this issue, sooner rather than later. At the heart of this crisis: the refusal of the international community to fulfill its duty to establish a just peace based on the creation of an independent, viable Palestinian state. History will not bypass this requirement.
--

insightful +1

[vmarks]

Israel is helping Lebanon.

Lebanon has a snake within its midst. HizbAllah is not operating in the interests of Lebanon, but rather in the interests of Syria and Iran.

Israel is committed to the creation of a Palestinian state, and created a de facto Palestinian state in Gaza. Kadima, the majority party in Israel is committed as a part of its founding, to the creation of a Palestinian state.

The shame of the Palestinian Authority is that they love the word 'occupation' and can't seem to be bothered to act like a responsible state. They have a border with Egypt. They have security forces. They have land and people to govern. And yet, crying 'occupation' and doing nothing productive is much easier than the hard task of building a state.

How very convenient that the author of the piece Nicko copy-pasted sits in Jerusalem, while his countrymen have been bombed daily in Sderot for over a year. How convenient that his countrymen in Qiryat Shmona have been bombed regularly for years, while he sits unharmed.

The last bombing in Jerusalem has been months now. And it didn't effect him, so it must be someone else's problem.

Has international interference helped so far? The only international interference is the continued coddling of HizbAllah and the Palestinian authority.

Have negotiations been productive so far? No? Then perhaps the time has come to try it as the Israeli government are now doing.

Reuven Kaminar is not a peace advocate. He is a surrender advocate. He doesn't really fathom that surrender means giving up on Israel as a state and going off to die, in accordance with Hamas and HizbAllah's charter.

Insightful? No. Willfully ignorant? Yes.

[Nicko]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Israel is helping Lebanon.
..snipped...

Insightful? No. Willfully ignorant? Yes.

I wholly agree with you that the international community as a whole is (seemingly at the moment) doing nothing constructive. I have no doubt that if Lebanon had the firepower Israel possesses, there would be a full scale war raging right about now.

However, the way Israel is using collective punishment against Lebanon is inexcusable and irrational, considering it has never worked in the past. For the United States to allow Israel to act as they are is perhaps more than anything an indication of the extent they are bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan. One word from Bush could stop Israel in its tracks.

So what is left?

Israel using excessive and collective punishment against Lebanon is threatening to further involve Syria and Iran... which will lead to more missile attacks on Israel.

Lebanon for its part seems unable to control what is going on in the southern part of their country. -- as more of their infrastructure is destroyed, positions will become further polarized. Could it lead to civil war in Lebanon? At the moment that does not seem likely, but just as the Israeli public is pulling together and rallying around their military, the same will likely happen in Lebanon (atleast in the short term).

IMO if the UN were really capable of doing something they would force a ceasefire and put a few thousand troops on the ground, but that’s never going to happen either!

The only power that has any influence to calm the situation then is the US, which is still as of today, keeping a very low profile. (I guess Bush and Putin are still too busy pretending there is still a cold war by throwing veiled insults at each other at the G8 )
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This is no longer about a couple of kidnapped soldiers.

Heh, this reminds me of how WWI started with one assassination.

[Cody Dawg]

Israel has made its move: it demands that the world recognize its right to a deluxe, resistance free occupation or it will go to war.

"A resistance free occupation?"

That's what WE enjoy here in the United States...

As does Canada...

As does Australia...

As does Great Britain...

As does Germany...

As does Japan...

As does New Zealand...

As does Iceland...

As does Sweden...

As does Finland...

As does Denmark...

And the list goes on and on...

Why cannot Israel also enjoy unfettered peace as the majority of the rest of the world does?

THEY SHOULD...

ISRAEL DESERVES THE SAME AND SHAME ON THOSE WHO PRESUME THAT ISRAEL DOES NOT DESERVE THE SAME PEACE WITHIN ITS BOUNDARIES.

[vmarks]

You are correct that this is no longer about a few kidnapped soldiers.

You are likewise correct about the international community doing little.

UN resolution 1559 requires HizbAllah to be disarmed. Lebanon didn't make an effort to comply with that. Perhaps Syria's pet HizbAllah is too strong for Lebanon to do it alone.

Israel is helping.

Israel is not engaging in 'collective punishment' nonsense. Israel is blocking routes out of country to Syria to prevent its soldiers from being taken out of country. Israel is hitting HizbAllah office and homes. HizbAllah are not the friends of the Lebanese people.



Here's what Amir Peretz, Israeli Defense Minister said 40 minutes ago.

"there is no intention of ending the campaign without the reality changing in Lebanon."

"The moral code of the Israeli nation do not allow us to harm civilians. With that, the IDF will operate through all means at its disposal against every center of rocket fire to end the operation against the citizens of Israel," he added.


Defense minister in press conference (Photo: Niv Calderon)

“Hizbullah is very surprised,” he said. “We had the audacity to strike Hizbullah’s most sensitive center. They are surprised by the resilience of the home front; they are surprised because they do not hear the Israeli public panicking and calling on its government to call off the operation (In Lebanon.) On the contrary, Hizbullah sees before it a united country and it is vital that this resilience continues, because it will determine the outcome of the entire war.”

"We plan to act in accordance with the message we will get from the Israeli public. If the war has started – finish it in a way that would change the reality. I plan to do my best to see that reality changes and that the Israeli home front no longer has to face such provocative threats," the defense minister stated.

"The city of Haifa sustained a serious blow," Peretz said, referring to Sunday morning's events. "The town is licking its wounds. Eights workers who came to do their job, innocent people, injured who are now fighting for their lives – this is a terrible blow."

"I want to turn to the people of Haifa and tell them that the war in the northern front is not only against Hizbullah. Hamas is testing our resilience, as do the organizations in the West Bank… I am proud of the residents of the north and of the expressions of solidarity here. This determination will help us win this battle. This will decide Israel's future," Peretz declared.

"We do not plan to end this war before reality is transformed," the minister vowed. "We will change the situation as I have stated – the terrorists will no longer be sitting on Israel's northern border. They will not be allowed to continue to purchase arms and missiles. We will no longer turn a blind eye to the axis of evil and terror," Peretz stated.

Commenting on the Lebanese government, he said: "Sovereignty means responsibility. Those unable to rein in operations that take place inside their territory should not blame Israel for its actions."

[Cody Dawg]

Great post, vmarks.

The fact is that if the United States were attacked by Mexico or Australia was attacked by New Guinea either (or any) country would respond by attacking the country where the attacks originated from - especially if said country was unable or unwilling to stop the attacks from occurring.

It's why the United States took the war to the Middle East: To stop the terrorists on their own lands.

Speaking of which, isn't it amazing that all the terrorists come from the Middle East? They don't come from Germany or Denmark or Scotland or Italy...they come from the Middle East or Middle Eastern countries.



Lastly, people in the United States tend to be too myopic because United States citizens enjoy a quality of life that is one of the best (I think THE best) in the world. We don't worry about being blown up at a cafe or a restaurant or on a city bus.

It is simply unimagineable to most Americans what life is REALLY like in Israel.

Israel is a country fighting for survival - literally. Once you truly begin to comprehand the fact that your country could cease to exist if all the countries around you had their way then you would understand why Israel is guarded and hostile and on the offensive.

[Kerrigan]

A few good quotes from a recent interview with Newt Gingrich:

(Newt Gingrich) lists wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, this week's bomb attacks in India, North Korean nuclear threats, terrorist arrests and investigations in Florida, Canada and Britain, and violence in Israel and Lebanon as evidence of World War III. He said Bush needs to deliver a speech to Congress and "connect all the dots" for Americans.

"Israel wouldn't leave southern Lebanon as long as there was a single missile there. I would go in and clean them all out and I would announce that any Iranian airplane trying to bring missiles to re-supply them would be shot down. This idea that we have this one-sided war where the other team gets to plan how to kill us and we get to talk, is nuts."

Gingrich said that public opinion can change "the minute you use the language" of World War III. The message then, he said, is "'OK, if we're in the third world war, which side do you think should win?"

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Cody Dawg

Great post, vmarks.

The fact is that if the United States were attacked by Mexico or Australia was attacked by New Guinea either (or any) country would respond by attacking the country where the attacks originated from - especially if said country was unable or unwilling to stop the attacks from occurring.

It's why the United States took the war to the Middle East: To stop the terrorists on their own lands.

Speaking of which, isn't it amazing that all the terrorists come from the Middle East? They don't come from Germany or Denmark or Scotland or Italy...they come from the Middle East or Middle Eastern countries.



Lastly, people in the United States tend to be too myopic because United States citizens enjoy a quality of life that is one of the best (I think THE best) in the world. We don't worry about being blown up at a cafe or a restaurant or on a city bus.

It is simply unimagineable to most Americans what life is REALLY like in Israel.

Israel is a country fighting for survival - literally. Once you truly begin to comprehand the fact that your country could cease to exist if all the countries around you had their way then you would understand why Israel is guarded and hostile and on the offensive.

The country shouldn't be there its what 60 years old. It was a mistake and its time to fix the mistake. Find another place for the country called Israel and end this madness.

PS the fact is, if a couple US solders where kidnapped by some group operating in Canada, they wouldn't start bombing Canada, they would work with the authorities to find them.

[DSulaiman]

Israel is besieging Lebanon, perpetrating massacres and destroying its bridges in order to divide it to pressure Lebanon into negotiating other issues, not only the exchange of prisoners and the disarmament of Hezbollah. But this will only further complicate the situation beyond the expectations of Washington and Tel Aviv.
Bombing bridges in Lebanon destroys the 'bridges' of negotiations with its government and leaders, negotiations which the US and Israel say are necessary - unless they mean to negotiate with Damascus and Tehran.
Israel is using the kidnapping as an excuse to destroy Lebanon, the only true democracy in the region. Israel wants to prove to the rest of the world that a multi racial, multi religious society cannot exist in the Middle East, but Lebanon has always proven Israel wrong. It is about time that the civilized world community understand Israeli intensions and stop this blatant aggression against the civilians of Lebanon.
It is about time for the civilized world community to tell Israel, "enough is enough". This state terrorism by Israel will only create more hatred as mothers lose sons and daughters, and brothers and sisters lose their loved ones. If Israel wants peace, its actions in Lebanon send the wrong message to this and future generation of Lebanese.

[Kerrigan]

Athens, using that same logic, would you condone deporting all Muslims out of Europe? They 'shouldn't be there' because they're blowing up trains and stoking violence, so maybe they should be deported back to where they came from?

Also, do you realize that the entire southern region of Lebanon is controlled by Hezbollah? They run schools, radical mosques, and they import tens of thousands of rockets and other weaponry from Iran, from whom they take their marching orders. Lebanon can not kick them out.

If there were such a situation going on in Canada, then yes, that region of Canada would have to be attacked in order to remove the terrorist threat. But such a thing is highly unlikely and so your analogy is flawed.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Athens, using that same logic, would you condone deporting all Muslims out of Europe? They 'shouldn't be there' because they're blowing up trains and stoking violence, so maybe they should be deported back to where they came from?

Im sorry I don't think I understand you. Are you trying to say (using my logic) that some world agency took land from people in Europe and freely gave it to these muslims that you said should be deported? I dont recall the UN taking any chunks of land from France to give to any muslims. I do think the muslims in Europe moved there freely and purchased or bought with in the legal systems of those establish countries there right to be there. Israel was put there, and the people that had lived there told to piss off this is not yours any more. Thats the problem.

Also, do you realize that the entire southern region of Lebanon is controlled by Hezbollah? They run schools, radical mosques, and they import tens of thousands of rockets and other weaponry from Iran, from whom they take their marching orders. Lebanon can not kick them out.

Yes I do and I also know that the government is fragile and trying to hold on and gain more control in the south, blowing up everything only hurts the government and makes it that much harder for them to. If anything the outcome of this is going to create a larger more powerful Hezbollah.

If there were such a situation going on in Canada, then yes, that region of Canada would have to be attacked in order to remove the terrorist threat. But such a thing is highly unlikely and so your analogy is flawed.

Canada has a stronge government in full control. Our only case of a terrorist group, the FLQ was obliterated before they had a chance to gain any power. Its not easy for a weak government to do this and by making them weaker, how does this help?

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by DSulaiman

Israel is besieging Lebanon, perpetrating massacres and destroying its bridges in order to divide it to pressure Lebanon into negotiating other issues, not only the exchange of prisoners and the disarmament of Hezbollah. But this will only further complicate the situation beyond the expectations of Washington and Tel Aviv.

False.

Israel is bombing bridges only to stop HizbAllah from using exits out of the country to take Israel's soldiers to Syria.

Israel has no discussions over prisoner exchange with HizbAllah at this time. Those demands are the demands of Hamas. Please try and keep the two separate.

Bombing bridges in Lebanon destroys the 'bridges' of negotiations with its government and leaders, negotiations which the US and Israel say are necessary - unless they mean to negotiate with Damascus and Tehran.

False. The lines of communication with the Lebanese PM are open. Israel and Lebanon are passing messages via Italy. Let's not pretend otherwise. How else could Lebanon propose a cease-fire and Israel counter with its conditions for leaving? That, my friend, is negotiation.

Israel is using the kidnapping as an excuse to destroy Lebanon, the only true democracy in the region. Israel wants to prove to the rest of the world that a multi racial, multi religious society cannot exist in the Middle East, but Lebanon has always proven Israel wrong. It is about time that the civilized world community understand Israeli intensions and stop this blatant aggression against the civilians of Lebanon.

False.

Israel has no intention of destroying Lebanon.

Israel is a multi-racial, multi-religious democracy. It exists in the Middle East.


Looks multi-racial to me. Israel has Druze that serve in the army. It has arab Muslims who serve in the knesset, the highest body of government in Israel. They are democratically elected to office.

It is about time for the civilized world community to tell Israel, "enough is enough". This state terrorism by Israel will only create more hatred as mothers lose sons and daughters, and brothers and sisters lose their loved ones. If Israel wants peace, its actions in Lebanon send the wrong message to this and future generation of Lebanese.

It is a shame you believe these things to be true. The enemy of peace is HizbAllah. They are a brother to your face, but a snake behind your back.

[Kerrigan]

The Lebanese government will always be weak when it is run by terrorists. Just look at the Palestinian 'state', its in utter shambles because rather than furthering its own civic interests, it constantly provokes war and claims suzerainty over Israel.

I sympathise heavily with the Lebanese, but this painful act must be done. Why should Hezbollah be allowed to plot to kill Israelis, and Israelis are not allowed to fight back?

[Sky Captain]

Canada qould never allow a terrorist organization to openly operate within it's borders, much less fund one and have it as part of their parliment.
The Canadian people would never elect a geoup called "Party of God".

But apparently the Islamic people are drawn in by their hateful rhetoric enough to elect them.
Completing the cycle of violence.


Hez-BLOW-allah





__________________________________________________ _______
All Islam can burn in hell

[Kerrigan]

I wouldn't take Athens seriously at all now, since his sig suggests that a nuclear holocaust for Israel is the 'solution'.

This type of reasoning is what provokes the violence to begin with.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Canada qould never allow a terrorist organization to openly operate within it's borders, much less fund one and have it as part of their parliment.
The Canadian people would never elect a geoup called "Party of God".

But apparently the Islamic people are drawn in by their hateful rhetoric enough to elect them.
Completing the cycle of violence.


Hez-BLOW-allah





__________________________________________________ _______
All Islam can burn in hell

Um you dont know much of the history of Canada then. The FLQ had members in parliment before they turned to terrorists and yes the people in Quebec did elect them. They just never had a chance to become strong. And look at the largest party in Quebec, the only thing keeping them from being a terrorist group is acts of terror. Just wait and see what happens if Quebec ever votes to seperate and the feds say not a chance.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

I wouldn't take Athens seriously at all now, since his sig suggests that a nuclear holocaust for Israel is the 'solution'.

This type of reasoning is what provokes the violence to begin with.

Ya well im a little ticked Israel killed 8 Canadians today.

[vmarks]

I think there's little difference between Athens' signature recommending the nuclear destruction of Israel and Mark Larr's belief that Lebanon should be made a crater, or Sky Captain's signature recommending that all Islam can burn in hell. Of the three, Sky Captain's is the one that doesn't literally mean the death of millions.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by DSulaiman

It is about time for the civilized world community to tell Israel, "enough is enough".

Wrong, dude. It's time for the world to develop an alternative energy source and tell the whole region to Suhuhuuuhuuuhuuuuuuck it. Seriously, sit everyone down, tell them:

a. all your religious beliefs are retarded
b. biologically you're all pretty much the same
c. all your sacredyetdisputed lands will be converted to shopping outlets
d. breasts are a wonderful gift from god and they shouldn't be hidden from the world
e. killing people and blowing **** up is wrong, k?

If everyone can't deal with these conditions then we open wholesale weapon markets on every street corner and let the fun begin. Seriously, Iraq is a quagmire? Fuuuuuck, the whole damn region is.

My opinion? Israel sucks for what they're doing. All the other regional players suck MORE because they're pussies and fight proxy wars with dishonest dipshit religious nutball pawns. How can any one sit down and discuss peace while every side has done NOTHING but decieve, lie, murder, maim and at the same time point at the other with a guiltless expression...

"Look at what they made me do"

[Athens]

Originally Posted by vmarks

I think there's little difference between Athens' signature recommending the nuclear destruction of Israel and Mark Larr's belief that Lebanon should be made a crater, or Sky Captain's signature recommending that all Islam can burn in hell. Of the three, Sky Captain's is the one that doesn't literally mean the death of millions.

Its symbolic, not litteral, its hard to find a picture that represents Israel not being there. Dont read so deep into it. Im not saying it should be nuked, it just should be relocated to a place that invits them.

[Kerrigan]

Originally Posted by Athens

Ya well im a little ticked Israel killed 8 Canadians today.

Isn't a nuclear holocaust what liberals would call "disproportionate'?

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Kerrigan

Isn't a nuclear holocaust what liberals would call "disproportionate'?

Read above, I already answered the sig. Its not to be taking litteral.

[yakkiebah]

Originally Posted by Athens

Its symbolic, not litteral, its hard to find a picture that represents Israel not being there. Dont read so deep into it. Im not saying it should be nuked, it just should be relocated to a place that invits them.

Israel should be relocated! Hahaha! Athens, is this you?

[Sky Captain]

Originally Posted by Athens

Its symbolic, not litteral, its hard to find a picture that represents Israel not being there. Dont read so deep into it. Im not saying it should be nuked, it just should be relocated to a place that invits them.

Like where?
A place where there's a lot of Jews?
Where the citizens of that country aren't trying to exterminate them.


Well I can think of a few places but they're devoid of Jews.
Anartica perhaps?
Nebraska?


Kinda like BOTH of our countries did with the natives?

[Kerrigan]

Athens, no offense dude but your 'explanation' of your sig is kinda weak. What is more literal than 'Israel + (Nuclear explosion) = Solution' ??? It doesn't get any clearer than that.

I never took you for the extremist type.

[vmarks]

Athens,

Those dual-citizenship Lebanese Canadiens were just as guilty as the many Americans that Hamas, HizbAllah, Fatah, and others have killed in Israel in the past. That is to say, not at all, but instead, victims of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Israel gives more warning by leafletting first, and bombing targets, not indiscriminately. HizbAllah? no warnings. bombs wherever they fall in a city center.

You can be annoyed.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by yakkiebah

Israel should be relocated! Hahaha! Athens, is this you?

Ya Israel should be relocated, to a place they are invited to. The current modern state of Israel was put there by very stupid people. They should have known that kicking people off there land and ploping down a country in the head of a region that would never accept them was a bad idea.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by Sky Captain

Like where?
A place where there's a lot of Jews?
Where the citizens of that country aren't trying to exterminate them.


Well I can think of a few places but they're devoid of Jews.
Anartica perhaps?
Nebraska?


Kinda like BOTH of our countries did with the natives?

I think this has less to do with them being Jews and more to do with the state being placed in the heart of a region that was all muslim.

[Sky Captain]

That's the most bigoted thing I've heard yet.

Reminds me of America's Liberia experiment.
And the "Back to Africa" movement.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by vmarks

Athens,

Those dual-citizenship Lebanese Canadiens were just as guilty as the many Americans that Hamas, HizbAllah, Fatah, and others have killed in Israel in the past. That is to say, not at all, but instead, victims of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Israel gives more warning by leafletting first, and bombing targets, not indiscriminately. HizbAllah? no warnings. bombs wherever they fall in a city center.

You can be annoyed.

so you are ok with blowing up apartment buildings? Those Canadians killed where visiting family for the summer. I doubt they have any part in the attacks on Israel. But if anything I do understand Israels rage, because I find myself pissed because of the death of nationals there. National pride blinds.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Athens

so you are ok with blowing up apartment buildings? Those Canadians killed where visiting family for the summer. I doubt they have any part in the attacks on Israel. But if anything I do understand Israels rage, because I find myself pissed because of the death of nationals there. National pride blinds.

The Lebanese government put those people in harms way, by giving a carte blanche to terrorists.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by PacHead

The Lebanese government put those people in harms way, by giving a carte blanche to terrorists.

Weak government, its called doing what you can with what you have. A government has to win the support of its people to stay a government. If it does to much to fast and creates less support it falls. Its a uphill battle to win people who are brain washed, or see the terrorist groups as heros. It takes time to do that.

[vmarks]

Originally Posted by Athens

Ya Israel should be relocated, to a place they are invited to. The current modern state of Israel was put there by very stupid people. They should have known that kicking people off there land and ploping down a country in the head of a region that would never accept them was a bad idea.

And what of the Jews who lived there for centuries? for millenia?

The original plan was for Israel to sit where the Jewish communities were. Those communities were where Jews had always lived, or had bought land. The Jews wanted a two-state solution.
And since that time, the Jews have repeatedly offered to live with a two-state solution.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Athens

It takes time to do that.

Too bad, they don't have the luxury of time. Nobody is going to wait around for a violent society to become peaceful while they strike out at their neighbors, the reasonable solution is to destroy that violent society.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by vmarks

And what of the Jews who lived there for centuries? for millenia?

The original plan was for Israel to sit where the Jewish communities were. Those communities were where Jews had always lived, or had bought land. The Jews wanted a two-state solution.
And since that time, the Jews have repeatedly offered to live with a two-state solution.

Then it should have been negotiated not forced even if it took a hundred years to do it. What about the natives in North America, do you see any chance of Canada and the US being carved out into a 2 state solution to appease natives wrongly kicked off there land?

[Athens]

Originally Posted by PacHead

Too bad, they don't have the luxury of time. Nobody is going to wait around for a violent society to become peaceful while they strike out at their neighbors, the reasonable solution is to destroy that violent society.

Violence creates more violence.

[PacHead]

Originally Posted by Athens

Violence creates more violence.

Violence ends wars. The terrorists will lose, how badly they will lose, is mostly their decision.

[Nicko]

Actually after thinking about it, Israel should just go ahead and occupy all of Lebanon. If the UN or US won't step in then why not? It would be kinda like the US occupying Iraq.

[pooka]

Originally Posted by Nicko

Actually after thinking about it, Israel should just go ahead and occupy all of Lebanon. If the UN or US won't step in then why not? It would be kinda like the US occupying Iraq.

Yeah, they could install a puppet regime while they're at it. Just like Syria and Iran have.

[Athens]

Originally Posted by PacHead

Violence ends wars. The terrorists will lose, how badly they will lose, is mostly their decision.

No the counrties the terrorists are in will lose, the terrorists themselves have nothing to lose which is the problem.